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Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:24:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 05/02/2011 21:26:12
I know we will get incarna and DUST this year, but what else will we get or rather what will get fixed!

Is it possible for CCP to give an eta on when the following will get fixed, we have been hearing soon for years now which isn’t professional at all, we then hear “we can only fix things in the summer” and now we find out that CCP don’t have the time to fix things this year (CSM words not mine).

When will the following get fixed!

0.0
War mechanics
Bounty system
Faction Warfare
Lowsec


I once saw an advert on TV where there was a small crack on a roof and the owners ignored it and continued to build **** in the house, the crack got bigger and caused a leak then more cracks and leaks followed, the owners continued to build new **** and ignored the problem.

Eventually the house flooded and everything was destroyed even little Jane’s next gen Barbie doll and the insurance company never covered anything, so my question to CCP is when are you guys going to step away from making new **** NO ONE even asked for and fix the old stuff?

Obviously not in 2011,..

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:31:00 - [2]
 

CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:32:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 05/02/2011 22:17:09
Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc


The worst part is, that actually looks accurate

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:44:00 - [4]
 

I might be getting low on 60day training skills by then.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:56:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc


Two things:
- You totally misrepresented what they said and have done.
- You left out what 70% of the company is working on - Eve.

-Liang

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.02.05 21:57:00 - [6]
 

That's a little over dramatic... with the World of Darkness part.

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST + useless holiday ship
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna + useless holiday ship
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST + snowballs for holiday present
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Put an awesome video together about T4 ships that can break atmo on planets and TRANSFORM INTO WALKING BEASTS. & holidy ship
Summer 2015: Realize that super capitals and the moon mining situation sucks and vow to fix mining all the problems in the game, which is really just a rehash of 2009.
Winter 2015: Add pos power cells after realizing they have been sitting on the internal server for a decade, just that nobody remembered to put them on TQ.
Summer 2016: Announce that FW will be finished some time before 2045 Maybe™

etc

Niccolado Starwalker
Gallente
Shadow Templars
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:23:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 05/02/2011 22:23:40
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
Edited by: Kim Jong Lau on 05/02/2011 22:17:09
Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc


The worst part is, that actually looks accurate


Not really. Dust and WoD are not part of EVE! They dont even have the same developement crew behind them! (Dust = developed in China - WoD in Atlanta)

We will have content coming for EVE after Incarna! But what we do not know yet. Most likely addons to Incarna.


Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:44:00 - [8]
 

Facetious predictions are SERIOUS BUSINESS.

Seriously though:
This year: Incarna, then either improvements to same or DUST connection
Year After: DUST connection or improvements to Incarna, then deepening of connection to DUST
Year After That: Possible beginning of real work on fixing older content

With bits and bobs thrown in all the way to keep non-Incarna/non-DUST people from raegquit. I, for one, am willing to wait around and see if CCP really do go back and do serious work on the base game, once they have the Incarna/DUST launches fully sorted out.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:50:00 - [9]
 

Ok so Incarna is expected in a few months, what exactly will come with Incarna?

Walking in stations, I really hope that isnt all we can do, I mean I like the idea of getting out of my pod, but I hope that isnt all thats included in the expansion.

In the last fanfest we got alot of 'soon' promises, like comets for example, where are these new features, dont get me wrong I like the idea of incursions and dot to dot on planets but it would be nice to have some consistency within CCP.

I really hope this isnt a "lets risk our income, ignore bugs and focus on investments hoping no one will notice then come back to it later" manoeuvre, because that technique is incredibly risky and in business never really works

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.05 22:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc

Bad post tbh. This gives people the impression there is any chance CCP would iterate on stuff they add. While in reality they release Incarna, will maybe give some half arsed attempt at iterating in one more expansion, then jump to the next shiney thing, have all kind of cool ideas, but dont actually implement it. Luckily however what they will release is a framework that can be iterated on later. Sadly they never do it and by the time anyone would want to do it, it is outdated and needs to be rewritten anyway.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 00:13:00 - [11]
 

DUST was meant to affect sov or 0.0 in some way, I hope this is still the case :P

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.02.06 00:28:00 - [12]
 

So for all the idiots who think that CCP has forgotten about EVE.

http://eve-search.com/thread/1462729/page/1#10

Notice that 22 devs are still working on in-space features.

