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achura zakone
Posted - 2011.02.17 11:20:00 - [61]
 

first day after the patch one corp mate was ratting in a vaga. found brokara and died in 3 seconds. he was pointed and neuted. took 2 mach's and vaga and a drake to take her down. second vaga had to warp away in hull after second hit. i dont want to imagine how chelm is tanking and hitting. for those guys complaining that they found 1 officer in 4 years.... you're doing it wrong. i got brokara twice in a week and in the same day with this new patch my corp mates got brokara and selynne. another guy even got 2 officer spawns 2 hours away from each other in the same system and the funny part is that system has only one belt - guys in venal knows prolly which one.

monkfish1234
Caldari
The Knights of Spamalot
Posted - 2011.02.17 12:20:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: monkfish1234
officer rats are still pretty easy as long as your in a ship that can tank triple bs from belts.

I killed kaikka in a myrm a few days ago, bigger issue was having the dps to kill it rather than tanking it's damage, but 5 hammerhead 2's got me there in the end.

Except the minor fact that you met an officer before they were "improved".


unless they were improved in incursion 1.2 the no it was after the supposed improvement. and yes he was still easy to kill.

here is the ship i was in.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.17 12:33:00 - [63]
 

Heh, weak tank on this ship yeah but still.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.17 12:55:00 - [64]
 

A question:
the guys that have fought the 2new" officers have checked the kind of damage they do and the resistance holes or they have kept to the principle "they are of faction X, so they do A and B damage and are weak against A damage"?

The easiest and more logic way to boost them would have been to give them more or less uniform resistances and variable damage in the form of missiles or variable ammunitions for autocannons.

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2011.02.17 13:11:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: monkfish1234

unless they were improved in incursion 1.2



Yes.

Saarinn
Posted - 2011.02.17 16:00:00 - [66]
 

Just took down brokara but lost a cane and an ishtar in the process. he neuts up to 50k now, switches targets about every 30 seconds or so. were able to finally finish him with an ishtar and 2 rr tengus. Best thing to do would be keep range it seems, my sleeper tank tengu went down to 50% shield since brokara turned my hardeners off with his neut. But was able to get the other tengu close enough to rep. I did notice that he had a hell of a shield tank not so much armor and then structure took a while.

KWyz
Posted - 2011.02.17 16:38:00 - [67]
 

I do believe the people that complain about not being able to solo an officer spawn anymore, i'm sure there's plenty of REAL persons who actually rat for the love of it( I used to play Diablo 2, where one of my favourite activities was fishing for items - the same thing bots did).

So please don't take offense when I imagine this scenario: some NPC with his ship fit like DHB Wildcat in his days of glory videos, laughing maniacally as he pops ratters one after the other, until the only way to take him down is hotdropping caps on his ass.

Double the fun if the NPC is actually actively controlled by a GM and loves to **** up someone's so-called lucky day.

I believe that this buff immediately affects botting ravens, probably to the point that the bot ends up with a script telling him to steer clear of the system with the officer in(even though logic dictates it'll just be replaced with a script where the bot sends an SMS to its owner, telling him to bring a gang :( ).

If their spawn rate is increased, there's a chance this will encourage ratters to group more often, possibly encouraging small gangs?

I know sometimes 0.0 feels like everyone and their distant cousin of their ant's nephew with a lovely singing voice is piloting a supercap while frothing at the mouth for kills, but i doubt many people would risk anything bigger than a carrier for such a spawn. And sincer this is Hotdrop Online, whoever brings a carrier brings the plague with him.

But yeah, solo hostile ratters are pretty much ****ed.And i'm not so sure I dislike that.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.02.17 16:42:00 - [68]
 

i wouldnt say the risk is anywhere near the reward from the accounts so far, but its certinly better than a very slightly tougher belt rat like it has been for 7 years.

good job ccp about time Surprised

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.17 17:50:00 - [69]
 

When we see rats that passively targets ships with mining lasers active and jam their mining lasers from a distance as well as rats that carry smart bombs specifically designed to kill drones, then I'll giggle.

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.02.17 18:05:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
Edited by: Copine Callmeknau on 16/02/2011 05:05:56
Originally by: Gaius BaItar
Just found one in my tengu.
I hardly scratched his shields with fury heavy missiles.
Damage received was bad enough that I had to warp out.

I changed ships, back in a golem.
Slowly, I finally got him, but had to warp out once and wait for my shields to boost back up.

That's how hard they are now. Shocked


More time consuming != more difficult
Until they add tackle to officer spawns, this is no more risky/difficult than a lvl 1 mish.


QFT

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.02.17 18:07:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Ganthrithor
Edited by: Ganthrithor on 16/02/2011 09:43:54
Originally by: James Tiberius Kirk
CCP, sleeper AI and stats on ALL rats please.


Gallente players get out, amirite?


e: also its gonna be p funny when you find an officer but then the spawn warps out in the time it takes you to round up the four other people necessary to killaving it. What a stupid change, officers should be soloable by a well-fit BS / T3. Belt ratting is not a group activity.


