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Aineko Macx
Posted - 2011.03.10 20:03:00 - [391]
 

lol I was more likely to vote for you before your campaign.
You lost when you set out to smear everyone else instead of showing why you are a better candidate. Protip: Stop being that arrogant little ****. But then again, that might be your true self after all...

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 20:14:00 - [392]
 

Originally by: Aineko Macx
lol I was more likely to vote for you before your campaign.
You lost when you set out to smear everyone else instead of showing why you are a better candidate. Protip: Stop being that arrogant little ****. But then again, that might be your true self after all...


If you abhor arrogance, you were never going to vote for me. Don't bother lying about it. vOv

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.10 21:26:00 - [393]
 

The problem isn't so much Mittens. I actually think he'd be a pretty decent CSM chair (though I think he's totally misunderstood how much 'power' it would give him). It's the fact that he's trying to pad the whole CSM with his cronies, drowning out any independent voices.


Torio Orus
Posted - 2011.03.10 21:46:00 - [394]
 

You've got my voice, hope you'll manage to do something.
Don't pay attention to those trolls.

Lilac Willimar
Posted - 2011.03.10 22:11:00 - [395]
 

What are your thoughts on enhanced roleplaying features being added to the game through Incarna?

Rgarcia
Posted - 2011.03.10 22:32:00 - [396]
 

lol, you think he really cares about incarna? Not a bit. He is guilty of what he accuses everyone else of. It's called hypocrisy.

Trader 0139
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:07:00 - [397]
 

you have my vote.

EnderCapitalG
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:14:00 - [398]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
The problem isn't so much Mittens. I actually think he'd be a pretty decent CSM chair (though I think he's totally misunderstood how much 'power' it would give him). It's the fact that he's trying to pad the whole CSM with his cronies, drowning out any independent voices.




The rest of nullsec is his croniOH WAIT

Sup windy

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 01:02:00 - [399]
 

Originally by: Lilac Willimar
What are your thoughts on enhanced roleplaying features being added to the game through Incarna?


Goons often mock roleplayers in EVE, because they have to do so much goddamned work to roleplay. This is because the ingame client provides essentially no immersion whatsoever, so you might as well be RPing by post on a forum somewhere, yakking about space politics or whatever.

I've actually unironically enjoyed roleplaying in better formats. I used to be a huge oldWorldofDarkness mush addict, and that worked out great because the medium of text on a MUSH is very conducive to RP.

Incarna is a controversial issue in some circles. However it's going to happen. Period. Incarna is the WoD MMO engine alpha. CCP is developing it. You cannot stop it; the CSM cannot stop it. It's foolish to think otherwise.

However, it's also a nuanced issue, because if CCP /didn't/ use the WoD code in EVE, making the games cross-compatible where possible, the development resources CCP is expending on WoD would provide no utility for EVE whatsoever. The EVE playerbase can't prevent the WoD MMO. Nor can the CSM. But through Incarna, EVE can at least see some benefits of the WoD development.

Personally, I think EVE desperately needs immersion. Part of the reason why people point out that I'm the same 'in EVE' as I am 'in real life' is because there's no immersion. I'm watching a ****ty, dated UI and a picture of a spaceship, but in practice I'm zoomed way the **** out anyway because the game lags so badly.

So my 'immersion' is:

1. a UI that is based off an excel spreadsheet
2. a zoomed out bracket [ ] and a bunch of other [ ]'s around me.

You could practically turn EVE into a multiplayer roguelike. :/

Anyhoo, you get a seriouspost from me w/r/t RP, because I think Incarna is something that EVE needs, even though a lot of people do not realize it. It needs the immersion factor. Some people will instarage because I say 'EVE needs Incarna', but they are fools.

They are fools not because they are wrong to disagree with me (some may say EVE is immersive enough, etc), but because since Incarna and WOD are inevitable, and thus thoroughly pointless to rage against.

Soraya Nol
Posted - 2011.03.11 02:34:00 - [400]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Lilac Willimar
What are your thoughts on enhanced roleplaying features being added to the game through Incarna?


