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Yer Mudder
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:09:00 - [1]
 

How come I'm coming across ice fields that have dozens of macks & hulks in them even though Hulkageddon is in full swing? Take Mitsolen & Halaima for example - these are both just a stone's throw from Jita yet the bots are still plentiful there to say the least.

It is that Macks are harder to kill? Not worth it? Are these locations just harder to get to when your sec status is low?

I'd really like to take part in this event in future and I'm trying to gather good intel & techniques this time round - as far as I can see, two SB fitted BSes could rack up the kills in the fields every 15 minutes... what am I overlooking?

Hannibal 'Bambi' Lecter
It rubs the lotion on its skin
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:31:00 - [2]
 

Bots don't provide delicious tears when they go boom so why would people go after them when they can go after real players who provide gallons of tears and entertainment.

Enord Loej
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:36:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Enord Loej on 22/02/2011 15:39:06
Last I checked, prizes were awarded for quantity of kills, not quality of tears.

Correction: There is one ****ty award for getting a good hatemail. I'm sure everyone will focus on achieving that prize instead of going after a dozen AFK miners who wont do anything to thwart your gank.

Kitty McKitty
Gallente
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:59:00 - [4]
 

Why are you alt posting on the forums about it, go blow them up. That is why they are still mining. Furthermore, people are either dumb, ignorant or simply don't care and mine anyway.

The Hulk is p much the most used ship out there so it's kind of hard to impact all of them. Also non euro/US timezone.

Also, why am I bothering to post in hulkageddon thread #9389002548097248907393

Daphne Q
Our Own Pirate Society
Posted - 2011.02.22 16:04:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Yer Mudder
... as far as I can see, two SB fitted BSes could rack up the kills in the fields every 15 minutes... what am I overlooking?

That, or maybe half a dozen or so destroyers with good alpha. If you have the pilots, these would be far cheaper than 2 BS class ships.

Yer Mudder
Posted - 2011.02.22 16:22:00 - [6]
 

Thanks for the replies but it still doesn't explain why the Macks are present in such great numbers in these systems - it's like the Macks are either harder to gank (doesn't make sense) or the systems that I see them in are hard to get to or hard to get resources to (doesn't make sense as Jita & low sec routes are nearby)... maybe Macks just taste bad?

To answer some of the questions/points:

- this is just a lowly pirating alt who has not yet received enough skill & isk love from their main to take part in the competition this year Embarassed

- most people taking part in Hulkageddon seem to be doing it "professionally" meaning they're after raw points & kills rather than tears

-SBs would be preferred over dessies as they're usually in groups & it's "soloable" on a single machine

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.02.22 17:05:00 - [7]
 

This Hulkageddon whine thread went in a very different direction to the one I expected...

tagen young
Caldari
The Night Witch
Posted - 2011.02.22 17:07:00 - [8]
 


why stop doing something just because people are trying to kill you.

Keep an eye on your DS and play aligned and your chances of being suicided at a belt are pretty low.

Though I have to admit looking at the killboard, clearly many many people dont do that. Razz

Ramma Lamma DingDong
Posted - 2011.02.22 17:13:00 - [9]
 

Hulkageddon is this week? I had no idea.


Ziaxi
Posted - 2011.02.22 17:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong
Hulkageddon is this week? I had no idea.


you'd have thought there'd be some threads about it

Yer Mudder
Posted - 2011.02.22 18:06:00 - [11]
 

Yes, this is a thread related to Hulkageddon - there is no way to ask my question without naming the event.

No it is not a whine - it is asking a valid question as to why some ice fields seem unaffected by the event. I honestly cannot understand why - it is a mystery to me and someone here with experience here must know why.

If you don't have anything to contribute to a thread, or don't like threads related to Hulkageddon, then maybe you shouldn't post in them and might instead enjoy sticking your fingers in your ears (or other bodily orifices) and going "LALALALA!!!" instead... it's super fun!

Olthel
Posted - 2011.02.22 18:29:00 - [12]
 

it'd take too many people cleaning the ice belt, and it's not as cool if after you gank there's still 70 targets around, it's nice if the belt is clean after your murder.

Selune Virra
Posted - 2011.02.22 18:57:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Olthel
it'd take too many people cleaning the ice belt, and it's not as cool if after you gank there's still 70 targets around, it's nice if the belt is clean after your murder.


discoball thenYARRRR!!

Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Defenders of Pen Island
Posted - 2011.02.22 19:30:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Yer Mudder
Yes, this is a thread related to Hulkageddon - there is no way to ask my question without naming the event.

No it is not a whine - it is asking a valid question as to why some ice fields seem unaffected by the event. I honestly cannot understand why - it is a mystery to me and someone here with experience here must know why.

If you don't have anything to contribute to a thread, or don't like threads related to Hulkageddon, then maybe you shouldn't post in them and might instead enjoy sticking your fingers in your ears (or other bodily orifices) and going "LALALALA!!!" instead... it's super fun!


A variety of factors can influence the state of the belt; proximity to a trade hub or lowsec acces points for beginners, also most serious competitors tend to focus on small areas near their own base of operations.

Not many people are willing to travel extended amounts just to gank some miners and go home; as belts thin out near their homes they sometimes become much more mobile; Phil Macmannon, last year's winner eventually moved shack several times to rack up his truly impressive kill count.


Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.02.22 19:36:00 - [15]
 

I was wondering the same thing :D

Andrea Griffin
Posted - 2011.02.22 19:58:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Enord Loej
Correction: There is one ****ty award for getting a good hatemail. I'm sure everyone will focus on achieving that prize instead of going after a dozen AFK miners who wont do anything to thwart your gank.
You don't know if the award if good or bad until you see the contents of the Iteron. It is designed to be a play on the old Eve meme, "OMG I R LEEVING EVE 4E!" "Can I have your stuff?" So, every Hulkageddon, some lucky pilot finally gets to hear a "Yes, you can have my stuff!" It's magical in a way.

I'd be surprised if people are actually trying to get hate mail anyway. The forums were being flooded with BAW two months before the first shot was fired. People take this game too seriously.

Also, speaking of BAW, my feelings have been hurt. Sad

Max Nero
Endless Fury
Posted - 2011.02.22 21:29:00 - [17]
 

You have it all wrong - it is not that no one is ganking in these systems, it is that it takes literally less than 15 minutes for the bots to reship and get back to mining.

Malak Alraheem
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.22 22:27:00 - [18]
 

A secondary concern for the 'really full belts' is that CONCORD is already there from the last group of guys that attacked. They hang around for a while (an hour?) before they drift away. Not needing to warp in improves CONCORD's ability to quickly pop players, so they go for easier targets. This makes it a little more difficult for Geddon contestants to pick off the target.

Then again, the 'really full belts' are still spread out over 300+km of space.



Yer Mudder
Posted - 2011.02.22 22:43:00 - [19]
 

Thanks for the replies all - am starting to see now that there's numerous small factors at work, all conspiring together to create what I'm seeing... will prepare well in advance next competition to take advantage of what most competitors seem not to taking advantage of this time round Wink

Originally by: Malak Alraheem
A secondary concern for the 'really full belts' is that CONCORD is already there from the last group of guys that attacked. They hang around for a while (an hour?) before they drift away. Not needing to warp in improves CONCORD's ability to quickly pop players, so they go for easier targets. This makes it a little more difficult for Geddon contestants to pick off the target.
Ah yes, this is something else I wanted to ask - it this actually true or is it an urban legend?

I've heard people some say that Concord being present makes no difference to a gank as they spawn for each incident and that a spawn from one incident will not attack the people involved in another incident.

The idea of Concord acting quicker if they're already there makes sense to me but I've heard equal amounts of people come out in favor of both ideas ugh

Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
Black Sun Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.23 00:58:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 23/02/2011 00:58:42

Quote:
It is that Macks are harder to kill? Not worth it? Are these locations just harder to get to when your sec status is low?


No, Macks are easier to kill typically not having the slots or cpu for any kind of tank. They are worth an excess of 100mill.

Here's the reason which is very simple: Ice belts are spread out and fairly rare by comparison to standard ore belts. Unless you are looking at a map that points them out, you will have a hard time finding them You already know where some are but many pvpers never bother to find them; they don't mine..

SO fewer Suicide gankers hit the ice belts. Not to say they are not being hit.. but there are a lot more gankers in regular belts because they are plentiful.


TheReverend
Most Wanted INC
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.02.23 10:12:00 - [21]
 

I killed hulk with t2 rigs in Mitsolen like 6 months ago, not sure about time frame. He unlocked another hulk with t2 rigs one or two minutes later.

