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Oroan
Minmatar
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 17:46:00 - [361]
 

3 votes send !!

Kno Bodeesbitch
Posted - 2011.03.09 18:41:00 - [362]
 

The Mittani is not lying to you...he is telling you the complete truth. Let that sink in for a second...the COMPLETE TRUTH...Goon Style.

He is telling you that the CSM is nonsense.

"All the promises from the CSM candidates, all the ‘issues’ and ‘features’ they’re going to address - it’s all a pack of lies"

He is telling you anyone looking to join is either naive or outright maniplulative.

"It’s time we stopped being suckers.

The truth is that being on the CSM has nothing to do with being a game designer, or implementing your favorite features, or fixing railguns, or removing local."

He is telling you that the candidates are looking for an all expense paid trip to Iceland.

"You, the voters, get used - A vicious cycle that pits your wishes for a better EVE Online against 9 people looking for an all-expenses-paid Icelandic vacation."

Therefore, he is telling you he is manipulating you suckers into voting for him so he gets an all expense paid trip to Iceland.

(not that he really needs the money after all he is a successful lawyer , who found socialism only after he made it big in a capitalist system. Its the principle of the matter, why pay when you can get someone else to pay, right?)

Vote Mittani! Because everyone knows Eve needs another unscrupulous, manipulative, Goon (read:scam artist), bent on self-aggrandizement in a postition of "power".

JD Galis
New Player Experience
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:25:00 - [363]
 

I looked at the interesting CSM's candidates, by far Mittani yours seems the most with...realism I should say. I can relate to some of your views, and too add a cherry on top,a good poster! Which makes my heart swoon. You have my votes.

However a question,we all know that supercaps are breaking the game more so in nullsec. If given the power what adjustments would you make to "balance things out" or the like.

Since fighter bombers, dreads have become obsolete even more so disregarging bringing a fleet of them to cap fights on a general scale now. Dreads need some loving~ Sad

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:37:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: JD Galis
I looked at the interesting CSM's candidates, by far Mittani yours seems the most with...realism I should say. I can relate to some of your views, and too add a cherry on top,a good poster! Which makes my heart swoon. You have my votes.

However a question,we all know that supercaps are breaking the game more so in nullsec. If given the power what adjustments would you make to "balance things out" or the like.

Since fighter bombers, dreads have become obsolete even more so disregarging bringing a fleet of them to cap fights on a general scale now. Dreads need some loving~ Sad


While I don't think the CSM actually has the power to implement such things, I think supercaps need to die in droves. Right now it's too easy for them to get away. I'd support something like a supercapital point that you could mount on supercarriers; such a thing would result in so much supercap death, as it would ensure that supercap fights are deathgrips. Or, as a more 'careful' balance tweak, at the very least Fighter-Bombers shouldn't be able to kill HICs with such ease.

Note: CSM is not amateur game designer hour, and my above views are thus frankly irrelevant. Death2allsupercaps.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:39:00 - [365]
 

Originally by: Cyno Tities
Dear The Mittani,
What is your position on RMT'ing and BOT'ing in eve? Would you advocate any changes in eve to deal with BOT corps renting from large 0.0 alliance rental schemes?



The real nexus of botting these days is in L4 empire missions. I think it should be cracked down on, particularly in nullsec; it ruins solo pvp when every 'ratter' auto-logs upon a hostile jump in. But CCP doesn't enforce anti-botting rules, essentially handing out only wrist-slaps. One of the reasons botting is so widespread though is because the PvE in EVE sucks ass.

RMTing leads to credit card fraud and should be heavily cracked down by CCP on wherever possible.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.09 19:44:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Hello Mittani,

- You have raised the point of "all expenses" paid trip to Iceland. Would you, as an elected delegate, decline to attend the summits in Iceland and opt to telecommute from home?


This would be completely, skull****ingly stupid. In-person persuasion is vastly more effective than purely written persuasion. Body language communicates more than words, both give and take. Like many CSM delegates in the past have said, the 'real action' of the CSM is face-to-face in Reykjavik.

Quote:
- You have mentioned "my directors" having been in the past five CSM pools; who are they and why are they considered "your" directors?



I've either run Goonswarm or been a eminence grise since its inception.

Quote:
- Skill queues are mentioned as one of the great featured coming out of CSM efforts, but nothing more. Do you believe this is the only feature of note worth mentioning? Are there others (with examples)?


Compared to the grand promises of all the candidates over all the years? Perhaps this next expansion we'll see huge deliverables sourced from the CSM. But for now, the election rhetoric has been little more than twaddle.

