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Dead Bait
Posted - 2011.02.20 06:38:00 - [1]
 

Seriously, I should be able to **** a buffer tanked raven starting at 25% shields (I know) in less than 10 volleys.

Did bombers get the nerf bat?

Missm Uppet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.20 10:02:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Missm Uppet on 20/02/2011 13:22:05
Really? Why should you be able to **** that BS that only has 25% shields left?

You're a single ship. You do one type of damage. He may be tanked for that damage type specifically. Your torp skills might suck as well as your ability to fit your ship to apply their DPS. You don't know what 25% is unless you know what his fit and skills are. Did you factor other forms of tank?

So no, we don't have much evidence from your post here to indicate that stealth bombers may have been "stealth-nerfed". We only have evidemce that you are mad bro Rolling Eyes

Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2011.02.20 12:29:00 - [3]
 

Maybe ravens got buffed?

Conor Todaki
Pure Evil Warriors
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.20 12:32:00 - [4]
 

Nope they feel the same to me.Confused

Perramas
Caldari
Pan Caldarian Ventures
Posted - 2011.02.20 13:20:00 - [5]
 

No but my Jboots are slower.

Dead Bait
Posted - 2011.02.20 19:49:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36
I was so ****ed when they nerfed journeyman boots.


But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig.
I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber.

An opinion of mine is all, and I was asking a serious question. No need to troll.

It has been a bit since I roamed as a bomber, I just remember being able to do a lot more damage against battle ships.

Arrakis Shai
Caldari
Deja Vu Holding
Posted - 2011.02.20 20:25:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dead Bait
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I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists)


Just my 2 cents, but with the angels firing at my strongest natural resists, I'd be more inclined to put on invulns than to tank for specific types. Especially if there was a chance of someone jumping me.Very Happy

Daneel Trevize
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.20 20:37:00 - [8]
 

AB BS, or ganglinks to help sig & speed??

3 14rate
Posted - 2011.02.20 22:08:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: 3 14rate on 20/02/2011 22:10:16
Originally by: Dead Bait

I was using faction thermal torps...



Were you in a Nemesis? If not then that is your problem. Each SB gets a torpedo dmg bonus to its race-specific damage to the tune of 15%/level of CovOps. (Amarr-EM, Gallente-Thermal, etc.) So, of course, using the wrong torps neuters your fit. Hope this helps.

Batelle
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2011.02.21 01:14:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Dead Bait
Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36

But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig.
I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber.



since shields are naturally good against explo, he could have just been running 2x invulns.

Mocam
Posted - 2011.02.21 03:16:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Dead Bait
Edited by: Dead Bait on 20/02/2011 19:53:36
I was so ****ed when they nerfed journeyman boots.


But it just seems odd, all torp skills are 4 at least. fit contains 1 ballistic control II, plus 1 rate of fire rig and 1 damage rig.
I was using faction thermal torps against a raven that was buffer tanked and fighting arch angels ( so assumed exp + kinetic resists) and was hitting for <500 a volley... to me that seems like really bad dps for the role of a stealth bomber.

An opinion of mine is all, and I was asking a serious question. No need to troll.

It has been a bit since I roamed as a bomber, I just remember being able to do a lot more damage against battle ships.


Faction Thermal - So a Nemesis. If not - you were using the wrong torps.

STANDARD torps, on a bonused SB, will do more damage than off-type faction torps. As such I'll assume you knew that and fit it with the right torps. If not - drop the following resist number by quite a bit. You would be lucky to hit 2700 alpha.

I'm not sure how much damage would be without specifics to the situation applied but here's about where your break point would be: Torp skills at 4, covert ops at 4, 1 BC II... roughly 3500 damage per volley *max*... Roughly 85% "effective" resists on him against thermal. This will get you to the 500 range for how much you land per volley.

Fairly high resists for a Raven but quite doable.

Qui Rune
Posted - 2011.02.21 12:52:00 - [12]
 

I hate to hijack...