Zia Aiz
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.02.23 12:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Enord Loej
Edited by: Enord Loej on 22/02/2011 15:39:06
Last I checked, prizes were awarded for quantity of kills, not quality of tears.

Correction: There is one ****ty award for getting a good hatemail. I'm sure everyone will focus on achieving that prize instead of going after a dozen AFK miners who wont do anything to thwart your gank.


Oh sure, nobody is in it for the fun.

Dirk Decibel
Posted - 2011.02.23 13:48:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Max Nero
You have it all wrong - it is not that no one is ganking in these systems, it is that it takes literally less than 15 minutes for the bots to reship and get back to mining.


Seen several 0.5 ice belts without concord in caldari space, patrolling them a few times a day...

Enord Loej
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.02.23 14:32:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Barbara Nichole
Edited by: Barbara Nichole on 23/02/2011 00:58:42

Quote:
It is that Macks are harder to kill? Not worth it? Are these locations just harder to get to when your sec status is low?


No, Macks are easier to kill typically not having the slots or cpu for any kind of tank. They are worth an excess of 100mill.

Here's the reason which is very simple: Ice belts are spread out and fairly rare by comparison to standard ore belts. Unless you are looking at a map that points them out, you will have a hard time finding them You already know where some are but many pvpers never bother to find them; they don't mine..

SO fewer Suicide gankers hit the ice belts. Not to say they are not being hit.. but there are a lot more gankers in regular belts because they are plentiful.




http://evemaps.dotlan.net/map/The_Forge#belts

Go nuts.

Knokploeg
Posted - 2011.02.23 15:14:00 - [25]
 

Systems with ice belts are also clearly labeled on Ombeys 2D EVE maps. Can't imagine any pvp-er (any EVE player really) not being familiar with those.

Joe Skellington
Minmatar
Matari Legion Holding
Matari Legion
Posted - 2011.02.23 15:48:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jovan Geldon
This Hulkageddon whine thread went in a very different direction to the one I expected...


No one cares anymore, we laugh at the ******s doing it.

raney ilara
Posted - 2011.02.23 21:38:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Knokploeg
Systems with ice belts are also clearly labeled on Ombeys 2D EVE maps. Can't imagine any pvp-er (any EVE player really) not being familiar with those.


Really? Why couldn't you imagine that. Yes, they can be found on the map ... but not everyone looks or knows there are printed maps available. Heck, not 25% of the pop even bothers to come to the forums.

Teladius
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2011.02.23 21:47:00 - [28]
 

are macks much harder to kill than a covetor? i took out a covetor solo with a thorax

Kraal Jarik
Posted - 2011.02.23 22:17:00 - [29]
 

Personally, I doubt anyone is going after bots. Tears count more, as do expensive fits by people who think it's awesome to put Serpentis or Centii gear on their Hulks and Macks during Hulkageddon. There just isn't any fun in popping a bot.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2011.02.23 23:14:00 - [30]
 

Quote:

It is that Macks are harder to kill? Not worth it? Are these locations just harder to get to when your sec status is low?



No, I'll tell you the simple truth that seems to WOOOOSH above some one else's heads: Hulkageddon in the end is:

1) PR / tears / blah blah
2) T2 Hulk BPO owners paradise. They seem to have formed a cartel as well but it's not sure info.
3) Many industrialists and miners who stocked early paradise.

I won't talk about 1) because I can't care the less of people e-gasming on a hi sec industrial popping.

Point 2) instead is quite noticeable, if you look at prices they have boomed, even those forced to invent exhumers (vs having the BPO) are making some money ATM.

Point 3) is your topic. Many people - me included - generate lots of minerals / ice etc because they mission or AFK mine etc. Despite the latter (mining) is so poor ISK per hour, it's AFK-ness over many hours make money pile up enough that even losing 1 Hulk a day is not a big loss. Bots are created to pile up money over a long term, killing 1, 2 or even 10 ships is worthless to stop them.
In these days it's even better, every mined cycle in these days is worth 30% more than the rest of the year.
This is why you'll find happy bots in the face of this initiative: it is not relevant. Even when not botting, it's still not going to affect a lot. You'll lose like 4-5 ships a year but earn several billions.


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