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Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.02.06 19:44:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Aessoroz
Confirming I have screenshots and links to pages...

Originally by: Batolemaeus

It's hardly a secret...

I know you guys are just biding your time and will eventually post all that wealth of factual and substantive material that proves everything. Right? 'Cause the fact that you have not done it here, or on kugu, or on SHC, or evenews24, or anywhere else doesn't mean anything. Really.


Stop trying to deny it. You're just making yourself look really stupid.
Dotlan has well documented npc kills far exceeding what humans are capable off, your 700 bucks for a scap+pilot deals are well known throughout 0.0, there are several threads/articles on kugs and evenews calling you out on rampant endorsed botting and rmt, while roaming with an alt in one of your botting corps everyone can see how mechanical every single ratting character is.

The factual evidence mounting up against you is huge. It would be your time to explain how humans can rack up 25k npc kills within 24h every single day and pos up instantly if a neutral comes into system. Or how humans are supposed to pay your renting fees..

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.06 20:09:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Razin on 07/02/2011 00:22:34
Edited by: Razin on 06/02/2011 20:10:44
Originally by: Batolemaeus
Originally by: Razin

I know you guys are just biding your time and will eventually post all that wealth of factual and substantive material that proves everything. Right? 'Cause the fact that you have not done it here, or on kugu, or on SHC, or evenews24, or anywhere else doesn't mean anything. Really.


Stop trying to deny it. You're just making yourself look really stupid.
Dotlan has well documented npc kills far exceeding what humans are capable off, your 700 bucks for a scap+pilot deals are well known throughout 0.0, there are several threads/articles on kugs and evenews calling you out on rampant endorsed botting and rmt, while roaming with an alt in one of your botting corps everyone can see how mechanical every single ratting character is.

The factual evidence mounting up against you is huge. It would be your time to explain how humans can rack up 25k npc kills within 24h every single day and pos up instantly if a neutral comes into system. Or how humans are supposed to pay your renting fees..

Dotlan numbers are meaningless without participation information. In addition, the NPC killed count has always been high for drone regions because of the spawn mechanics of drone anomalies. This has been asked and explained numerous times, including here:.
Originally by: Evenews24
EN24: Then the most pointed of the so called “proofs” that most “armchair accountants” throw at the table are stats like this map, some players feel inclined to say that 333 npc kills per hour is almost inhumane since that averages around 5 NPCs kills per minute

Krutoj: and that proves what? that just comes from people with no experience. See Drone Hordes right, equivalent mission of Angel’s Heavens, but the spawn comes out from 4 bunkers located at 0 from the warp in which means with enough smart-bombs its like an old Doomsday that said my Nyx could easily solo do about 200 NPC an hour like that, so people with 2 characters can do even more seeing as drone hordes respawn instantly after that, chaining them up you can get that said 333 an hour, no problem. In Bounty space this much amount of NPC per hour of course would be botting, but in DR its reality


This is before the Incursion patch. Now after the patch I see complaints that the warp-in has been changed to 30km from the spawn, and apparently the spawn rate was also altered. The numbers on Dotlan reflect this situation.

The rest of your 'argumentation' is nothing but "everyone knows" and "everyone can see". Those same kugu threads are naming your alliance as one of the largest botter and RMTer group in EVE (must be true then, by your logic. Right?).

Our rental agreement is publicly available and reflects what is possible in the systems available for rent (I personally would never sign up for something like that, but then I have a life). You may need some teamwork to achieve it though. However it's not our business to enforce a macro-free environment, but then CCP continually refuses to implement the tools and game mechanics that would allow this anyway.