Goons often mock roleplayers in EVE, because they have to do so much goddamned work to roleplay. This is because the ingame client provides essentially no immersion whatsoever, so you might as well be RPing by post on a forum somewhere, yakking about space politics or whatever.

I've actually unironically enjoyed roleplaying in better formats. I used to be a huge oldWorldofDarkness mush addict, and that worked out great because the medium of text on a MUSH is very conducive to RP.

Incarna is a controversial issue in some circles. However it's going to happen. Period. Incarna is the WoD MMO engine alpha. CCP is developing it. You cannot stop it; the CSM cannot stop it. It's foolish to think otherwise.

However, it's also a nuanced issue, because if CCP /didn't/ use the WoD code in EVE, making the games cross-compatible where possible, the development resources CCP is expending on WoD would provide no utility for EVE whatsoever. The EVE playerbase can't prevent the WoD MMO. Nor can the CSM. But through Incarna, EVE can at least see some benefits of the WoD development.

Personally, I think EVE desperately needs immersion. Part of the reason why people point out that I'm the same 'in EVE' as I am 'in real life' is because there's no immersion. I'm watching a ****ty, dated UI and a picture of a spaceship, but in practice I'm zoomed way the **** out anyway because the game lags so badly.

So my 'immersion' is:

1. a UI that is based off an excel spreadsheet
2. a zoomed out bracket [ ] and a bunch of other [ ]'s around me.

You could practically turn EVE into a multiplayer roguelike. :/

Anyhoo, you get a seriouspost from me w/r/t RP, because I think Incarna is something that EVE needs, even though a lot of people do not realize it. It needs the immersion factor. Some people will instarage because I say 'EVE needs Incarna', but they are fools.

They are fools not because they are wrong to disagree with me (some may say EVE is immersive enough, etc), but because since Incarna and WOD are inevitable, and thus thoroughly pointless to rage against.


Dude I'm sure you're a chill nerd brosef to hang out with in rl, but you're kinda losing it. Just go away.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.11 06:04:00 - [401]
 

Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 11/03/2011 07:09:55
Originally by: The Mittani
i guess this post is the math nerd version of that guy a few posts back quoting a bunch of latin words and expecting people to care

*quotes statistics 101*
*leans back, satisfied*

anyway, i'm literally a beautiful man, deal with it


First, I could give a flying f*** what you look like. Second, you still haven't responded to your full ****** statement in the Vote Match system about T2 BPOs.

I mean....wtf dude? I may have done it in a **** way but I did call you out on something you wrote down that pretty much any market veteran would consider the intellectual equivalent of peeing into your own mouth to deal with your dehydration. Your response ultimately is to link facebook photos of yourself? Good god dude, the only think you are unmasking here is how far your opinion of your abilities out-paces reality.

Of course, like you've mentioned, you are a lawyer so this shouldn't be a surprise.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 07:10:00 - [402]
 

Edited by: The Mittani on 11/03/2011 07:19:14
Originally by: Tehg Rhind

First, I could give a flying f*** what you look like. Second, you still haven't responded to your full ****** statement in the Vote Match system about T2 BPOs.


you seem like you're on a nerd crusade and you're not voting for me anyway, idgaf vOv


oh hey you edited your post seconds after i replied


Quote:
I mean....wtf dude? I may have done it in a **** way but I did call you out on something you wrote down that pretty much any market veteran would consider the intellectual equivalent of peeing into your own mouth to deal with your dehydration. Your response ultimately is to link facebook photos of yourself? Good god dude, the only think you are unmasking here is how far your opinion of your abilities out-paces reality.

Of course, like you've mentioned, you are a lawyer so this shouldn't be a surprise.


you're unironically surprised that after popping up like an antagonistic sperg raging about bpos that i trolled you? really?

you might be mistaking me for a candidate who will grovel or suffer fools for votes. i am not that candidate; one of my planks is ruthlessness, and my ~space empire~ is based on cruelty.

who even cares? MD's blocvoting for kalrand if they have any sense, you're not going to vote for me, feel free to angrypost some more though

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.11 07:24:00 - [403]
 

Originally by: Cassus Temon


What! You're disappointed because he's not role-playing?



