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9toes
Posted - 2011.02.18 15:54:00 - [1]
 

Does anyone ever try to Tank a Hull? Is it worth trying?

Space Tarantula Haklar
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:37:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: 9toes
Does anyone ever try to Tank a Hull? Is it worth trying?


If you meant "using hull repairers", the answer is definitely no.


Alua Oresson
V I R I I
Posted - 2011.02.18 16:45:00 - [3]
 

You need to get your Elite hull tanking Certificate first, but yes, real PVPers hull tank.


Quote:
This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is.


Hashpipe Malone
Posted - 2011.02.18 17:16:00 - [4]
 

Hull tanking stealth bombers is win

GyokZoli
Caldari
Sanctum of Citizens
Posted - 2011.02.18 17:21:00 - [5]
 

I can imagine a hull buffer tanking bait Orca (damage control + reinforced bulkheads), but that's pretty much all since the performance of the hull repairer is next to nothing.
The orca ha a huge amount of structure HP, that's why a buffer tank looks reasonable. But why would anyone use an expensive ship like an Orca for bait?

Soul Nommer
Posted - 2011.02.18 18:46:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: GyokZoli
I can imagine a hull buffer tanking bait Orca (damage control + reinforced bulkheads), but that's pretty much all since the performance of the hull repairer is next to nothing.
The orca ha a huge amount of structure HP, that's why a buffer tank looks reasonable. But why would anyone use an expensive ship like an Orca for bait?


Balls.

Lazarann
Ideal Machine
Posted - 2011.02.18 19:06:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Soul Nommer
Originally by: GyokZoli
I can imagine a hull buffer tanking bait Orca (damage control + reinforced bulkheads), but that's pretty much all since the performance of the hull repairer is next to nothing.
The orca ha a huge amount of structure HP, that's why a buffer tank looks reasonable. But why would anyone use an expensive ship like an Orca for bait?


Balls.


I recall reading a while back about some people using a freighter in low sec as bait with a good deal of success. Can't see why an Orca wouldn't be just as good, if not better. Stick some gang mods on it.

ScottyDosn'tKnow
Divine Power.
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2011.02.18 19:15:00 - [8]
 

I have seen som fun looking fits for hull tanking a Taranis.

Amaha Masane
Caldari
Avalon Advanced Research and Development
Eclectic Collective
Posted - 2011.02.18 19:55:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: 9toes
Does anyone ever try to Tank a Hull?


Err...I wouldn't so much say "try" as say "end up" in regards to hull tanking. Also remember, some people think fitting a DCII is hull tanking.

Originally by:
Is it worth trying?


Depends. Follow this simple checklist:

Are you-

1. bait
2. Gallente
3. both

If you score 1 or higher, hull tankiing is worth it. If you score 3, hull tanking is definately worth it...and you get to have a cookie

Seriously, they should change that certificate's name from "hull tanking-elite rank" to "voluntary target goading Masochist-Ballz of steel rank"

Tony SoXai
Posted - 2011.02.18 23:28:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tony SoXai on 18/02/2011 23:28:28
You can hull tank a lot of ships, here's a list of the ones I've used.

Taranis
Enyo
Catalyst
Thorax

Gallente have lots of hull hp generally so that's why they're good at it. Reinforced bulkheads slow you down quite a bit but it's just hilarious hulltanking.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2011.02.19 00:09:00 - [11]
 

/me looks at signature
YARRRR!!

Xina Tutor
Amarr
Black Arrows
Sev3rance
Posted - 2011.02.19 00:27:00 - [12]
 

I hull tank my freighter.

Fulbert
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.19 00:54:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: 9toes
Does anyone ever try to Tank a Hull? Is it worth trying?


Hull tank, no, hull buffer, yes. I saw here some funny Dominix bait setups, based on massive hull HPs.

Diomidis
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2011.02.19 01:35:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Diomidis on 19/02/2011 01:36:16
The vast majority of frigs used in PVP effectively (buffer) hull tank for nearly 50-70% of their EHP, unless it's a frig that can fit a 400mm RT or MSE.

The most famous example of such a tank is the Taranis, which as mentioned before has more than half its EHP in hull.

Hull buffer tanks that can bait people pretty hard, are the Domi and the Navy Mega.

The Domi can do 100k EHP with bulkwards + a DC II, leaving all the mids for tackle / cap boosters and the highs for neuts etc, while giving pain with drones...not brilliant, but effective setup.

The Mega Navy can break the 200K EHP (about 220K with trimarks) with a full-low slot hull tank, and could be extremely effective, as people are attracted as magnets to keep firing on a faction BS which has reached hull dmg no-matter what! Keep in mind that without good intel, a blob big enough can bring anything down tho...