So you've not managed to hit neither the "factual" nor the "substantive" requirements. Better luck next time.

reddot23
Posted - 2011.02.07 10:52:00 - [93]
 

well grifting poding and gate camping the way to 00 to death made it where the players you need to beat it wont come now you dont have the players to get the job done thank your self for that incursion had been patched and made way eazy now so there is no point to this at all. pvp players that said there is no skill in pve you could add a pve squad to your corp bring them over from high sec pve mercs pay them to clean it out new ideas are not a bad thing are as time go on let theem despawn mmos are a time sink so no big deal

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.07 16:22:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: reddot23
well grifting poding and gate camping the way to 00 to death made it where the players you need to beat it wont come now you dont have the players to get the job done thank your self for that incursion had been patched and made way eazy now so there is no point to this at all. pvp players that said there is no skill in pve you could add a pve squad to your corp bring them over from high sec pve mercs pay them to clean it out new ideas are not a bad thing are as time go on let theem despawn mmos are a time sink so no big deal
you hate commas, don't you

Captain Brickwalle
Posted - 2011.02.07 17:42:00 - [95]
 

I believe Incursions are working as intended.

They are removing 0.0 as such an absolute endgame by making them just a bit more fragile.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.07 17:53:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Razin

The rest of your 'argumentation' is nothing but "everyone knows" and "everyone can see". Those same kugu threads are naming your alliance as one of the largest botter and RMTer group in EVE (must be true then, by your logic. Right?).

Our rental agreement is publicly available and reflects what is possible in the systems available for rent (I personally would never sign up for something like that, but then I have a life). You may need some teamwork to achieve it though. However it's not our business to enforce a macro-free environment, but then CCP continually refuses to implement the tools and game mechanics that would allow this anyway.

So you've not managed to hit neither the "factual" nor the "substantive" requirements. Better luck next time.
Confirming that there are no macros in the drone regions, and that they don't just sit there, inches from the pos they warped to when you drop a bubble before they can warp while you slowly chip away at their HP with a ship barely able to break their active tank over the course of 5-10minutes Very Happy

PS if you ever want to go macro hunting don't use a bomber, it take aaaages to down a zealot with one :(

rodensteiner
Amarr
OMGROFLSTOMP
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:00:00 - [97]
 

ITT: Carebears holding ~elite 0.0 pvp'ers~ hands, helping them figure out how to save their systems from those ebil Sansha piwates.

Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:05:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
I say more incursions everywhereLaughing
I'll go with that if Sansha gatecamp hi-sec Incursion constellations.


...they already do Confused

Dobri M
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:19:00 - [99]
 

Logically speaking, Incursions should be even MORE prevalent in null-sec. No Concord presence.

It is - after all - lawless space, and the empires' ability to defend it is extremely limited.

Very Happy

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:26:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Cambarus
Confirming that there are no macros in the drone regions,
Quote me where I claim this.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:30:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Lykouleon
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: baltec1
I say more incursions everywhereLaughing
I'll go with that if Sansha gatecamp hi-sec Incursion constellations.


...they already do Confused
No.

Blondieonsum
THE GOD PARTICLE
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:45:00 - [102]
 

Shame the OP didn't post with his main, guess he didn't have permission from his alliance to cry like a girl :)))

Your a disgrace to null sec and now a legend on the forums.

Jora Starlight
Posted - 2011.02.07 18:49:00 - [103]
 

0.0 HC-pvpers afraid of NPC's?

This is too fun Laughing.

Thread bookmarked for future amusement....

Sig Sour
Posted - 2011.02.07 20:06:00 - [104]
 

I'm pretty sure it isn't a problem with the NPC's but with the recharge rate of the incursion?

I love the bears chest beating over the stupid easy layout they have in high sec.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.07 22:12:00 - [105]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Cambarus
Confirming that there are no macros in the drone regions,
Quote me where I claim this.
M8 how do I sarcasm on the interwebs?

Seriously though, there are macros just all over the place in the drone regions, it's hilarious how you're trying to make the claim otherwise.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.07 22:17:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Jora Starlight
0.0 HC-pvpers afraid of NPC's?

This is too fun Laughing.

Thread bookmarked for future amusement....


hell yeah, twice just in case i loose one Laughing

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.02.08 00:01:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Razin on 08/02/2011 00:03:22
Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Cambarus
Confirming that there are no macros in the drone regions,
Quote me where I claim this.
M8 how do I sarcasm on the interwebs?

Seriously though, there are macros just all over the place in the drone regions, it's hilarious how you're trying to make the claim otherwise.