No, I am disappointed that I once thought Mittani to be above the negative stereotypes I have come to believe of all Goons; where I once believed pure cunning, brilliant strategy and execution were dominant traits I have found these overshadowed by arrogance and condescension. It is unfortunate; life is full of disappointments. I had hoped that I was just mis-reading but this was not the case.

Moving along to the next candidate who I may be able to rally behind; certainly not stopping here...


<insert rebuttal flames about "feelings being hurt blah blah blah", I know they're coming> : ****ing off potential voters is never good political strategy.

Rukdam Asthaton
Posted - 2011.03.11 08:21:00 - [404]
 

Edited by: Rukdam Asthaton on 11/03/2011 08:21:30
From where I see things CSM is a sounding board as said before (many times); when I read your (The Mittani) statements and posts i'm interpreting that you will turn it into more then a sounding board. (Lobbyist group is the closest thing in my mind for comparison)

The actual question(s):
1. You say the other candidates are lying to us and promising us things. But aren't you promising us things as well? At it's core, each candidate is telling us how they want to do things, you appear to me as no different. (Same dish, different flavors if you understand my analogy)
2. In regards to unifying the CSM: Do you intend to do this through your own personality and way of doing things? I don't see much detail on how you will accomplish this.
3. If you do so, what do you think of the event that CCP just shuts out CSM alltogether? Will you take action(if any) to circumvent such an event? (I apologize if this has been asked already, 14 posts of reading and mind went blurry)

Thank you for your time.

Jarek Kalensa
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:24:00 - [405]
 

I will be voting for you.

I am resident in low-sec 99% of the time that I am in EVE. Whilst this would normally be the springboard for me to rant in tedious length about what I personally do or do not like about low-sec, I will not be doing that. "Fix" it or don't, I don't really care. I don't really mind the low-sec mechanics. I even don't care about GCC and gate guns, and I would argue that most pirates don't really care about them, regardless of what they might say when they get all riled up and shouty.

As you mention, and as is glaringly obvious to any EVE player with even a teeny brain, the CSM will never be responsible for massive play-changing modifications to the game. So, regardless who I and my alts choose to vote for, the likelihood is that not much will change.

So why am I bothering to vote at all, why am I bothering to vote for you, and why am I bothering to waste all the forum-kids time writing about it?

Simply put, because from reading your articles and from watching the parts of your career that have floated, dreg-like, down to us low-sec scumbags, you seem to be an intelligent, articulate guy who has a deep commitment to the game. I'm sure we wouldn't agree on a lot of stuff, but we agree on quite a bit of it, and that's enough for me. I know you won't change anything for the better, but **** it, you'll be a cat amongst the pigeons, and that's good enough.

Also, nice puppy.

Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:29:00 - [406]
 

ITT Mittani still says unironically

LOL!

I was considering voting for Mittani because MAYBE if this game got worse CCP would do something and having Mittani as CSM (the same guy who cant even manage an alliance and destroyed his own alliance 3 4 times) the game would get worse and CCP would do something.

Unless this was the plan all along, because if it is then Mittani only you would be capable of making something go from bad to worse

Lilac Willimar
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:42:00 - [407]
 

Thank you for your reply, Mittani :)

And from one old school WoD MUSHer to another, you have my vote.

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.11 18:05:00 - [408]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
you're unironically surprised that after popping up like an antagonistic sperg raging about bpos that i trolled you? really?

you might be mistaking me for a candidate who will grovel or suffer fools for votes. i am not that candidate; one of my planks is ruthlessness, and my ~space empire~ is based on cruelty.

who even cares? MD's blocvoting for kalrand if they have any sense, you're not going to vote for me, feel free to angrypost some more though


By that logic shouldn't everyone responding to this thread be trolling you since the candidacy is little more than an angry sperg?

