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Karontin Maysubile
Posted - 2011.02.13 22:17:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Karontin Maysubile on 14/02/2011 02:42:55
This is one of my alts. I don't spend a lot of time in game, but I have unlimited monthly bandwidth and a spare computer on which to run Eve. I have trained this character to fly a cloaky frigate, which took me less than a day of training.

I'll be flying this character out to nullsec and sitting cloaked and AFK whenever I am not using my main, which is about 20 hours per day. I'll also be jumping around and making tours of every suspected botting system to prevent them from adding me to their blue list.

If 100 of us all do the same thing we can hit their bottom line like a train. They'll be unable to function with so many hostiles just sitting in their systems. I highly encourage you all to use your spare characters for this purpose as often as you are not in the game.

Step 1: Create a new character
Step 2: Train Electronics to IV and cloaking to I
Step 3: Go to your star map and color the stars by Pirates and Police ships destroyed in the last 24 hours
Step 3: pick a constellation in the Eastern or Northern part part of New Eden where the colored stars are brighter and mouse over them. For instance, 5-VFC6 has over 1200 Faction ships destroyed in the last 24 hours. Anything over 500 is unusual. Avoid station systems and highly populated systems.
Step 4: Try to get your cloaky frigate out there, make a safe spot and cloak. Go to school/work, come back, play Eve on your main, and when your done log back into your alt.
Step 5: If it appears they have acclimated to your presence, train enough skills to get in something with enough damage to take them down. If they added you to a whitelist they won't run when you attack them and without a human at the helm, won't fight back. You just need a cruiser or something to blow them up.

Eden Love
Posted - 2011.02.13 22:20:00 - [2]
 

Good Idea.

Please give short instruction what to do from zero.

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.13 22:28:00 - [3]
 

Ahh man, I was hoping for a threat to DDoS other users.

THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:38:00 - [4]
 

We should have a player driven event for this every year. Laughing

Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:42:00 - [5]
 

What we need is a priority list of systems for the various regions, and a big old sign up sheet, then everyone make an alt with cloakiness, and go out there and sit, as many hours a day as we can.

Karontin Maysubile
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:45:00 - [6]
 

Updated Op with basic instructions. Personally, I will be making rounds in the 2Q-8WA constellation.

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:53:00 - [7]
 

How does a low skill pilot in a frig actually get out through the bubbles and gate camps? Or is it not that big an issue?

Also its been suggested to use the ecm frig of your choice and mount 3 ECCM units. Makes the frig practically unfindable with scan probes

THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Vincent Athena
How does a low skill pilot in a frig actually get out through the bubbles and gate camps? Or is it not that big an issue?

Also its been suggested to use the ecm frig of your choice and mount 3 ECCM units. Makes the frig practically unfindable with scan probes


This would be funny to do. Sit in the middle of nowhere and watch the probe try to find u while u laugh at them, then they will start raging.

Karontin Maysubile
Posted - 2011.02.13 23:57:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Karontin Maysubile on 13/02/2011 23:58:38
You could, but a cloak is easier to train. As far as getting into nullsec, just avoid any main routes. There are plenty of connecting systems between lowsec and nullsec which are almost always unguarded. Color your stars to ships destroyed in the last hour and you can plan a route to avoid the camps.

Originally by: THERisingPHOENIX
Originally by: Vincent Athena
How does a low skill pilot in a frig actually get out through the bubbles and gate camps? Or is it not that big an issue?

Also its been suggested to use the ecm frig of your choice and mount 3 ECCM units. Makes the frig practically unfindable with scan probes


This would be funny to do. Sit in the middle of nowhere and watch the probe try to find u while u laugh at them, then they will start raging.


They do attempt to insult you, but they have only a basic understanding of the English language. It's actually pretty funny.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 00:31:00 - [10]
 

the only sure way to make a dent in botting is to remove the alliances that patron them; however with around 60,000 members nc is pretty much unmovable

THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 00:35:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
the only sure way to make a dent in botting is to remove the alliances that patron them; however with around 60,000 members nc is pretty much unmovable


Then maybe they should start at Drone Region then first :D? Theres not much for them to shoot at now since IT is gone, might as well head south...

Eden Love
Posted - 2011.02.14 00:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
the only sure way to make a dent in botting is to remove the alliances that patron them; however with around 60,000 members nc is pretty much unmovable


You think NC is actively promoting bots?
And how much do you guys think the big alliances rely on bots? If botting would be not existent anymore would they become problems financing/supplying their wars/territory?

Richard Christy
Posted - 2011.02.14 01:24:00 - [13]
 

There's a whole corp devoted to this, the thread's somewhere about here.