Let me explain how sarcasm works in this instant:

Your sarcastic statement followed by a story implies that there are indeed bots in drone regions. All of that in counterpoint to what you perceived to be my claim that there aren't. Except that I never claimed any such thing, and in fact am quite sure there are bots all over EVE space, especially in the north, as Dotlan very helpfully shows and kugu threads conveniently prove.

Hence my incredulous reply to you requesting that you quote my words where I claimed what you are implying that I claimed.

sableye
principle of motion
Posted - 2011.02.08 00:22:00 - [108]
 

I no longer live in 0.0 but I think I would find it annoying to have then incursions in my own space but from a story prespective it makes sense as you;d think the sansha would ignore whole chuncks of space with planet colonies for the taking but the whole thing is silly anyway as a fleet of capitols would bombard sansha prime into dust or whatever there homeworld was called in the book.

Swynet
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.09 14:26:00 - [109]
 

Edited by: Swynet on 09/02/2011 14:25:54
Was searching for some tears to enlight my day so I couldn't do better then pop up the best thread in this forum.

Mutch better now, thx. Laughing

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.02.09 14:41:00 - [110]
 

Imo; whining about non-consensual PvE makes you appear just as foolish as whining about non-consensual PvP.

Soma Khan
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.09 16:06:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Sig Sour

I love the bears chest beating over the stupid easy layout they have in high sec.

Vid Eeomeet
Smoke 'n' Mirrors
Knights Of Freedoms
Posted - 2011.02.09 16:58:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Vid Eeomeet on 09/02/2011 16:58:27
"Imo; whining about non-consensual PvE makes you appear just as foolish as whining about non-consensual PvP."

^^ that about says it all. Funny thing is; they don't really even have to fight the incursion rats. It's not like they are being chased from system to system.Shocked

(Typo edited out)

nomistseb
Gallente
Domination.
Legion of The Damned.
Posted - 2011.02.09 23:01:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: nomistseb on 09/02/2011 23:01:33
i am in 0.0 to pvp not pve, and when i lose my pvp ship to insane lock times and insane dmg it sucks, CCP get a grip 0.0 is about PVP not PVE

Goose99
Posted - 2011.02.09 23:13:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: nomistseb
Edited by: nomistseb on 09/02/2011 23:01:33
i am in 0.0 to pvp not pve, and when i lose my pvp ship to insane lock times and insane dmg it sucks, CCP get a grip 0.0 is about PVP not PVE


In EVE, PVE can happen anywhere, anytime. Whenever you undock, you subject yourself to involuntary PVE.Laughing

Red Alliance ran and won the their sov null incursion. Why can't you? Your bot is not strong enough.ugh

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.02.10 02:37:00 - [115]
 

this is funny....thanks, i needed a good laugh

Chuck Sands
Posted - 2011.02.10 04:18:00 - [116]
 

This thread is still the best thing ever.

Julia Maesa
Caldari
Capital Ventures Inc.
Posted - 2011.02.10 10:30:00 - [117]
 

Well, people can choose to PVE if they wish to do so. But for most who travel to Low and Null sec its for PvP and this is why we pay our subs. Why should we therefore have PVE thrust upon us?

These incursions are an aspect of the game that we don't want in null for the most part. Please keep all future PVE expansion to Wormholes and Hisec.

Also all the Bears here shouting about PvP tears etc makes me laugh. Show me on the doll where the bad PvP'r touched you.


Michael J Fox
Posted - 2011.02.10 11:01:00 - [118]
 

Edited by: Michael J Fox on 10/02/2011 11:02:29
edited for gay free image hosting php sites.

I have come back from the future with this future version of the eve influence map. Get those logistics sorted boys!

influence of the future

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.02.10 11:05:00 - [119]
 

Sov holding alliances have large numbers of carebears, saying 'we all joined just to pvp' is predictable troll.
Either that or they mean '- apart from the pve our bots do'.

Patricia Mineabuildy
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.10 12:49:00 - [120]
 

"Why should we therefore have PVE thrust upon us?"

Irony in it's purest form.

This thread is pure win.


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