Anyways, I would assume that the Mittani could handle a little harsh criticism and not REPEATEDLY REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE HIS ORIGINAL STATEMENT. Good lord, you would think a clever and ruthless type you claim to be could come off more as a 'Slick Willy' instead of a 'Dubya'. Don't mistake power with the undestanding of how to actualize it.

So, one more time, definitely not the last. Did you state that the removal of T2 BPOs was a good idea in the Vote Match system?

Melika Akhostov
Posted - 2011.03.11 19:25:00 - [409]
 

There is only one true God,
and The Mittani is his profit.

Jarek Kalensa
FLA5HY RED
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.03.11 19:54:00 - [410]
 

Originally by: Melika Akhostov
There is only one true God,
and The Mittani is his profit.


Freudian slip there?

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.03.11 20:23:00 - [411]
 

Originally by: The Mittani

you might be mistaking me for a candidate who will grovel or suffer fools for votes. i am not that candidate; one of my planks is ruthlessness, and my ~space empire~ is based on cruelty.

Oh man, you've really lost the plot. But please don't stop, it's not often we get quality stuff like this. Very Happy

Admiral Feelgood
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 20:44:00 - [412]
 

Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
ITT Mittani still says unironically

LOL!

I was considering voting for Mittani because MAYBE if this game got worse CCP would do something and having Mittani as CSM (the same guy who cant even manage an alliance and destroyed his own alliance 3 4 times) the game would get worse and CCP would do something.


Dear Leader hasn't destroyed the alliance even once. Under the kind guidance and wisdom of the Dear Leader we have grown strong and numerous and our reach extended greatly. The five year economic plans are all on track to exceed quota and every goon has bread in one hand and a rifle in the other. To think that the Dear Leader is responsible for our past hardships is the strange ranting of revisionists and capitalist roaders. Once Dear Leader has ascended to CSM chairmanship and you have experienced the brilliance of TheMittani Thought you will see the insanity in opposing Dear Leader's will, through his guidance we will all flourish in a new post-Trebor society.

Trixie Sue
Posted - 2011.03.11 20:45:00 - [413]
 

Originally by: Bomberlocks
Originally by: The Mittani

you might be mistaking me for a candidate who will grovel or suffer fools for votes. i am not that candidate; one of my planks is ruthlessness, and my ~space empire~ is based on cruelty.

Oh man, you've really lost the plot. But please don't stop, it's not often we get quality stuff like this. Very Happy


Seriously, its some pro ruthless clever stuff here.

Please link pictures to show how hot you are again. That was some pro stuff mate.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:24:00 - [414]
 

Originally by: Rukdam Asthaton

From where I see things CSM is a sounding board as said before (many times); when I read your (The Mittani) statements and posts i'm interpreting that you will turn it into more then a sounding board. (Lobbyist group is the closest thing in my mind for comparison)

The actual question(s):
1. You say the other candidates are lying to us and promising us things. But aren't you promising us things as well? At it's core, each candidate is telling us how they want to do things, you appear to me as no different. (Same dish, different flavors if you understand my analogy)
2. In regards to unifying the CSM: Do you intend to do this through your own personality and way of doing things? I don't see much detail on how you will accomplish this.
3. If you do so, what do you think of the event that CCP just shuts out CSM alltogether? Will you take action(if any) to circumvent such an event? (I apologize if this has been asked already, 14 posts of reading and mind went blurry)

Thank you for your time.


That's not a bad analogy; an effective advocate for the players would, essentially, be a lobbyist group.

I've hit these questions before, but like you say, it's a loooong thread.

1. Since my campaign was announced, many candidates have moderated their statements so they aren't caught in the open promising to fix blasters, which was the stereotypical 'lol CSM platform' joke in years past. The issue isn't people making promises, but making promised wildly outside the scope of the CSM - promising to make design changes, etc. I can promise to be a ruthless bastard and to /attempt/ to increase the power of the CSM.