But is it true that you do not get Torp bonus' on a SB when using faction Torps??

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.02.21 13:24:00 - [13]
 

no you are all wrong.

25% itself got buffed and is now equal to 67% before the buff, but onviously is still called 25% because changing the name too would confuse people.

i hope this has helped.

Missm Uppet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.21 17:10:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Missm Uppet on 21/02/2011 17:44:54
Originally by: Qui Rune
I hate to hijack...

But is it true that you do not get Torp bonus' on a SB when using faction Torps??


Faction torps do get bonuses from the ship. What the poster above was saying is that the bonus to faction torps is less important than firing the right kind of damage in a SB. The SB for each race gets a 15% dmg bonus per level of cov-ops ship skill, which means that the real damage potential of these ships lies in firing the damage type that they are bonused for.

Celeste Benal
Posted - 2011.02.22 06:35:00 - [15]
 

Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong.

Missm Uppet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.22 07:07:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Missm Uppet on 22/02/2011 08:17:48
Edited by: Missm Uppet on 22/02/2011 07:08:51
Originally by: Celeste Benal
Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong.


We were discussing the attacking ship's bonus to damage, you're bringing the typical resistvity of the defending ship into the equation. While your statement is important to consider, it is not as important as the damage bonus.

Smart Bomb
Caldari
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2011.02.26 07:36:00 - [17]
 

Send me a mail in game Dead Bait.

Dalomar Avalhar
Posted - 2011.02.28 14:00:00 - [18]
 

Hi
Why dont just ask the guy, or remember to ask about the res. next time you encounter someone. They might or might not tell you ;)
In my experience its a good way to analyze the outcome and you will gain some more experience on the matter. If its someone your are likely to encounter again they might not tell you :)

Btw were you in 0.0? if you were you should have bombed him first.

Heres a guide to stealth bombers its pretty good, you can take want you want and leave the rest? but note its for fleets not solo as it doesnt have a point. http://amerrylifeandashortone.blogspot.com/2010/08/stealth-bomber-guide.html

if you want to go solo read this instead http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1202308/page/1

Droidster
Posted - 2011.02.28 16:55:00 - [19]
 

Yes! And it was a STEALTH nerf!

King Sieve
Posted - 2011.03.16 20:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Perramas
No but my Jboots are slower.


Classic!

AstarothPrime
Posted - 2011.03.18 08:41:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Celeste Benal
Translation: If you're shooting Caldari ships in anything other than a Purifier, you're doing it wrong.


Bring it on, wohooo, I dwell in sansha part of space - the hell ill even fleet ya so u have no trouble finding me and my caldari ratter.

Regards

I.

Izuru Hishido
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.30 03:16:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Perramas
No but my Jboots are slower.


My switchblade is slower too, maybe they nerfed them too.

Sajeera
Posted - 2011.03.30 14:52:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: 3 14rate
Edited by: 3 14rate on 20/02/2011 22:10:16
Originally by: Dead Bait

I was using faction thermal torps...



Were you in a Nemesis? If not then that is your problem. Each SB gets a torpedo dmg bonus to its race-specific damage to the tune of 15%/level of CovOps. (Amarr-EM, Gallente-Thermal, etc.) So, of course, using the wrong torps neuters your fit. Hope this helps.




I think after this post the OP realized why he hits for 500 and ran away embarrassed Very Happy

Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Posted - 2011.03.30 21:47:00 - [24]
 


Another random thought....

Are you sure the raven was passive tanked? And are you sure he wasn't pimped... I've run into a lot of ratting NC ships that pimp themselves out with Dread Guerista's IF and the like... Also, had he finished off the other NPC's shooting him? Without their additional dps, sometimes a sb's dps isn't enough!

Baron Munchousen
Posted - 2011.03.31 13:12:00 - [25]
 

Hmm, went for a coffee and completely forgot what I was going to say.

Normally I would do some trolling about now, but I really can't be bothered.
Have a nice day.


 

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