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Legal Assistant
Posted - 2011.02.27 01:45:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Legal Assistant on 27/02/2011 01:48:07
Originally by: Doggsbody
Even worse that they're now manipulating the playerbase into voting them in to positions where they can control CCP policy to suit their own self-preservation.


Historic precedent suggests there are few grounds for concern about the CSM's ability to control CCP policy, even if every seat was occupied by equally obnoxious clones of The Mittani. It's apparently hard enough just to get a few tweaks to game mechanics, let alone affect policy.

4C 4F 5645
Rogue Drone Systems
Posted - 2011.02.27 02:16:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: 4C 4F 5645 on 27/02/2011 02:21:55
Originally by: Doggsbody
Even worse that they're now manipulating the playerbase into voting them in to positions where they can control CCP policy to suit their own self-preservation.



Nah, they won't control CCP policy, even they are not naive enough to think CCP are blind to their manipulation and would listen to a one-sided CSM.
They panicked because CSM5 managed to get CCP to pay attention and they just want to undo that work and sink CSM back into the irrelevancy of previous years so it can be ignored again.

Rhes
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 02:25:00 - [33]
 

Vile Rat once banned me from the Deklein intel channel and I'm still going to vote for him.

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 10:27:00 - [34]
 

Vile Rat, your hypocrisy is amazing, it is up to players if they wish to end bloc warfare, CCP doesnt force you to NAP so explain wtf you are talking about here.

Quote:
Like many of you I am concerned about massive bloc warfare silencing any other activities


When goons / NC have made it their mission to control all of 0.0, nothing is forcing you to reset instead you encourage more NAPs, it has been leaked already what your CSM mission is, to control all seats so it is easier to make ISK and RMT in 0.0 and prevent PvP.

Saying that no doubt your blind monkey will vote for you, just because you snap your fingers, lucky for players CCP doesnt listen to CSM and accept that you WILL GET your jump bridges removed!

clbo
Posted - 2011.02.27 11:00:00 - [35]
 

Vile rat best rat. Please fix my eve.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 13:07:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Vile Rat, your hypocrisy is amazing, it is up to players if they wish to end bloc warfare, CCP doesnt force you to NAP so explain wtf you are talking about here.

Quote:
Like many of you I am concerned about massive bloc warfare silencing any other activities


When goons / NC have made it their mission to control all of 0.0, nothing is forcing you to reset instead you encourage more NAPs, it has been leaked already what your CSM mission is, to control all seats so it is easier to make ISK and RMT in 0.0 and prevent PvP.

Saying that no doubt your blind monkey will vote for you, just because you snap your fingers, lucky for players CCP doesnt listen to CSM and accept that you WILL GET your jump bridges removed!


You're so full of **** that it's coming out of your ears.

Lorna Sicling
Caldari
Helix Pulse
Posted - 2011.02.27 15:53:00 - [37]
 

In the interest of balance within the CSM and to ensure that all views are fairly represented on the CSM, I think it's good that you're running and wish you the best for your campaign.

I will certainly not agree with all of your ideas, but then for me that's the point of having a mixed CSM and not just one powerblock of say hi-sec, or 0.0 people.

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 16:57:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Vile Rat, your hypocrisy is amazing, it is up to players if they wish to end bloc warfare, CCP doesnt force you to NAP so explain wtf you are talking about here.

Quote:
Like many of you I am concerned about massive bloc warfare silencing any other activities


When goons / NC have made it their mission to control all of 0.0, nothing is forcing you to reset instead you encourage more NAPs, it has been leaked already what your CSM mission is, to control all seats so it is easier to make ISK and RMT in 0.0 and prevent PvP.

Saying that no doubt your blind monkey will vote for you, just because you snap your fingers, lucky for players CCP doesnt listen to CSM and accept that you WILL GET your jump bridges removed!


Just so you know, the average goon hates that we're blue with everyone that's anywhere near us. From what I hear spoken of from people who understand the game a lot better than I do, the presence of the existing number of Super-Capital ships in certain alliances makes it pretty much suicidal for the alliances that are already blue to them to reset them.

Hratli Smirks
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 17:37:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Two Shots

Just so you know, the average goon hates that we're blue with everyone that's anywhere near us.



I don't hate anything but supercapitals

and I love jump bridges

hey Vile Rat I'll vote for you buddy

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 17:53:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Hratli Smirks
Originally by: Two Shots

Just so you know, the average goon hates that we're blue with everyone that's anywhere near us.



I don't hate anything but supercapitals

and I love jump bridges

hey Vile Rat I'll vote for you buddy

You are not the average goon.
You are H. Ratli Smriks, bona fide good poster.
Can you confirm that a vote for Vile Rat is a vote for good posts?

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:04:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Two Shots
Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Vile Rat, your hypocrisy is amazing, it is up to players if they wish to end bloc warfare, CCP doesnt force you to NAP so explain wtf you are talking about here.

Quote:
Like many of you I am concerned about massive bloc warfare silencing any other activities


When goons / NC have made it their mission to control all of 0.0, nothing is forcing you to reset instead you encourage more NAPs, it has been leaked already what your CSM mission is, to control all seats so it is easier to make ISK and RMT in 0.0 and prevent PvP.