2. I won't know exactly the best path until I know the makeup of the CSM after the 30th. Different personalities have to be handled in different ways. I have one of the best records of 'making disparate groups work together for a common goal' of anyone in EVE, however.

3. I have serious concerns that CCP might stonewall the CSM, especially after the monstrously daft open letter that was just published. Such a letter plays well with the voting base - and I'll probably be pilloried for daring to criticize it, but **** it. You need to apply pressure in a canny way.

Pressure on the upper management from the media w/r/t the Summer of Discontent appeared to work quite well, as the pressure was tailored to people who can do something about it (ie: "****, we're getting nuked in the press, order our line devs to do an interative bugfix expansion and do more blogs about lagfixes") as opposed to the Open Letter, which complained about a lack of gameplay in the WoD engine alpha (ie, Incarna) to line-level devs - people who 1. can't alter Incarna or axe it, since it's an engine test 2. aren't beholden to player or media pressure at all, anyway.

So that's an example of a political move which is popular with voters, but accomplishes nothing. Incarna isn't going to have much 'gameplay', the line devs can't stop it or change it, and the playerbase raging about it isn't going to change it.

All the letter can do is **** over CSM6 such that we start from a position of 'CCP expects the CSM to throw tantrums and resign en masse (note how few from CSM5 are going for reelection), don't bother with these idiots'.

How will I try to overcome this? I have no idea at this juncture. The first step, once elected, will be to gather intel and talk to as many CCP people as will be willing to chat with me about how the CSM5 did from CCP's perspective. Because it's all well and good for us to hurf about high profile stunts from Jita Park, in practice none of us actually know how the CSM is doing from the CCP side.

I suspect what I uncover will be ugly, and possibly damning. The job will be much harder now, that's for sure.

General Windypops
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:32:00 - [415]
 

Originally by: Rukdam Asthaton
2. In regards to unifying the CSM: Do you intend to do this through your own personality and way of doing things? I don't see much detail on how you will accomplish this.


I'm going to take a wild stab in the dark here and answer on Mittens behelf. "By ensuring that 90% of the people on the CSM are the leaders of my closest allies".

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:34:00 - [416]
 

Originally by: Jarek Kalensa
I will be voting for you.

I am resident in low-sec 99% of the time that I am in EVE. Whilst this would normally be the springboard for me to rant in tedious length about what I personally do or do not like about low-sec, I will not be doing that. "Fix" it or don't, I don't really care. I don't really mind the low-sec mechanics. I even don't care about GCC and gate guns, and I would argue that most pirates don't really care about them, regardless of what they might say when they get all riled up and shouty.

As you mention, and as is glaringly obvious to any EVE player with even a teeny brain, the CSM will never be responsible for massive play-changing modifications to the game. So, regardless who I and my alts choose to vote for, the likelihood is that not much will change.

So why am I bothering to vote at all, why am I bothering to vote for you, and why am I bothering to waste all the forum-kids time writing about it?

Simply put, because from reading your articles and from watching the parts of your career that have floated, dreg-like, down to us low-sec scumbags, you seem to be an intelligent, articulate guy who has a deep commitment to the game. I'm sure we wouldn't agree on a lot of stuff, but we agree on quite a bit of it, and that's enough for me. I know you won't change anything for the better, but **** it, you'll be a cat amongst the pigeons, and that's good enough.

Also, nice puppy.


Thanks for the endorsement. I have some (dated) views on lowsec, for what it's worth; I think the region is the most neglected area of the game. A couple of years ago at Eve Vegas there was a 'design competition' which my team won, drafting a 'Corruption' expansion for lowsec. There's a TTH column about it. However, like you say, me being on the CSM isn't likely to have any direct impact on lowsec gameplay.

As for a cat being among pigeons, there are a bunch of posters in this thread who are absolutely certain that because I'm ****ting on people who are idiots and not being ~nice~ to every poster, I will lose this election and lose it badly.

I appreciate your savvy analysis of the situation.