Catheryn Martobi
Posted - 2011.02.14 01:55:00 - [14]
 

The Eastern Russian corps are more of a problem than NC. RMT is a big incentive for botting, which mostly occurs in Russia and China.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 01:57:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Soma Khan on 14/02/2011 02:01:31


Originally by: THERisingPHOENIX
Originally by: Soma Khan
the only sure way to make a dent in botting is to remove the alliances that patron them; however with around 60,000 members nc is pretty much unmovable


Then maybe they should start at Drone Region then first :D? Theres not much for them to shoot at now since IT is gone, might as well head south...

while dr bots are mostly producing minerals, the nc bots are producing massive amounts of isk ruining eve's economy. if the op is serious about fighting botters and rmt the only way to go is north

though i suspect the op is nothing but another nc shill playing with smoke and mirrors

Originally by: Catheryn Martobi
The Eastern Russian corps are more of a problem than NC. RMT is a big incentive for botting, which mostly occurs in Russia and China.

is that why one of the biggest self-proclaimed botter and rmt'er advertised on evenews24 is italian? methinks you're full of ****

Karontin Maysubile
Posted - 2011.02.14 02:46:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
Edited by: Soma Khan on 14/02/2011 02:01:31


Originally by: THERisingPHOENIX
Originally by: Soma Khan
the only sure way to make a dent in botting is to remove the alliances that patron them; however with around 60,000 members nc is pretty much unmovable


Then maybe they should start at Drone Region then first :D? Theres not much for them to shoot at now since IT is gone, might as well head south...

while dr bots are mostly producing minerals, the nc bots are producing massive amounts of isk ruining eve's economy. if the op is serious about fighting botters and rmt the only way to go is north

though i suspect the op is nothing but another nc shill playing with smoke and mirrors

Originally by: Catheryn Martobi
The Eastern Russian corps are more of a problem than NC. RMT is a big incentive for botting, which mostly occurs in Russia and China.

is that why one of the biggest self-proclaimed botter and rmt'er advertised on evenews24 is italian? methinks you're full of ****


I edited my OP to be less selective, but I'm not going to say 'just go north.' For all I know you're a Russki trying to get us to attack your enemies.

If you have an example constellation that is rife with bots, please say so and I will put a list of suggested targets in the OP, but don't discriminate, let the numbers talk.

Also, please post your source for that Italian RMT guy, should be an interesting read.

Miss President
Caldari
SOLARIS ASTERIUS
Posted - 2011.02.14 03:04:00 - [17]
 

fail idea is fail.

Reason:

1. There are lots of players quitting over CCP's inaction over BOTs
2. You can only assume someone a bot, but in reality can be real player struggling to survive and unable to compete with bots. You may make them quit.
3. Let CCP deal with BOTs or ruin EVE Online.


Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 03:07:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Soma Khan on 14/02/2011 03:09:51
dotlan is your friend there, though you'd need scouting anyway. i just don't like it that one area or group is always singled out. nc has a lot of members ****-poasting with their alts all over the place and they always tell the same story. dr, being russian, don't hang out here, with predictable results

evenews24 is offline currently, so no linky. though you could search for "horus" when its up again. he also posted a lot on kugu. makes no secret of his setup, one conceited little ****

Josefius
Gallente
JOKAS Industries
Posted - 2011.02.14 04:01:00 - [19]
 

So, we get douchebag vigilantes judging who bots and who doesn't and they go ddosing innocent people. Way to go dumbass.

Kitty McKitty
Gallente
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.02.14 05:02:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Miss President
fail idea is fail.

Reason:

1. There are lots of players quitting over CCP's inaction over BOTs
2. You can only assume someone a bot, but in reality can be real player struggling to survive and unable to compete with bots. You may make them quit.
3. Let CCP deal with BOTs or ruin EVE Online.




The less members of the NC the better.

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.02.14 05:15:00 - [21]
 

Here's what we do, tip off PL, the NC, TEST/Goons, and the Stainwagon, that the others are going to be fighting a 200 on 200 supercap brawl in the ratter system. They will all try to crash each others parties by bringing 400 supercaps.

The lag would crush the bots.

Wibbit Rabbit
Posted - 2011.02.14 05:32:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Wibbit Rabbit on 14/02/2011 05:33:35
I honestly dont understand what the obsession is with bots. Maybe i am naive, but the only two type of bots i see are 1) trading bots 2) mining bots.

1) Trading bots add liquidity to the market, they help make markets causing bid/ask spread to narrow, which is beneficial for everyone except the few traders that has monopoly over some illiquid goods that has wide bid/ask, which they profit from.

2) Mining bots lower the raw material cost, which is passed on to the buyer of the finished product at the end of day. Yes it's unfair to the real miners, but frankly anyone stupid enough to still use mining as the primary profession deserves it.

I really havent see much impact at all from bots while doing missions and pvp. Are you guys saying there are bots that can do missions now or something?

Catheryn Martobi
Posted - 2011.02.14 05:34:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Catheryn Martobi on 14/02/2011 05:36:47
Originally by: Josefius
So, we get douchebag vigilantes judging who bots and who doesn't and they go ddosing innocent people. Way to go dumbass.


Doesn't effect human players. They'll move one system over or realize you're an afk cloaker and continue as normal. It's a magic bullet, won't hurt real players in the least.

Originally by: Wibbit Rabbit
Are you guys saying there are bots that can do missions now or something?


