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Sixtyniner
North Star Networks
The Kadeshi
Posted - 2011.02.04 08:36:00 - [31]
 

RABBLE RABBLE!

Please CCP, give us the new NeoCom. It was awesome, and as many has said it wasn´t that bad. Some tweaking (it was a Beta afterall) and it would have rocked!
Oh, I really hope that the "negative feedback" wasn´t all from the forums, since only a minority of the actual players read/write here. Those who do often whine, about everything. Confused

PTang
Posted - 2011.02.04 09:57:00 - [32]
 

As I said in another thread, the exclusion is enough to make me cancel my account.

So much for moving forward. now the UI won't get redone for another 2,3 years tops.

*laughs at peopel that think the neo necom took up more vertical space *guess they never noticed all those god damn tabs on the bottom* or the fact you can't auto hide the current UI.

James Giovanni
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:12:00 - [33]
 

you know, I don't see any posts that don't like the neo necom anymore, you'd think they were all the same persons alt or somethingRolling Eyes

I AM SPARTACUS
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:47:00 - [34]
 

Don't listen to the rabble on the forum as representing the majority of players in Eve.

They don't.

Only a very tiny minority post on the forum.

I AM REPRESENTICUS!

R'dier
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:48:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: James Giovanni
you know, I don't see any posts that don't like the neo necom anymore, you'd think they were all the same persons alt or somethingRolling Eyes

Hi, I for example thought it sucked, and I still think that way.

It wasn't better to use, it had no original ideas (copying windows xp isn't one), and it didn't even look better.

Gravemind GER
Caldari
Fnord Works
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:51:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: I AM SPARTACUS
Don't listen to the rabble on the forum as representing the majority of players in Eve.

They don't.

Only a very tiny minority post on the forum.

I AM REPRESENTICUS!


SPARTA! I was in Event Horizon, and they have a Spartan as Ally Logo ;)

Do want "Apps" like menu in eve like on my Iphone! *lolfanboi*


no...


The Beta UI was looking Good but it needs more tweaking dont abandon it CCP! or i will start incursions in Iceland!

James Giovanni
Posted - 2011.02.04 10:55:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: R'dier
Originally by: James Giovanni
you know, I don't see any posts that don't like the neo necom anymore, you'd think they were all the same persons alt or somethingRolling Eyes

Hi, I for example thought it sucked, and I still think that way.

It wasn't better to use, it had no original ideas (copying windows xp isn't one), and it didn't even look better.


you didn't like not having tabs on the bottom of the screen?*current on TQ everything goes to bottom of screen

you didn't like being able to remove and add whatever icons you wanted?

you didn't like havign the UI auto hide? you think it's better to always have those little buttons on the left side?


also as far as looks goes that 100% opinionated.

R'dier
Erasers inc.
Controlled Chaos
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:12:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: James Giovanni
Originally by: R'dier
Originally by: James Giovanni
you know, I don't see any posts that don't like the neo necom anymore, you'd think they were all the same persons alt or somethingRolling Eyes

Hi, I for example thought it sucked, and I still think that way.

It wasn't better to use, it had no original ideas (copying windows xp isn't one), and it didn't even look better.


you didn't like not having tabs on the bottom of the screen?*current on TQ everything goes to bottom of screen

you didn't like being able to remove and add whatever icons you wanted?

you didn't like havign the UI auto hide? you think it's better to always have those little buttons on the left side?


also as far as looks goes that 100% opinionated.

Huge amount of tabs on the bottom of the screen might not be an optimal solution, I'll give you that, I don't actually remember how the beta handled them.

Why would I wanna remove icons? It's not like they take a huge amount of space and you wouldn't remember exactly what everyone of them does.

Even the current neocom has autohide option, and no, I never use that either, I like having the buttons visible and immediately accessible all the time.

And looks are important as all other aspects in eve's visuals have been upgraded at some point (well, aside from system backgrounds) and it really wouldn't hurt the feeling of the game to actually have a futuristic looking interface while flying spaceships.

Shandir
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:12:00 - [39]
 

I didn't see all that much negative feedback, mostly people wanting extra features (such as vertical alignment).
Can you at least tell us what this supposed negative feedback was?
Who said they'd quit over it being an option and why?