Pigeons are tasty.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 21:39:00 - [417]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker

No, I am disappointed that I once thought Mittani to be above the negative stereotypes I have come to believe of all Goons; where I once believed pure cunning, brilliant strategy and execution were dominant traits I have found these overshadowed by arrogance and condescension. It is unfortunate; life is full of disappointments. I had hoped that I was just mis-reading but this was not the case.


Let me get this straight. I openly announce myself to be an arrogant, manipulative sadist and now you are shocked, shocked that I'm an arrogant, manipulative sadist?

I got nothin'.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 22:06:00 - [418]
 

I just picked up the EVE Tribune endorsement for CSM Chairman:

Quote:

The Mittani, for CSM chair.: A self-described bastard, we think that he's exactly what the CSM needs to raise itself out of a position of semi-relevancy and forge itself into a tool to smack CCP's nose when they need a good dose of reality. We believe that a Mittens-led CSM will accomplish great things and finally find ways and means to put some real pressure on CCP.



Not Kalle Demos
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.03.11 23:28:00 - [419]
 

Originally by: Admiral Feelgood
Originally by: Not Kalle Demos
ITT Mittani still says unironically

LOL!

I was considering voting for Mittani because MAYBE if this game got worse CCP would do something and having Mittani as CSM (the same guy who cant even manage an alliance and destroyed his own alliance 3 4 times) the game would get worse and CCP would do something.


Dear Leader


I bet you feel real good about brown nosing in a creepy RP way but you should stop

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.12 02:22:00 - [420]
 

K, fine. Let's ignore your statement about T2 BPOs for the moment. Let's look at your platform.

1) The CSM makes unrealistic promises to get elected.

This is a no-brained dude. Of course they do. Anyone running for a political office makes unrealistic promises. Including yourself. The difference is that the unrealistic promises they make involve design changes that are supported by their developer Stakeholder status. Your unrealistic promise (if there is one, I'll get to that latter) involves a much larger change in the very nature of the CSM, which CCP may not actually have any obligation or interest in listening to.

2) Now while I just argued that you are making large promises that you have no ability to back, Im going to do a 180 and say that you actually are campaigning on an empty platform. Your basic campaign comes down to "There is clearly a problem, I'm going to fix it because I'm a proven cut-throat dude". This is a completely empty statement.

3) You say your ability to redirect the CSM is proven through your ability to politic. Now, honestly I don't know you IRL, and you very well may have that, bu there is no evidence of that any of us could possibly see. The leadership and politickig you have shown in EvE is meaningless for a task like what you are mentioning. Part of this is because, while leading in EvE does take talent, it also takes the kind of skewed priorities and ego-mania that make for terrible collaborative leaders in the real world. This isn't just targeted at you, but anyone who claims that. Anyone who can devote 40 hours of their life to leading people in a computer game are not the kind of people I would ever want sitting in a board room negotiating a deal that involves real issues, becausethat person has already shown that real issues come second to games.

It's a bit anti-intellectual.

3) What this all boils down to, for me, is that you are arguing against the excessive politicking and lack of results from the CSM (which strikes me as a somewhat unfounded statement, see stakeholder status), but this picture you are showing of the problem, and the solution, is painted by the most grandiose politic double speak I have seen in quite a while.

"the CSM shouldn't bring player problems to CCP, it should bring CCP to the players"

how you get a pass on criticising empty promises and flowery politicking while writig the sappiest politicking campaign of any of the candidates is beyond me. The only explanation I have for it is that you are riding the cult of personality you, to be fair, have rightfully earned.

The entire spiel quote about how the CSM does all it's business on their private forums and at the summit instead of publicly and spin that as some insidious plot is hilarious. OF COURSE that's where they do their work. I mean....I don't get that in the slightest. How could you have a usefull conversation with devs about a potential feature in public without either violating NDA. As for transparency the recent CSM was pretty quality about releasing good minutes and informing the players about what they can.

But you turn on the 'Loose Change" music and make them all a pack of evil liars.

Ironically, you getting elected may only prove your campaign stance that the CSM is filled with double speak politicians who promise the world that they can't deliver and in the end bring nothing to the table.


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