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Alotta Baggage
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2011.03.10 08:35:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
ctrl + click to lock is a bit of a lucky dip if it will actually start to lock or not for me.

Somtimes ctrl + clicking in space before clicking on the tragte you want liocks makes it work, more often but still not 'reliable' like it was, missed a good number of kills already.



Do what I do, hold Ctrl then click like Michael J. Fox Embarassed

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.11 01:17:00 - [62]
 

Michael J. Fox for CSM, he'd get something done, few can say no when you've got the shakes.

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.11 10:35:00 - [63]
 

any update on the fix for the ctrl lock issue?

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.12 11:20:00 - [64]
 

Have you been able to reproduce the CTRL lock issue with the instructions/hints provided in this thread?

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.12 16:44:00 - [65]
 

id bet they have found the bug and cant fix it, so are staying quiet.

would be nice to be proved wrong and get a reply

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.13 10:16:00 - [66]
 

"Hey Users, isn't it awesome, we're here communicating with you, lets check this problem out, looks fine, working as intended."

"um..... no dude...... read again"

silence..........................


So we can assume by this that this has been added to the "Fix when we finish World of Darkness" list?

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.14 10:01:00 - [67]
 

Have you managed to reproduce this bug yet?

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.14 20:40:00 - [68]
 

*tumbleweed passes by*

Low-hanging fruit anyone?

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.14 21:11:00 - [69]
 

As of yesterday I was having no issues. Ctrl freezes overview as usual, Ctrl+left targets whatever I click, in both overview and space. When something dies while I'm holding Ctrl, it goes gray as normal.

Summary: Not sure why people are continuing to necro this thread.

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.14 22:35:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Lost Greybeard
As of yesterday I was having no issues. Ctrl freezes overview as usual, Ctrl+left targets whatever I click, in both overview and space. When something dies while I'm holding Ctrl, it goes gray as normal.

Summary: Not sure why people are continuing to necro this thread.


the problem is when using 2 clients or more. you cant lock in teh same way as before

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.15 06:35:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Lost Greybeard
As of yesterday I was having no issues. Ctrl freezes overview as usual, Ctrl+left targets whatever I click, in both overview and space. When something dies while I'm holding Ctrl, it goes gray as normal.

Summary: Not sure why people are continuing to necro this thread.


Wow, you can't read AND don't know what "necroing a thread" means!

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.15 22:59:00 - [72]
 

So, a problem was identified, CCP partisipated in the discussion and told us it was "working as intended".

Further posts assured CCP that it was not in-fact "working as intended" but has been incorrectly coded.

CCP then vanishes from the discussion never to return.


Just bump the thread and say "we understand it now" please CCP, silence is not an effective means of communication.

white kight
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.03.16 00:27:00 - [73]
 

Gues CCP Optimal has abandoned us Sad

Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Posted - 2011.03.16 02:26:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: white kight
Gues CCP Optimal has abandoned us Sad


He would lock the thread but he can't CTRL-click it.

Korthan
Caldari
Pitch Black.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.03.16 07:19:00 - [75]
 

I pvp on a regular basis and this simply plagues myself and many of my corpm8s as well.

If you don't have the overview tabbed or set focus on (or whatever it's called) then doing ctrl+click does not work like it used to. The game has to then set focus on the overview before it starts working.

Before these 'optimizing performance' and 'innovative UI' designs were implemented I had ZERO problems with ctrl+clicking on the overview to lock. This makes pvp a bit more of a pain when things don't work as advertised and then ccp developers/gms come along and go "it works for us so it must work for everyone else. Clear cache since that solves every problem known to man and try again; It's working as intended" which is complete crap.

Get proper feedback from the people who actually play the game on a regular basis and have to come up with extra ways of coping because someone has their head up where the sun doesn't shine when deciding to fix something that is not broken. That or get a real QA team that actually does some testing and not pretend testing before releasing things.

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:14:00 - [76]
 

its clear who ever tested this dosnt have 2 accounts running at the same time as they would clearly found this bug.

come on ccp its not hard to reproduce this. everyone i know with 2 accounts has noticed this, how the hell havnt you?

Moozh Vozmozhno
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:15:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: CCP Optimal
The problem with the new, single key shortcuts (Q for approach, W for orbit, etc.) is that if focus is set to anything that accepts character input (a chat window for example), that window will utilize the character input event and the command will not get triggered. If you feel this is not acceptible, you can easily re-bind the commands to new shortcut key combinations that include modkeys (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, MOUSE3/4/5) in which case window focus does not matter and the command will always be triggered.


I think the inconsistency that bothers most people is not the chat windows intercepting keyboard input, but the fact that the overview itself has focus behavior independent of any other window, even windows which don't accept full character input, like the Show Info window, or anything else really.