Having done solo sleeper sites in C3s while using drones, I say balderdash. Drones ships can do sites, you just have to micromanage the drones, and you know what? you lose some, just as you expend hybrid ammo, or shoot missiles. It is the cost of doing business. Can you launch a flight of heavies and do fine solo? No not really, but find me a solo fight where you can. In a fleet of two ships, you can much easier launch those heavies with a lot less trouble.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.17 19:04:00 - [72]
 

so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again.
After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over.

I can never be what I was again.
Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper.

I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.02.17 19:46:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again.
After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over.

I can never be what I was again.
Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper.

I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on


Stop playing to earn money, and start playing to hurt people. Eve gets way more fun.

Airu Naari
The Noxious
Posted - 2011.02.17 19:47:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Airu Naari on 17/02/2011 19:47:22
Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Originally by: Ephemeron
so it seems to be true. I will never be able to kill another officer spawn again.
After years of officer hunting, making billions in loot and spending it on faction fitted bs and t3 ships to be used for solo PvP, it's all over.

I can never be what I was again.
Now I got the option of joining some big alliance and becoming an obedient soldier or continuing poor and meaningless existence as obsolete solo pvper.

I tried enjoying this game despite all the **** CCP does to it, but they just don't stop. Maybe it's time to move on


Stop playing to earn money, and start playing to hurt people. Eve gets way more fun.


I think he was playing to make money so he would be able to hurt people with style, with faction/deadspace modules fitted on his pvp vessels :D

36 Degrees
Socha Industrials
Posted - 2011.02.19 12:15:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: 36 Degrees on 19/02/2011 12:36:45
[ 2011.02.19 12:02:49 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Scourge Fury Heavy Missile hits Guristas Obliterator, doing 1013.8 damage.
[ 2011.02.19 12:02:30 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Juggernaut Torpedo belonging to Guristas hits you, doing 12.0 damage.


[ 2011.02.19 11:58:48 ] (combat) <color=0xffbbbb00>Your group of Scourge Fury Heavy Missile hits Kaikka Peunato, doing 223.4 damage.
[ 2011.02.19 12:05:23 ] (combat) <color=0xffbb6600>Dread Guristas Wrath Cruise Missile belonging to Guristas hits you, doing 155.6 damage.


Summary

Could tank Kaikka ok from 60km away (tengu 92%kin 80%therm resists)Could hardly make the slightest dent in his shield. Rolling Eyes

EDIT:- Realised I had some EM missiles on me so went back to test them, 12:34:35
Combat
Your group of Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile hits Kaikka Peunato, doing 378.0 damage.

So EM doing more damage but still hardly denting his shields



Eribisius
Posted - 2011.02.19 16:04:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Kitty McKitty
You can still solo them.


WTF is up with your neck? No seriously, was there some genetic tampering or what? Or are you the love child of Mr. Fantastic and one of those bendable, flexible, poseable chinese acrobats? Seriously, it's starting to creep me the f*ck out!

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.02.19 16:37:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Pan Crastus on 19/02/2011 16:37:15
Originally by: Lt Angus
took me 3 years to find 1 and they want to make it harder Laughing


I've been playing on/off since 2003 on 2 chars and the closest I got to killing one was someone in the same alliance getting killed by roamers in the system I was in with an officer on the killmail ...

Illectroculus Defined
No Bull Ships
Posted - 2011.02.19 21:07:00 - [78]
 

Well I can say I wholeheartedly approve. Now we just need the similar changes to all faction belt rats, give em sleeper AI, make them work with the other rats in their spawn and either give them scrams, or make them smart enough to warp out when they're in structure.

In the past I've been lucky enough to go AFK while mining and return to find that my drones have killed a Shadow Serpentis frigate and now have a fancy pirate implant that's worth more than all the ore I would mine. This shouldn't happen, at the very least it should leave before it dies, and if it's got enough firepower it should kill my drones and then me.


Scuttle Bunny
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:03:00 - [79]
 

any stats on them yet, wud a single tengu given enuf time be able to break their tanks?

Femaref
Armageddon Day
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:12:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Scuttle Bunny
any stats on them yet, wud a single tengu given enuf time be able to break their tanks?


No.

Encountered Tobias yesterday - 4900 damage @ 70km on cynabal mwd on no transversal, 4300 damage @ 70 mwd off high transversal, 3500 damage @ 170km mwd off high transversal.

Took U'K two sleipnirs and a scimitar to kill it, the scimitar had to warp once which forced one of the sleipnirs to warp as well - total time 10 minutes.

have fun with your solo tengu.

Scuttle Bunny
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:26:00 - [81]
 

oh, that sucks, damn u ccp

JitaPriceChecker2
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:35:00 - [82]
 

Bots cant kill officers now.

FU CCP ugh

FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.03.04 18:56:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Bots cant kill officers now.