Thats about 1/6th the dev team considering that Incarna takes up close to 2/3rds.


THERisingPHOENIX
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 00:44:00 - [13]
 

Another of this thread....

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 00:57:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
So for all the idiots who think that CCP has forgotten about EVE.

http://eve-search.com/thread/1462729/page/1#10

Notice that 22 devs are still working on in-space features.

Thats about 1/6th the dev team considering that Incarna takes up close to 2/3rds.




So what you are saying is, as long as CCP are working on something thats all that matters?

Great, well in that case CCP, please continue to ignore bugs and problems, the main thing is you are working, why not spend the next 4 years working on making asteroid belts look good, no need to worry about anything else, as long as you are working everything is fine.

Lain Umi
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:01:00 - [15]
 

youd think theyd actually prioritize fixing hybrids, balancing ships,fixing FW and 0.0 - because thats what the players want and have been asking for a few years now. WiS will add more immersion, but no1 really cares for sugar coating all the time.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:02:00 - [16]
 

I am willing to put up 100M isk that says we will not see Incarna and Dust in the 2011 calendar year.

You pick/pay a reliable 3d party to hold the isk and I'm in. For you to win, Incarna must be in General Release and Dust514 must be for sale to the public before 31 Dec2011. If both conditions are not met, I win.

Feel free to eve mail me.

KB

Magnus Orin
Minmatar
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:08:00 - [17]
 

People still believe that DUST 514 is actually going to be released?

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:18:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Breaker77 on 06/02/2011 01:18:36
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau

So what you are saying is, as long as CCP are working on something thats all that matters?


Well...

Quote:
bugs and problems


Are something.




fukier
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Flatline.
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:28:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc


Two things:
- You totally misrepresented what they said and have done.
- You left out what 70% of the company is working on - Eve.

-Liang


oh come on liang... we all know that all know that new CCP tech is "carbon" which is being ported to all thier games that they are working on...
I wonder how much of ccp is actually dedicated just to eve... i would recon about 30%...

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 01:29:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Breaker77
Edited by: Breaker77 on 06/02/2011 01:18:36
Originally by: Kim Jong Lau

So what you are saying is, as long as CCP are working on something thats all that matters?


Well...

Quote:
bugs and problems


Are something.






You are aware WIS will just add more problems to the already enormous pile of problems right?

Once again, what people want is an estimated time, we have been seeing 0.0 problems since 2006 which only got worse with Dominion, 5 years and it is still "soon" wtf?

Now with 450+ supercarriers getting pooped out every month, we find out that CCP will 'maybe' look at 0.0 in 2012 :P

That is just one major area of the game, we still have lowsec which is a wasteland, wardecs & bounty systems which are broken and FW which is a joke.

Yet each expansion we get new stuff that wasnt even asked for, I like the idea of incursions but considering what needed fixing it should have been put on hold, what exactly do you expect players todo, wait and hope CCP will fix stuff in 5 years :P

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.06 02:06:00 - [21]
 

Bugs and problems and more bugs and more problems, CCP is losing it, EVE is going to end, etc etc

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 02:53:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Bugs and problems and more bugs and more problems, CCP is losing it, EVE is going to end, etc etc


@ 450+ supercarriers alone getting produced a month, EVE may not be dead but 0.0 sure will be.

Lets assume CCP fix 0.0 in summer 2012, by then there will be an extra 8100 supercarriers in 0.0 on top of all the other supercarriers present, this doesnt even include all the titans and outposts getting spam produced.