(By the way, you can autohide the current UI, guys - right click your neocom bar.)

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:20:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Norian Lonark on 04/02/2011 11:58:58
Edited by: Norian Lonark on 04/02/2011 11:58:39
I liked the new Neocom and it was one of the features I was most looking forward to. It was disappointing to see it was pulled and as it was supposed to be optional beta feature I don't see the problem with deploying it. If people didn't like it they didn't have to use it. Sad

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:41:00 - [41]
 

Nooo. I wanted the new NEOCOM! :(

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.02.04 13:52:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: CCP Explorer
See here.
See Here.
It has not yet been re-scheduled for another iteration, that's all I can say for now. This was a project done in free time and the feedback was negative so we removed the code.


You had about 3 pages of feedback from a dozen or so players (several posted multiple times). And that's your feedback? I barely got to try it on SISI let alone a TQ beta.

Whatever happened to HTFU CCP or did you all just go a bit floppy?

REINSTATE THIS NAO!!!!

C.

Julian Assagne
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.02.04 14:09:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Explorer
Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: CCP Explorer
See here.
See Here.
It has not yet been re-scheduled for another iteration, that's all I can say for now. This was a project done in free time and the feedback was negative so we removed the code.


You had about 3 pages of feedback from a dozen or so players (several posted multiple times). And that's your feedback? I barely got to try it on SISI let alone a TQ beta.

Whatever happened to HTFU CCP or did you all just go a bit floppy?

REINSTATE THIS NAO!!!!

C.



/signed

OP change topic name.


the new neocom was a good idea

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:48:00 - [44]
 

I liked the new neocom as well and used it from the instant it was available on SiSi.

I really hope we see it return in a not too distant future.

Xenuchrist
STK Scientific
Rolling Thunder.
Posted - 2011.02.04 20:29:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Xenuchrist
Edited by: Xenuchrist on 03/02/2011 23:29:00
As long as it is horizontal only, it's a no go. How some devs could even imagine removing precious vertical screen real estate is beyond me. And if adding a vertical option is too difficult to be included in a first release, the programming must be beyond fail.

What about 'optional' don't you understand?


CCP. It wouldn't be a big stretch to imagine CCP bringing it out of optional beta, without a vertical option, promising to re-include at a later time...

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.02.04 21:04:00 - [46]
 

from the other thread
Originally by: CCP Explorer
The new NeoCom will not be activated. Based on player feedback and internal review then we decided that this Experimental Feature would be pulled.

My guess is that it was the internal feedback that pulled it- maybe the frontend was ok but something in the code clashed or caused excessive load or whatever.

Still, if this was done in someone's spare time, at least the mental gears are turning and people are trying to improve things.

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.04 21:05:00 - [47]
 

Let me say it again - Hire the guy who did the CONCORD video to do the UI.

Rykuss
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.04 21:19:00 - [48]
 

PI got negative feedback too and that went through. Rolling Eyes

Ben Alman
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.04 21:20:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Calathea Sata
Let me say it again - Hire the guy who did the CONCORD video to do the UI.

Sadly doing fake UIs and real UIs are two entirely different things.
First tings that look great in a video might actually be very impractical to use.
Second, animating stuff in After Effects and similar Programs is WAY easier than actually programming a logic into a UI.

Simple tasks like hovering over something and closing it once the mouse leaves capturing which, if any, button was klicked (not to mention implement drag and drop and "fancy" stuff like that; I once had to try several hours to get a menu stay open for me to drag something because the element directly under the mouse pointer wasn't the same anymore)in a constantly changing environment is in no way comparable to making some keyframes.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.04 21:20:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Xenuchrist
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Xenuchrist
Edited by: Xenuchrist on 03/02/2011 23:29:00
As long as it is horizontal only, it's a no go. How some devs could even imagine removing precious vertical screen real estate is beyond me. And if adding a vertical option is too difficult to be included in a first release, the programming must be beyond fail.

What about 'optional' don't you understand?


CCP. It wouldn't be a big stretch to imagine CCP bringing it out of optional beta, without a vertical option, promising to re-include at a later time...

Well, yes, I guess it wouldn't.