Quote:

- In your short blurb just before a voter casts their support for you, there is mention that in order to effect change you alone require the CSM chair. What advantages do you believe are provided with chair versus a regular delegate? What do you believe can only be achieve by obtaining chair? *WHY* can such issues not be brought forward as any other position within the CSM?



Because I'm a ruthless bastard; I think I can make a lot more out of the 'powerless' chair than its explicitly delineated powers imply. I don't think other candidates grasp the political power of titles.

Quote:

- Given your belief that one feature of thousands is "apalling", what sort of tools or methods will you use if elected to change this track record, whether passively or by force?


I've answered this question multiple times over the course of this 12 page+ thread.

Quote:
- Do you have any comments on the work done by CSM 5 in comparison with previous councils?


The Summer of Rage was well done. This 'public letter on Incarna' is going to be very popular with voters, yet futile and politically senseless.

Quote:
- You appear to advocate manipulation, hard-line tactics and shotgun diplomacy to get things done, the way you want them. What recourses do you have or have used in the past when someone decides to challenge you/dissent professionally? Let us only focus on strong, logical debate and not "omgudidwhart?!?!LOL" type rebuke.


If you insist upon rationalism and logical debate in all things, you're not going to vote for a guy who mentions charisma as one of his selling points. Disputes between humans are not some kind of spreadsheet comparison contest. Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.

Beyond that, my record is not one of 'shotgun diplomacy'; Goonswarm has some of the most consistent and effective diplomactic relationships in the history of EVE. We win, not alone, but arm-in-arm with our friends.


gedrick trelvile
Posted - 2011.03.09 20:30:00 - [367]
 

It matter little to me what he says I would never vote to put anyone from Goon("anything")and their associates in a position to have any say in this game. Their ideas of fairness(yeah right), backstabbing, cheating, and out right lying are and forever shall be exemplified by their leadership.

Kno Bodeesbitch
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:28:00 - [368]
 

I would tend to agree. The Mittani is certainly an intelligent person and an exemplary spy master. He is emminently qualified to write for Ten Ton Hammer and lead the Goons.

However, by his own words he has been in Goon leadership since its inception, as such he bears responsibility for the Goon "brand". Under his watch the Goons have become synonymous with betrayal, weak character, scams and have been encouraged to be as obnoxious as possible. All of the "accomplishments" of the Goons, and there have been many, are overshadowed by their loathsome reputation.

Unfortunately,the qualities that make The Mittani a natural for the in game work he is currently doing makes him a poor choice as a candidate,in my opinion. Also,given his propensity for intrigue and "e-betrayal" I just don't see the wisdom in giving him direct access to information protected by the NDA.

I think that he has a place in the tapestry of Eve, he is certainly a celebrity, just not CSM.

Also, this "anti-candidate candidate" routine that he is running is transparently insincere. It typifies what I feel his behavior would be like as a CSM member.



Rgarcia
Posted - 2011.03.09 22:35:00 - [369]
 

You say that we are being lied to, and that we are suckers. That must be why you want to be a CSM then. You are the head of the Goons and you all lie, scam, sucker people. In fact you brag about it and are proud to be the top scammers of Eve. You have nothing to offer the players of Eve excpet fellow scammers. And I loled when I read your speech. Which was well written but lacked the obvious truth. You and all Goons are scamming, lying, players of Eve who play to only grief. And you have all said those words many times. I am calling you names. I am quoting your wiki, website, and other statements made from you all over the years.

Vote NO for any Goons running for CSM.

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.03.09 23:01:00 - [370]
 

Well, I'm sold. You got my vote.

Break some heads over there.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 00:05:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Well, I'm sold. You got my vote.

Break some heads over there.


You coming to fanfest this year? I know Tyrrax is finally showing his ugly mug. If so, hit me up. Drinking, lots.

AJ Deathwing
Posted - 2011.03.10 01:39:00 - [372]
 

Id buy that for a dolla +6 votes here ;p

Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 01:47:00 - [373]
 

Originally by: Kno Bodees*****
I would tend to agree. The Mittani is certainly an intelligent person and an exemplary spy master. He is emminently qualified to write for Ten Ton Hammer and lead the Goons.

However, by his own words he has been in Goon leadership since its inception, as such he bears responsibility for the Goon "brand". Under his watch the Goons have become synonymous with betrayal, weak character, scams and have been encouraged to be as obnoxious as possible. All of the "accomplishments" of the Goons, and there have been many, are overshadowed by their loathsome reputation.

Unfortunately,the qualities that make The Mittani a natural for the in game work he is currently doing makes him a poor choice as a candidate,in my opinion. Also,given his propensity for intrigue and "e-betrayal" I just don't see the wisdom in giving him direct access to information protected by the NDA.

I think that he has a place in the tapestry of Eve, he is certainly a celebrity, just not CSM.