Saying that no doubt your blind monkey will vote for you, just because you snap your fingers, lucky for players CCP doesnt listen to CSM and accept that you WILL GET your jump bridges removed!


Just so you know, the average goon hates that we're blue with everyone that's anywhere near us. From what I hear spoken of from people who understand the game a lot better than I do, the presence of the existing number of Super-Capital ships in certain alliances makes it pretty much suicidal for the alliances that are already blue to them to reset them.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, if this were the case then Goons alone would have reset NC back in 2009 instead kept them blue because “Bob might come back” wtf, as long as theres no risk involved in NAPing half of eden everyone will do it.

Dont get me wrong I know DRF and IT did it too but I find it funny how Vile Rat says he will fix it considering every previous CSM from NC has said the same thing and ONLY promoted it.

The whole purpose of removing Jump Bridges was so conflicts could arise locally and it would be difficult for a few active directors in a powerbloc to hold so much space, thats why your leaders and every other NC leader is angry at the suggested change because in effect it makes NAPs pointless due to travelling and maintenance of space without ease.

Oh and only because someone will say it.

Yes 0.0 was dead before jump bridges but its also dying now, the population has been going down and down as bots and supercaps goes up, jump bridges didnt make 0.0 even remotely more habitable, 0.0 has been growing at a steady rate until dominion and then started to go down.

Logistics wont be harder for smaller alliances, what will be hard is getting a mega blob from A - B AND being able to suck up all that moon goo, CCP mentioned this already.

As a result people will start focusing on fighting people 5 - 10 jumps away instead of 50 jumps away.

Then maybe Goons can actually go back to their roots.

But thats besides the point, NC want to control all seats either directly or indirectly and considering some of the stuff the NC CSM candidates have said it makes you wonder if they even play eve at all.

Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 18:34:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Two Shots on 27/02/2011 18:35:51
edit: because I cannot wait 2 minutes to add more words!


I don't think you understood my post.

I said that the average goon dislikes that we're blue to everyone. The average goon does not make alliance-level decisions.

If the average goon made alliance-level decisions, then we would all be flying free Dramiels until the alliance wallet ran dry.

... Wait a second! Idea

Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:44:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Two Shots
Edited by: Two Shots on 27/02/2011 18:35:51
edit: because I cannot wait 2 minutes to add more words!


I don't think you understood my post.

I said that the average goon dislikes that we're blue to everyone. The average goon does not make alliance-level decisions.

If the average goon made alliance-level decisions, then we would all be flying free Dramiels until the alliance wallet ran dry.

... Wait a second! Idea


I do think it is bad people are being stereotyped based on which alliance they are in but lets face it, you are who your friends are or should I say best friends are. Wink

Zelda Wei
Caldari
New Horizon Trade Exchange
Posted - 2011.02.27 19:59:00 - [44]
 


Two Shots
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 20:35:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
Originally by: Two Shots
Edited by: Two Shots on 27/02/2011 18:35:51
edit: because I cannot wait 2 minutes to add more words!


I don't think you understood my post.

I said that the average goon dislikes that we're blue to everyone. The average goon does not make alliance-level decisions.

If the average goon made alliance-level decisions, then we would all be flying free Dramiels until the alliance wallet ran dry.

... Wait a second! Idea


I do think it is bad people are being stereotyped based on which alliance they are in but lets face it, you are who your friends are or should I say best friends are. Wink

My best friend doesn't play MMO games because they are a waste of time. Confused

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 21:31:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
I don't know how modern force projection works.


You're aware at the beginning of the Fountain campaign, we would regularly fly 20-30 jumps to the Titan system, and then bridge the last few jumps (usually on top of the objective or near a POS)?

Jump Bridges are used for the common joe in alliances, hardly for force projection. You'd just be making the day to day in 0.0 a lot ****tier.

Also, the reason many hate jump bridges is due to looking at the NC's jump bridge set-up, which I can agree is hilariously convoluted.

Is this a problem with jump bridges? Nope. It's a problem stemming from Technetium, which everyone can agree needs a nerf.

Seriously, **** technetium.

Naynomi
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:06:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: EnderCapitalG
Originally by: Disgruntled Flying Monkey
I don't know how modern force projection works.


You're aware at the beginning of the Fountain campaign, we would regularly fly 20-30 jumps to the Titan system, and then bridge the last few jumps (usually on top of the objective or near a POS)?

Jump Bridges are used for the common joe in alliances, hardly for force projection. You'd just be making the day to day in 0.0 a lot ****tier.

Also, the reason many hate jump bridges is due to looking at the NC's jump bridge set-up, which I can agree is hilariously convoluted.

Is this a problem with jump bridges? Nope. It's a problem stemming from Technetium, which everyone can agree needs a nerf.

Seriously, **** technetium.


Obviously Titan bridges need a nerf, too. Rolling Eyes

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.27 22:06:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: EnderCapitalG on 27/02/2011 22:16:54
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Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 13:30:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Hratli Smirks
Originally by: Two Shots

Just so you know, the average goon hates that we're blue with everyone that's anywhere near us.