Though to be fair, the dev blog did say the vertical option was in work.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.04 22:26:00 - [51]
 

Neocom is fine as it is.

/thread

PTang
Posted - 2011.02.05 00:47:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: PTang on 05/02/2011 00:48:13
THe current UI is NOT FINE. the fact that it has been the number one issue with players for the past 4 years makes that perfectly clear.

James Giovanni
Posted - 2011.02.05 00:51:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: R'dier
Originally by: James Giovanni
Originally by: R'dier
Originally by: James Giovanni
you know, I don't see any posts that don't like the neo necom anymore, you'd think they were all the same persons alt or somethingRolling Eyes

Hi, I for example thought it sucked, and I still think that way.

It wasn't better to use, it had no original ideas (copying windows xp isn't one), and it didn't even look better.


you didn't like not having tabs on the bottom of the screen?*current on TQ everything goes to bottom of screen

you didn't like being able to remove and add whatever icons you wanted?

you didn't like havign the UI auto hide? you think it's better to always have those little buttons on the left side?


also as far as looks goes that 100% opinionated.

Huge amount of tabs on the bottom of the screen might not be an optimal solution, I'll give you that, I don't actually remember how the beta handled them.

Why would I wanna remove icons? It's not like they take a huge amount of space and you wouldn't remember exactly what everyone of them does.

Even the current neocom has autohide option, and no, I never use that either, I like having the buttons visible and immediately accessible all the time.

And looks are important as all other aspects in eve's visuals have been upgraded at some point (well, aside from system backgrounds) and it really wouldn't hurt the feeling of the game to actually have a futuristic looking interface while flying spaceships.


The neo neo com docked the bottom tabs into the neo com. Meaning once it went vertical *which is was promised before it was released* the little tabs on the bottom would merge with the left side bar.

Also the point was you might not want to remove the icons, but having the option too is great for players that would want to. it's not like it was mandated you had to remove icons :P *also you add new icons too that aren't on current neocom*

Also as far as looks go, while you're point is valid, I for one like the MOA, I think it is the best looking spaceship in the game. You might disagree. But that not make it bad art, or bad design, that's opinion.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.05 01:12:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: PTang
Edited by: PTang on 05/02/2011 00:48:13
THe current UI is NOT FINE. the fact that it has been the number one issue with players for the past 4 years makes that perfectly clear.


Rolling Eyes

The neocom isn't the bad part of the interface. It's everything else that needs to be made so that it's less cluttered and overwhelming.

Get over it, seriously, the new neocom wasn't that great. The neocom now is just fine, and no worse than what they were going to implement.

PTang
Posted - 2011.02.05 01:29:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: PTang
Edited by: PTang on 05/02/2011 00:48:13
THe current UI is NOT FINE. the fact that it has been the number one issue with players for the past 4 years makes that perfectly clear.


Rolling Eyes

The neocom isn't the bad part of the interface. It's everything else that needs to be made so that it's less cluttered and overwhelming.

Get over it, seriously, the new neocom wasn't that great. The neocom now is just fine, and no worse than what they were going to implement.


the reason for the neo neocom was that as more and more menus are added to eve *fleet finder, planet viewer* there is less and less room to stick it all. The neo com is too small, we need to be able to have what we want on the neocom, I don't care if it looks Exactly the same as it does now but with the functionality of the neo neocom. The looks don't matter. Having the quick skill check, and the menu bar was awesome. There is not going to be enough room for all of the buttons eve is going to need without burying things in sub menus.

the best part of the neo neocom was they said it would be possible to have custom app, like a minijukebox player, or a drone control window that cuold could drop right into it. Like the skill progress bar. *yes you could even remove that*

I want the neo bar to be where I can hot link different overview settings, quickly opening up bookmarks for the browser. *some sites can only be used when logged into eve and help a lot with fitting and market work*


There is nothing that was wrong with the neo neocom other than verictal option and it seems the look of it. There was nothing function wise that wasn't working. it was mostly the same if you didn't want touch it. The only real difference was not being able put it verticals.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.05 01:34:00 - [56]
 

Hopefully it got canceled so that they can go "SURPRISE! Full UI revamp!"

Calathea Sata
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.05 01:56:00 - [57]
 

Full UI revamp DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT DO WANT


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