FU CCP ugh

they'll just fit cynos on all them ravens and have a carrier bot on standbyLaughing

Femaref
Armageddon Day
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2011.03.04 19:06:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: FlameGlow
Originally by: JitaPriceChecker2
Bots cant kill officers now.

FU CCP ugh

they'll just fit cynos on all them ravens and have a carrier bot on standbyLaughing


You are laughing, I see that as a real possibility.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.03.04 23:05:00 - [85]
 

Ya so I got tuvan. Tuvan killed a raven, 2 drakes, and a cane before hitting my like 2000dps passive shield ishtar. Then consider the loot tables... tuvan has only 3 good modules out of the like 20 tuvan modules. Because frankly X-type stuff is better. Moreover, NO TUVAN MODULES EVEN DROPPED.

So they have tons of dps where you pretty much have to have 1 of like 3 passive shield tanking ships in order not to die or a capital ship.

So 9/10 legit ratters are newbs who cant do the good anoms. 1/10 are the ratters who ratted for the chance of officers.

So literally here's what has happened.

The 9/10 legit ratters are just going to avoid the **** out of officers.
The 1/10 those looking for officers cant solo anymore really... so they have all gone to exploring for complexes.

Bots took some time to adapt. Apparently they autodetect and avoid officers and like convo or evemail the owner of the bot. Who is rich from botting and they drop a nyx on the officer.

In the end. Supply is going dry and when the giant supplies clean up. Eventually the only people really making any isk from officers will be bots.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.03.04 23:39:00 - [86]
 

I had 2 officers since the patch and talked to someone who had Estamel

The Estamel was killed with stealth bomber + Ishtar combo.
I killed my officers with Damnation + Kronos combo, which was overkill

Basically, officers can be killed with 2 people, especially if 1 of them is buffer tanking battlecruiser or less. The trick is to get right on top of it first, as at close range with some traverse, the officer damage is reduced significantly.
Cap injector is pretty much a must if you got active tank and weapons.

Officer does about 1200 damage and uses 3 heavy neuts, with long range web. Officer tank is maybe 500, so with 800 dps it can be broken (with 2 ships that 400 dps each, which is reasonable).

Officers don't warp scramble, so as long as you stay aligned you can always escape safely. Only stupid people will lose a ship to an officer

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2011.03.05 00:01:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Jason Edwards on 05/03/2011 00:02:27
Originally by: monkfish1234

unless they were improved in incursion 1.2 the no it was after the supposed improvement. and yes he was still easy to kill.

here is the ship i was in.


Looking at that... you havent met a new officer. Every single race officer would have easily ****d that myrm. If you were in sansha space, you wouldnt be able to do any dps to the officer. If you were in bloods space, you wouldnt be able to tank. If you were in guristas space, you wouldnt be able to lock long enough to break the tank before you died. serps get into range and ur dead with so much dps they have.

Airu Naari
The Noxious
Posted - 2011.03.05 01:23:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
I had 2 officers since the patch and talked to someone who had Estamel

The Estamel was killed with stealth bomber + Ishtar combo.
I killed my officers with Damnation + Kronos combo, which was overkill

Basically, officers can be killed with 2 people, especially if 1 of them is buffer tanking battlecruiser or less. The trick is to get right on top of it first, as at close range with some traverse, the officer damage is reduced significantly.
Cap injector is pretty much a must if you got active tank and weapons.

Officer does about 1200 damage and uses 3 heavy neuts, with long range web. Officer tank is maybe 500, so with 800 dps it can be broken (with 2 ships that 400 dps each, which is reasonable).

Officers don't warp scramble, so as long as you stay aligned you can always escape safely. Only stupid people will lose a ship to an officer


Glad to hear you're still rollin ^^
I unfortunately only saw Kaikka, but couldn't kill him in my SB, and didn't have anyone to report it cause all of my RL friends stopped playing. So probably one of the VIRII/Morsus Mihi guys got him

/cry

Five 0ne
Posted - 2011.03.05 13:00:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Five 0ne on 05/03/2011 13:01:40
Edited by: Five 0ne on 05/03/2011 13:01:13
so here i was ratting in my legion, when all of a sudden i land on Brokara and 4 BS escorts , my first officer, ooh goodie let`s take a screenshot or two... 10 seconds later i realise i`m at 0 cap, so had to bail fast. tried several attempts to get her, but i barely scratched her shields by the time i had to warp out. this is the damage she does , 85% EM resist, 83% thermal resist :

>Brokara Ryver lightly hits you, doing 546.5 damage.
>Brokara Ryver hits you, doing 764.8 damage.
>Brokara Ryver aims well at you, inflicting 907.8 damage.Rolling Eyes
>Paradise Cruise Missile belonging to True Power hits you, doing 10.8 damage.

her neut range is at least 30km,web at least 12km range

i`m wondering, are all the officers the same in terms of dps done/dps tanked/neut range? or are there "harder" ones than this? would appreciate if anyone else who encountered one would check the logs



Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.03.05 20:33:00 - [90]
 

The factional spawn is still too easy. Making them harder will be nice also.


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