Yes. I actually assume most bots are in highsec.

Rohnda
Posted - 2011.02.14 06:36:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Catheryn Martobi


Doesn't effect human players. They'll move one system over or realize you're an afk cloaker and continue as normal. .


Wait waa ? How is effectivly shutting down the farming in a 0.0 system not affecting a player if incase it is a player at the keyboard ?

Op lacks guts to post on his main anyway, so nvm ..

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.14 07:16:00 - [25]
 

The single most powerful blow CCP co deal to 0.0 bots is to nerf local

Not only it hurts bots, but it's also great for PvP, making EVE a more exciting game

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.02.14 07:26:00 - [26]
 

Edited by: Ban Doga on 14/02/2011 07:27:14
Originally by: Josefius
So, we get douchebag vigilantes judging who bots and who doesn't and they go ddosing innocent people. Way to go dumbass.


Originally by: Rohnda
Originally by: Catheryn Martobi


Doesn't effect human players. They'll move one system over or realize you're an afk cloaker and continue as normal. .


Wait waa ? How is effectivly shutting down the farming in a 0.0 system not affecting a player if incase it is a player at the keyboard ?

Op lacks guts to post on his main anyway, so nvm ..


Having some trouble with reading comprehension?
This is not about a DDoS on the servers of EVE (that would be against the EULA anyway) and it's certainly not about effectively shutting down systems for "farming".

It's about having one cloaked pilot in local, to disrupt bots which logout or cloak at a safespot as soon as a (for them unknown) pilot enters the system.
Unless you think that hugely affects players ratting in a system this won't hurt "innocent" people at all...

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.14 15:02:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Wibbit Rabbit
Edited by: Wibbit Rabbit on 14/02/2011 05:33:35
I honestly dont understand what the obsession is with bots. Maybe i am naive, but the only two type of bots i see are 1) trading bots 2) mining bots.

1) Trading bots add liquidity to the market, they help make markets causing bid/ask spread to narrow, which is beneficial for everyone except the few traders that has monopoly over some illiquid goods that has wide bid/ask, which they profit from.

2) Mining bots lower the raw material cost, which is passed on to the buyer of the finished product at the end of day. Yes it's unfair to the real miners, but frankly anyone stupid enough to still use mining as the primary profession deserves it.

I really havent see much impact at all from bots while doing missions and pvp. Are you guys saying there are bots that can do missions now or something?

there's also the isk making bots. these run missions (allegedly) and farm rats in bounty 0.0 space. these are the most detrimental to eve as they are a massive isk faucet

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.14 15:13:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: Wibbit Rabbit
Edited by: Wibbit Rabbit on 14/02/2011 05:33:35
I really havent see much impact at all from bots while doing missions and pvp. Are you guys saying there are bots that can do missions now or something?

there's also the isk making bots. these run missions (allegedly) and farm rats in bounty 0.0 space. these are the most detrimental to eve as they are a massive isk faucet


5 minutes searching on Google will find you a plethora of advanced macros for sale which will do exactly that, they'll run missions for you, they'll run anoms and plexes for you, there are even ones that will autopilot warp to 0 for you.

The reason why bots are exploding now is that apparently the client encryption has been broken and people are making macros that no longer require mapping the screen. This means that the bots run more perfectly, AND because screen mapping is unnecessary a single PC can run multiple bots. This makes it easy for a single person to run a massive bot operation.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.14 15:20:00 - [29]
 

That happened a long time ago already (well the source code was published). Also I dont think they actually seriously tried to 'encrypt' the client code. (You cant really encrypt it since you could just read the decrypted code from the memory).

The difference is the arms race to supercaps currently happening. The main stat important for holding sov is how many supers you have at your disposal. Pretty much the only way to keep up with others is by either buying ISK on massive scale or running macros: macros is alot cheaper.

So dont worry people, at this rate in a year or so the supercap market will begin to saturate and macros are only used to replace lost supercaps.

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.14 15:38:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Furb Killer
That happened a long time ago already (well the source code was published). Also I dont think they actually seriously tried to 'encrypt' the client code. (You cant really encrypt it since you could just read the decrypted code from the memory).

The difference is the arms race to supercaps currently happening. The main stat important for holding sov is how many supers you have at your disposal. Pretty much the only way to keep up with others is by either buying ISK on massive scale or running macros: macros is alot cheaper.

So dont worry people, at this rate in a year or so the supercap market will begin to saturate and macros are only used to replace lost supercaps.


I guess I shouldn't have used the word encrypted, but MMO games do use proprietary packet schemes which sort of "encrypts" the communication between the client and server. People who write MMO server emulators have to reverse engineer this scheme in order to make their servers work (I had some involvement with SWGEMU).

I forgot about the source code leak, that certainly would explain how bots now can pretty much access the client internally, thus making sophisticated bots possible.

One way CCP could thwart the bots would be to change their packet schemes but this would be a massive undertaking. In all honesty, our client is so jacked up anyway with old and poorly constructed code going back as far as 2001 a complete top to bottom rewrite would be the better idea.



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