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Zahara Fratmon
Posted - 2011.03.09 21:23:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Rawls Canardly
Edited by: Rawls Canardly on 09/02/2011 11:09:41
Tech 3 cruisers aren't as great as people think.
edit- I'd rather see more types of destroyer/battlecruiser out there.


I agree with this. I tend to think that a T3 frigate might be a bit too fragile, but the idea of expanding the T2 Dessy/BC range is a good one. I might even support a T3 dessy/BC as well.

insulubria
Posted - 2011.03.09 23:08:00 - [62]
 

Edited by: insulubria on 09/03/2011 23:09:41
Originally by: Zahara Fratmon
T3 frigate might be a bit too fragile, but the idea of expanding the T2 Dessy/BC range is a good one. I might even support a T3 dessy/BC as well.


exactly this.

....

cool drive the prices of wormhole commodities much higher, all the wormhole based corps, that haven't come out to do incursions will be happy.

I mean seriously how is it a t3 frigate is going to live any longer than a rifter.

much rather see battleship sized tengus/legions


then again I rather see eve return to only 3 active cynos in the whole eve universe and maybe 1 or two capital ships :)

nerfing the jump drive would suck, they're bad enough as it is.

maybe even needs an outer-outer ring :)

Dorian Tormak
M0N0LITH
Posted - 2011.03.09 23:54:00 - [63]
 

I agree they need to fix a lot of ships and also expand more on the destroyer/battlecruiser classes, T3 frigates are still an awesome idea. Saying they won't survive much longer than a Rifter is just nonsense.

If they made them like the T3 cruisers, like Strategic Frigates, you could make a Freki-like Minmatar one with long range webs and fit it with arties :O Or a super mini-curse for the Amarr. Or a solo ownage jamming caldari frigate. Maybe a 90% web blaster boat for the Gallente :)

T3 frigs would be sick.

Addrake
Minmatar
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2011.03.10 02:37:00 - [64]
 

Edited by: Addrake on 10/03/2011 02:37:59
I want to fly a Maller, Omen, Augoror, Prophecy(for anything other than a bait fit.) Hell I want to fly frigs other than Punisher hulls and not be laughed at in pvp. Being forced into (x) ship because you're (y) race and everyone seems to be using nano gangs doesn't leave a lot of room for variety.

Balance out T1 hulls a bit more please.. especially frig/cruisers.

Hauling Hal
The Black Ops
Posted - 2011.03.10 08:49:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Hauling Hal on 10/03/2011 08:50:13
Originally by: IoWalker
Just hearing about T3 frigate this, T3 frigate that, makes me want to sorrowfully stroke off of a leper-ed rat.


I mean, ARE YOU ****ING SERIOUS? The VERY last ship class for someone who hasn't spent 2 goddamn years in this ****ing game is about to be eradicated to some "Hey guess what, 6-8 months and you're going to be flying a frigate that completely makes the game obsolete and bypasses <insert ultra-massive game mechanic here> without any chance of retaliation."


Get you ****ing heads out of your asses and leave at least one ****ing class of ships from the stupid **** T3 disease.


It takes about 1 month to get all T3 cruiser specific skills to 5, not 2 years, and you can fly them well at skill level 4 which will take about a week. Your argument is invalid.

Sigras
Gallente
Conglomo
Posted - 2011.03.10 10:21:00 - [66]
 

saying that the T3 cruisers obsolete the T2 cruisers is like saying the nighthawk makes the drake obsolete.

Does the nighthawk do more damage? Sure!
Does the nighthawk tank better? Yeah!
Would the nighthawk wipe the floor with a drake? Absolutely!

Then why do people still fly the drake?

because the nighthawk is 1000% more expensive than a drake and its only like 20% better

There will always be the need for cheap disposable ships.

To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2011.03.10 12:17:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: yrknat
I can't wait until they introduce T3 frigates. My AML caracal will not only wreck their wallet worse than T2 frigates, but will also cost them SP.

I really don't know why so many people want super expensive SP losing ships at the least survivable ship class.

some T2 frigs can already kill your beloved caracal, T3 frigs will just do that better

Benco97
Gallente
Terraprobe Dynamics
Posted - 2011.03.10 12:20:00 - [68]
 

If we get T3 frigates before there is a T2 resource frigate I think I will just die from being so angry.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2011.03.10 13:19:00 - [69]
 

sounds like some people are ****y because they wont be able to afford them, or be able to fly them properly if they wernt poor as ****e

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.03.10 14:59:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/03/2011 14:59:31
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
CCP should immediately take all the devs off any t3 frigate development and thoroughly rebalance the entire t1 line of ships against all the new ships and mechanics they have introduced over the years.

Agreed 100%.

Why make new ships when the existing ones are only 30% utilized because the rest is usless?

IoWalker
Posted - 2011.03.10 23:41:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: IoWalker on 10/03/2011 23:42:03
idk who necro-ed this thread, but I was saying that even T2 frigs need to get un-****ed before T3's get tossed out there like some sort of ketamine lollipops at a s**** 1998 penthouse rave.

wow, the word s-w-a-n-k is censored? is that because of the magazine?

Sigras
Gallente
Conglomo
Posted - 2011.03.11 05:44:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 10/03/2011 14:59:31
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
CCP should immediately take all the devs off any t3 frigate development and thoroughly rebalance the entire t1 line of ships against all the new ships and mechanics they have introduced over the years.

Agreed 100%.

Why make new ships when the existing ones are only 30% utilized because the rest is[SIC] usless[SIC]?



well CCP already stated in some CSM minutes that they focus more on the ships/modules that people are using which are considered unbalanced because they believe it effects more of the community as more people fly said ships/modules. They believe this to be better than tweaking ships/modules that nobody ever uses anyway

What they fail to realize is that some of the ships that are not used (black ops ships for example) are not used because they are underpowered and with that mentality by CCP they will never be buffed to the point where people are willing to fly them.

Karajishi
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.03.11 13:41:00 - [73]
 

Quote:
Fix all those ships to be viable in pve and pvp alongside the bare handful of currently useful t1 ships and noone will even want a t3 frigate for years.


This is a good point. I think whether they will be over-powered isn't really the issue. They need a role. If the role fits then it'll be good. But this process starts with a good look at the t1 and t2 frigs (we all know AS' need fixing!). It shouldn't be that most T1 hulls don't get used.

Quote:
#3 I'm all for variety. Bring on T3. Hell, bring on T4 and T5. I don't really care about over-powered or under-powered, I just care about having options that I enjoy.


Essentially I agree with this. I love variety but variety is pointless if it just ends up with more loose roles and unused ships. Bringing something new and shiny shouldn't replace other ships and the need for correct roles and balancing.

Pr1ncess Alia
Posted - 2011.03.11 16:18:00 - [74]
 

/confirming many an expensive t3 frigate is going to BURN before the might of a few cheaply fit rifters Twisted Evil


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