Also, this "anti-candidate candidate" routine that he is running is transparently insincere. It typifies what I feel his behavior would be like as a CSM member.


As much as you may despise such activities, GoonSwarm is a large alliance, and in any case, the scams perpetrated in-game by goons are entirely within EVE's game policies. Violating an NDA has far-reaching, real-world consequences. To draw a correlation between in-game activities that you do not agree with, but which are entirely within CCP's policies, and violating a real-world legal contract doesn't make much sense.

Johnathan Walker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:32:00 - [374]
 

Originally by: The Mittani

If you insist upon rationalism and logical debate in all things, you're not going to vote for a guy who mentions charisma as one of his selling points. Disputes between humans are not some kind of spreadsheet comparison contest. Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.



So you assume that I am not as well educated in these affairs as Your Holiness and Eminence Grise, The Mittani Himself. This alone seals my vote against you, but thank you for taking the time.

I even had thought of a rhyming poem to thank and compliment you on your expected replies however the professionalism is sorely lacking and thus I take my leave, sorely disappointed. Good luck in the days to come! Cool

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:50:00 - [375]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Well, I'm sold. You got my vote.

Break some heads over there.


You coming to fanfest this year? I know Tyrrax is finally showing his ugly mug. If so, hit me up. Drinking, lots.

Nah, not this year, maybe next though... I miss Iceland and its weird hard-boiled egg smell.

Welsige
Gallente
Ad Vita Noctu
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:01:00 - [376]
 

Vote added. For the 0.0, and all EVE's peoples true representation!

Phidrelle
Posted - 2011.03.10 03:05:00 - [377]
 

Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:34:20
Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:07:42
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?

Are you planning to say anything that isn't a lie?


Have you stopped beating your wife yet?


Seriously? That's your response? How very McCarthy of you.

Also, you've elicited the very classic example of the fallacy petitio principii (begging the question). Any attorney should know this. All politicians will ignore it, of course.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:01:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Phidrelle
Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:34:20
Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:07:42
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?

Are you planning to say anything that isn't a lie?


Have you stopped beating your wife yet?


Seriously? That's your response? How very McCarthy of you.

Also, you've elicited the very classic example of the fallacy petitio principii (begging the question). Any attorney should know this. All politicians will ignore it, of course.


oh no latin words they burn us they buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn ussssssssssssssssssssss~~~

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:04:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: The Mittani

If you insist upon rationalism and logical debate in all things, you're not going to vote for a guy who mentions charisma as one of his selling points. Disputes between humans are not some kind of spreadsheet comparison contest. Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.



So you assume that I am not as well educated in these affairs as Your Holiness and Eminence Grise, The Mittani Himself. This alone seals my vote against you, but thank you for taking the time.

I even had thought of a rhyming poem to thank and compliment you on your expected replies however the professionalism is sorely lacking and thus I take my leave, sorely disappointed. Good luck in the days to come! Cool


i'm not going to be locking up the furry vote, let's not delude ourselves

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:32:00 - [380]
 

Uhm, you want to get rid of T2 BPOs?

Sorry, that's like a basic intelligence test and you failed horribly. How in gods name can you run a spy ring and be that stupid?

Phidrelle
Posted - 2011.03.10 04:48:00 - [381]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Phidrelle
Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:34:20
Edited by: Phidrelle on 10/03/2011 03:07:42
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 26/02/2011 08:32:06
Are you willing to break NDA?

If not, how will you even be different from any other CSM member?

Your general attitude towards CSM is commendable, but do you even believe it yourself that you are able to deliver?

Are you willing to report your own members to stop botting if it comes to that?

Your alliance openly violates EULA, are you going to try and protect them when it is apparent that the discussion is going against your alliance agenda?

Are you planning to say anything that isn't a lie?


Have you stopped beating your wife yet?


Seriously? That's your response? How very McCarthy of you.

Also, you've elicited the very classic example of the fallacy petitio principii (begging the question). Any attorney should know this. All politicians will ignore it, of course.


oh no latin words they burn us they buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurn ussssssssssssssssssssss~~~


Thought you were supposed to be a lawyer as well as a leader. It would've been easy to take apart my argument given its own structure. I must assume you're not a very good lawyer if you can't pick a bad argument from a good one.

Cassus Temon
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.03.10 05:30:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Johnathan Walker
Originally by: The Mittani

If you insist upon rationalism and logical debate in all things, you're not going to vote for a guy who mentions charisma as one of his selling points. Disputes between humans are not some kind of spreadsheet comparison contest. Since you suggested that I should telecommute to Reykjavik and skip the face-to-face summit meetings, I'm going to guess that you don't understand how that works.