Also for Capitals, being the orca or anything bigger, leaving a DC out of your fit is the worst thing you can do tank wise, unless we are talking some spec. triage carrier or so.

Unfortunately Hull reppers are painfully slow and ineffective to use during combat, so don't try it.

Daergaar
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.19 01:38:00 - [15]
 

Hull buffers I've seen. Although active hull tanking doesn't work. Hull reppers suck, they're basically there to save you repair money.

Mocam
Posted - 2011.02.19 11:47:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tony SoXai
Edited by: Tony SoXai on 18/02/2011 23:28:28
You can hull tank a lot of ships, here's a list of the ones I've used.

Taranis
Enyo
Catalyst
Thorax

Gallente have lots of hull hp generally so that's why they're good at it. Reinforced bulkheads slow you down quite a bit but it's just hilarious hulltanking.


Play with a Moros some time. You can get to over 3 million EHP with it just fitting bulkheads and a DC II on it.

andeira
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:26:00 - [17]
 

this is the situation: That group of low sec scum has been camping the gate for the last week and all they do is pick easy targets and escape. This makes you mad but because they run when you enter there is nothing you can do. Suddenly one of your friends gets a great idea: Let's buffer tank on of our industrials Shocked

So after playing in eft you decide this fit should do the trick.

[Bustard, hull tank]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II

[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

It got 77k ehp and 50 of that in hull and who is not gonna kill an industrial in hull?

So your friend jumps in his bustard like a ******ed noob without scout and fall in the 5 man industrial killing gatecamp. He then proceeds to re approach the gate like every dumb industrial that jumped into a gatecamp.
The enemy sees he is buffer tanked on his shields and they start to smile as soon as his shields drop below 10% now you and your friends jump in. They see his armor melt and think: One more shot and he is dead and we are outa here.
But then he hits hull and it isn't making any progress at all. Around this time they might realise they are screwed and your tacklers got points on the bad guy's.
To bad some of them escaped but the juicy machariel that tried to bump you of the gate died in a horrible ball of fire.

mission succesfull

Captain Nares
Posted - 2011.02.19 18:26:00 - [18]
 

Kil2 showed bait hull tanked Navy Mega in one of his movies.

Hulltanked Dominix works too.

PS Such ships as Taranis, Thorax, etc are buffer-tanked, not hull tanked.

Glamur
Posted - 2011.02.21 13:44:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Captain Nares
Kil2 showed bait hull tanked Navy Mega in one of his movies.

Hulltanked Dominix works too.

PS Such ships as Taranis, Thorax, etc are buffer-tanked, not hull tanked.


Can you give a link on that movie?
thx!

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 17:56:00 - [20]
 

Hull tanking makes CCP cry lo

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 18:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: 9toes
Does anyone ever try to Tank a Hull? Is it worth trying?


lol 9 toes
...an three balls

9toes
Posted - 2011.02.22 13:02:00 - [22]
 

Thank you all for the responses:)

Jaxley
The Tuskers
Posted - 2011.02.22 15:06:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Jaxley on 22/02/2011 15:06:48
Don't forget the mighty BATTAL HELIOS. That one was actually a close fight I got to witness.

It's got more hull HP than a Taranis. Cool

Gentle Glide
0utbreak
Outbreak.
Posted - 2011.02.23 15:37:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: andeira
this is the situation: That group of low sec scum has been camping the gate for the last week and all they do is pick easy targets and escape. This makes you mad but because they run when you enter there is nothing you can do. Suddenly one of your friends gets a great idea: Let's buffer tank on of our industrials Shocked

So after playing in eft you decide this fit should do the trick.

[Bustard, hull tank]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Faint Warp Disruptor I
Large Shield Extender II
Photon Scattering Field II

[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I

It got 77k ehp and 50 of that in hull and who is not gonna kill an industrial in hull?

So your friend jumps in his bustard like a ******ed noob without scout and fall in the 5 man industrial killing gatecamp. He then proceeds to re approach the gate like every dumb industrial that jumped into a gatecamp.
The enemy sees he is buffer tanked on his shields and they start to smile as soon as his shields drop below 10% now you and your friends jump in. They see his armor melt and think: One more shot and he is dead and we are outa here.
But then he hits hull and it isn't making any progress at all. Around this time they might realise they are screwed and your tacklers got points on the bad guy's.
To bad some of them escaped but the juicy machariel that tried to bump you of the gate died in a horrible ball of fire.

mission succesfull


So you jump into gatecamps often rocking a machariel but they cant drop 77k EHP quickly? Alright.


 

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