I don't hate anything but supercapitals

and I love jump bridges

hey Vile Rat I'll vote for you buddy


I do have a strong opinion about supercapitals. I think they should all die. Supercaps cause so many balance issues for this game and I feel they make people feel they have to bot/rmt in order to even compete. This isn't to say that people wouldn't do this otherwise, but I do feel that people are more likely to seek illgal isk generation mechanisms because they feel they have no other realistic avenue to compete in the eve endgame which has taken an unfortunate shift towards supercap heavy fleets in the past year and a half.

Quote:
Disgruntled Flying Monkey saying a bunch of stuff that shows he clearly hasn't read my platform


DFM if you read my platform you'd see I largely am pointed in the same direction as you. You seem to think that we're happy with the state of 0.0 and want to somehow sneak in and cause it to continue the way it is, we're not. I'd actually welcome your ideas on the subject if you'd like to have a serious talk about it however if you're just here to throw stones let me know and I won't bother :)

Eldaec
Posted - 2011.02.28 21:36:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Naynomi

Obviously Titan bridges need a nerf, too. Rolling Eyes


While they clearly don't, if you wanted to make fleet combat less common and make high end logistics harder, this would be the way to do it.

Jump bridge nerfs will only impact member level activity inside alliances, and make 0.0 activity less practical without a blob.

If only we had a some kind of council that could make this startlingly obvious point to CCP... oh wait.

RuckaLucka Ali
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.28 23:20:00 - [51]
 

To the idiots saying were trying to have deklein and NC control the csm are idiots, were trying to get all 0.0 alliances in on this even PL and IT were contacted to get CSM rep's.

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:09:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Eldaec
Originally by: Naynomi

Obviously Titan bridges need a nerf, too. Rolling Eyes


While they clearly don't, if you wanted to make fleet combat less common and make high end logistics harder, this would be the way to do it.

Jump bridge nerfs will only impact member level activity inside alliances, and make 0.0 activity less practical without a blob.

If only we had a some kind of council that could make this startlingly obvious point to CCP... oh wait.


I think a lot of the people who say things like "get rid of jump bridges" don't necessarily want movement to be tedious and boring (hey let's go 30 jumps to do anything), they are really saying "let's expose movement to attack so we can increase pvp instead of having easy mechanisms used to avoid it".

I don't think it's necessary to go back in time back to the days where movement was irritating in order to accomplish this however.



Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:36:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Why is Kalrand not allowed to post about his CSM campaign on the goonforum or tell other goons about it?
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?
Dont you think that your hate for free speech makes you a bad CSM candidate?

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:45:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 15:47:38
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Why is Kalrand not allowed to post about his CSM campaign on the goonforum or tell other goons about it?
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?
Dont you think that your hate for free speech makes you a bad CSM candidate?
Kalrand already has my not vote.

Edit: Where is this argument you're basing this on that he's not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM?

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 15:59:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Vile rat on 01/03/2011 15:59:12
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?



Thanks for the free bump!

While I wish I could run on a platform of improving the quality of posting here on Eve-o some goals are beyond achievement.

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:11:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 15:47:38
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Why is Kalrand not allowed to post about his CSM campaign on the goonforum or tell other goons about it?
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?
Dont you think that your hate for free speech makes you a bad CSM candidate?
Kalrand already has my not vote.

Edit: Where is this argument you're basing this on that he's not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM?


You should read my post again.

Karadion
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:14:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 15:47:38
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Why is Kalrand not allowed to post about his CSM campaign on the goonforum or tell other goons about it?
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?
Dont you think that your hate for free speech makes you a bad CSM candidate?
Kalrand already has my not vote.

Edit: Where is this argument you're basing this on that he's not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM?


You should read my post again.
And you're wrong :)

Sullivar N
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:16:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
While I wish I could run on a platform of improving the quality of posting here on Eve-o some goals are beyond achievement.

Also that platform has been taken

Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:20:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Sullivar N
Originally by: Vile rat
While I wish I could run on a platform of improving the quality of posting here on Eve-o some goals are beyond achievement.

Also that platform has been taken


T&B is a funny guy and a good poster.

Zati Pasirga
Posted - 2011.03.01 16:35:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Karadion
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Originally by: Karadion
Edited by: Karadion on 01/03/2011 15:47:38
Originally by: Zati Pasirga
Edited by: Zati Pasirga on 01/03/2011 15:36:15
Why is Kalrand not allowed to post about his CSM campaign on the goonforum or tell other goons about it?
Do Mittani and you hate free speech and democrazy that much?
Dont you think that your hate for free speech makes you a bad CSM candidate?
Kalrand already has my not vote.

Edit: Where is this argument you're basing this on that he's not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM?


You should read my post again.
And you're wrong :)

Then quote the part where i wrote that he is not allowed to run as a candidate for CSM please.

@Vile Rat
Do you think your popularity in goonswarm is so low that you fear competing with Kalrand in the goonforum?
Will you tell The Mittani to consider allowing Kalrand to post there about his CSM run or will The Mittani and you continue to behave like Gaddafi and his bootlicker?
You should fight for free speech to show that you are a worthy CSM candidate!


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