So you assume that I am not as well educated in these affairs as Your Holiness and Eminence Grise, The Mittani Himself. This alone seals my vote against you, but thank you for taking the time.

I even had thought of a rhyming poem to thank and compliment you on your expected replies however the professionalism is sorely lacking and thus I take my leave, sorely disappointed. Good luck in the days to come! Cool


What! You're disappointed because he's not role-playing? RP and RL have very little in common; almost nothing in common actually. Something I discovered years ago; and why I don't bother with it. Role-Playing is a fantasy. One in which you idealize, or exemplify traits, which don't truly exist; in fact, never have been seen, in the scope of Human behaviour. Shakespearean witticism, and the like; have never had a place in real Human communication. This is the heart; of where lies begin. In play-acting, pretending, role-playing; all you truly do, is lie.

It's Delusion.

WhiteGhostBear
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.03.10 05:36:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
i'm not going to be locking up the furry vote, let's not delude ourselves
Hey, you never know. Stranger things in Eve have happened. Cool

Sikozu Maken
Posted - 2011.03.10 06:55:00 - [384]
 

2 votes for ya :)

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 07:24:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Uhm, you want to get rid of T2 BPOs?

Sorry, that's like a basic intelligence test and you failed horribly. How in gods name can you run a spy ring and be that stupid?


t2 bpos are nowhere in my campaign message, i don't know why you're ~allmad~ about them

that said, trying to insult my intelligence is like trying to suggest i'm unattractive

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 07:27:00 - [386]
 

Originally by: Phidrelle

Thought you were supposed to be a lawyer as well as a leader. It would've been easy to take apart my argument given its own structure. I must assume you're not a very good lawyer if you can't pick a bad argument from a good one.


i retired from law last year, lawyering is banal and terrible and mostly evil

Dipluz
Caldari
Notorious Legion
Posted - 2011.03.10 12:16:00 - [387]
 

Edited by: Dipluz on 10/03/2011 12:17:31
Edited by: Dipluz on 10/03/2011 12:17:11
The Mittani for CSM! no more bull****, go to iceland and kick ass and chew bubblegum! cya on TS!YARRRR!! oh and yeah on
Fanfest ofcourse! cya in the bar ;)

edit 2# sent ya 5 votes :D

Dr Shameless
2nd Blood Raven Assault Squad
Majesta Empire
Posted - 2011.03.10 14:04:00 - [388]
 

As mentioned in a certain movie:

"If we are to survive, a new balance must be found. In normal times, evil (CCP) would be fought by good. But in times like these, well, it should be fought by another kind of evil (lawyer)." Laughing

Voted for The Mittani Embarassed

Tehg Rhind
Posted - 2011.03.10 14:26:00 - [389]
 

Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 10/03/2011 14:27:57
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Uhm, you want to get rid of T2 BPOs?

Sorry, that's like a basic intelligence test and you failed horribly. How in gods name can you run a spy ring and be that stupid?


t2 bpos are nowhere in my campaign message, i don't know why you're ~allmad~ about them

that said, trying to insult my intelligence is like trying to suggest i'm unattractive


First, you said this in Vote Match, so yeah, its part of your platform.

Second, you're right that insulting your intelligence over this is similar to suggesting your unnatractive. Both could be insinuated with Bayesian probabilities.

P(Ret|T2)
Given that you don't support T2 BPOs the chance that you are market stupid is high

P(U|EvE)
Given that you play EvE and are space important the chance that there is something physically wrong with you may be high (haven't evaluated this one yet).

The first is definitely right.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.03.10 19:42:00 - [390]
 

Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Edited by: Tehg Rhind on 10/03/2011 14:27:57
Originally by: The Mittani
Originally by: Tehg Rhind
Uhm, you want to get rid of T2 BPOs?

Sorry, that's like a basic intelligence test and you failed horribly. How in gods name can you run a spy ring and be that stupid?


t2 bpos are nowhere in my campaign message, i don't know why you're ~allmad~ about them

that said, trying to insult my intelligence is like trying to suggest i'm unattractive


First, you said this in Vote Match, so yeah, its part of your platform.

Second, you're right that insulting your intelligence over this is similar to suggesting your unnatractive. Both could be insinuated with Bayesian probabilities.

P(Ret|T2)
Given that you don't support T2 BPOs the chance that you are market stupid is high

P(U|EvE)
Given that you play EvE and are space important the chance that there is something physically wrong with you may be high (haven't evaluated this one yet).

The first is definitely right.


i guess this post is the math nerd version of that guy a few posts back quoting a bunch of latin words and expecting people to care

*quotes statistics 101*
*leans back, satisfied*

anyway, i'm literally a beautiful man, deal with it


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