Im so glad we get incarna it means I can walk around in a station while getting camped by 1000+ supercarriers

Tribal Traditionalist
Posted - 2011.02.06 04:34:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kim Jong Lau




That is just one major area of the game, we still have lowsec which is a wasteland, wardecs & bounty systems which are broken and FW which is a joke.



what is broken with wardecs and bounty system and fw and lowsec? they all seem to work fine for me

Milla Lekarariba
Minmatar
Capsuleer Profit Sharing Enterprise
Posted - 2011.02.06 05:17:00 - [24]
 

Just enjoy the game as it is now!

I find worrying about what future expansions will be, on the most part, pointless

unless of course you can profit ingame from it

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2011.02.06 06:02:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: fukier
oh come on liang... we all know that all know that new CCP tech is "carbon" which is being ported to all thier games that they are working on...
I wonder how much of ccp is actually dedicated just to eve... i would recon about 30%...


From everything I know about the Carbon framework, I'd say its a very cool technology. Its definitely something that CCP would be ******ED not to develop, and I'm sorry that all you development process ignoramuses don't understand that the people working on Carbon are working on Eve. It will literally bring new features, allow better/faster feature development, and let fewer bugs through.

-Liang

NoNah
Posted - 2011.02.06 07:45:00 - [26]
 

I'm just curious as to what to fix in the topics you've mentioned. Sure there are flaws, but none of them is any easy fix, whatever they do with it it'll make as many moan and whine about it as people that are pleased.

Most of it isn't an issue with gameplay mechanics, but how game is played, short of banning lots of people nothing is going to fix that, and even then the game would decrease in quality thanks to... lack of people.

If you have a grand idea on how to solve any of it, post that instead.

Ai Shun
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:09:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Kim Jong Lau
@ 450+ supercarriers alone getting produced a month, EVE may not be dead but 0.0 sure will be.

Lets assume CCP fix 0.0 in summer 2012, by then there will be an extra 8100 supercarriers in 0.0 on top of all the other supercarriers present, this doesnt even include all the titans and outposts getting spam produced.

Im so glad we get incarna it means I can walk around in a station while getting camped by 1000+ supercarriers


Ah. Now we get to the rub of your problem. Thought as much.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 13:07:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: NoNah
I'm just curious as to what to fix in the topics you've mentioned. Sure there are flaws, but none of them is any easy fix, whatever they do with it it'll make as many moan and whine about it as people that are pleased.

Most of it isn't an issue with gameplay mechanics, but how game is played, short of banning lots of people nothing is going to fix that, and even then the game would decrease in quality thanks to... lack of people.

If you have a grand idea on how to solve any of it, post that instead.


Theres been a **** load of ideas posted by people to fix broken stuff, stuff I havent even mentioned like PoSes in general or hybrids or field commands (and the Eos) or destroyers, the list goes on and on.

This is what our point is, with so many complaints on issues and so many great suggestions why are CCP ignoring the issues and making new stuff instead?

Gavriel Black
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:00:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
CCP said they will work on EVE when they are finished with Incarna and DUST, so my projection is this:

Summer 2011: Release Incarna
Winter 2011: Release DUST
Summer 2012: Fix Incarna/DUST
Winter 2012: Put actual content in Incarna
Summer 2013: Fix Incarna Content
Winter 2013: Put actual content in DUST
Summer 2014: Fix content in DUST
Winter 2014: Release World of Darkness! Add 1 ship to EVE.
Summer 2015: Fix World of Darkness. Fix broken ship that was added to EVE last Winter.
Winter 2015: Add actual content to World of Darkness. New ship in EVE determined to be unfixable, removed.
Summer 2016: Fix new content in World of Darkness.

etc


One major flaw in this logic. EVE expansions are every 6 months. Dust is not EVE.

Kim Jong Lau
Gallente
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:09:00 - [30]
 

Im going to bring up this topic at fanfest, look the evil CCPeon's in the eye and say "FIX IT!"


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