When the overview has focus and you have a target highlighted, you need only tap the appropriate hotkey to warp to, orbit, approach, etc., and the command will immediately go through. However, when the overview does not have focus, you need to hold the key down and click on the object you want to interact with (either in space or on the overview or in your target locks). I think the way it should be designed is if you tap one of these hotkeys and have an active overview target, it should perform the action on that target (regardless of whether the overview window has focus). If you wish to manually choose a different target for your command, just hold the button down and click as normal. This way, tapping the hotkeys without overview focus will actually do something instead of doing nothing. It's unnerving to have to always keep a mental track of what has the current focus.

An example of where this bugs me is traveling. In a system, you click on the stargate, then tap S to warp to. While warping, you maybe check the market, talk to your corpmates, etc. When you arrive at the stargate, you'd like to press D to warp, but you have to perform a click either by holding D and clicking on the stargate, or clicking on the stargate in the overview and tapping D. Basically, too many clicks!

Lost Greybeard
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:26:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Ban Doga

Wow, you can't read AND don't know what "necroing a thread" means!


There are two breaks in the thread exceeding a week, meaning that people didn't care enough to keep it on the main page, but someone decided to bring it back from the dead.

2/07 to 2/18

2/19 to 3/07

That's what it means, man.

I'll buy that I reading-comprehension failed a bit in assuming that people were still complaining about the original topic when apparently the discussion has moved on to another issue, though. Fair enough.

Moozh Vozmozhno
Posted - 2011.03.16 11:44:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Im Blue
its clear who ever tested this dosnt have 2 accounts running at the same time as they would clearly found this bug.

come on ccp its not hard to reproduce this. everyone i know with 2 accounts has noticed this, how the hell havnt you?


Wow you guys are really whiny...

I can confirm that holding CTRL before giving the game window focus will require you to release and re-press the CTRL key in order to utilize it as a modifier. Most DirectX games using DirectInput will exhibit this behavior, it may not have anything to do with CCP code. That's not to say they can't find a work around or fix it, but it's possible they won't since it's only a small inconvenience to a small percentage of the player base.

I use multiple accounts simultaneously but don't have this problem because I ALT+TAB back and forth, which transfers to the input focus. The only people who will encounter this problem are people that don't ALT+TAB since they most likely have multiple monitors and they just move the most from one window to the other. Basically all you have to do as a work around is click on the window first to give it focus, then CTRL+click (or press ALT+TAB while you're moving the mouse).

I wouldn't really say this is a bug. But asking for a workaround could definitely be called a "feature request".

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.03.16 15:14:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Barakkus on 16/03/2011 15:14:33
Originally by: CCP Optimal
As mentioned above, the bug with the overview not freezing properly when combat commands were triggered has now been solved.

The problem with the new, single key shortcuts (Q for approach, W for orbit, etc.) is that if focus is set to anything that accepts character input (a chat window for example), that window will utilize the character input event and the command will not get triggered. If you feel this is not acceptible, you can easily re-bind the commands to new shortcut key combinations that include modkeys (CTRL, ALT, SHIFT, MOUSE3/4/5) in which case window focus does not matter and the command will always be triggered.

Some of you have mentioned that CTRL + click sometimes does not seem to work 100% of the time. I'm not able to reproduce this problem, so any additional information would be very helpful (what do you have in focus before pressing CTRL, are you clicking the overview entry or the bracket while holding CTRL, etc.).


The ctrl + click happens when the over view window does not have focus when performing the action. Once you explicitly give the window focus before attempting to ctrl click then it works. Most notably happens when running two clients. If the second client has focus then you try to ctrl click the first client's overview, the command isn't registered until you actually left click once on the overview window. It's a windows thing though, I have that happen with normal windows applications, and it's hard to code around from my experience without writing stupid crap for handling specific windows messages.

edit: the above is the case of running 2 clients on separate monitors.

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.17 00:14:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Dr BattleSmith on 17/03/2011 00:23:51
Originally by: Lost Greybeard

There are two breaks in the thread exceeding a week


Those are the breaks where people are waiting for the CCP response that is yet to come.


The fix is simple, literially about 5 lines of code.

Alt, Ctrl, and Shift keys need to be Windows API hooked so they are tracked regardless of what has focus.


This might help.....

http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms644990.aspx
http://www.developer.com/net/vb/article.php/1502401/Managing-Low-Level-Keyboard-Hooks-with-the-Windows-API.htm
http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/pyhook/index.php?title=PyHook_Tutorial
http://www.codeproject.com/KB/DLL/keyboardhook.aspx
http://www.hackerthreads.org/Topic-42395

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.17 01:24:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 17/03/2011 01:26:38
And for more hilarity, run two clients. Start locking targets in one client, then click the other client's window. Now release the CTRL key, then click on something in the first client window. CTRL will stick "on" in the first client and "off" in the second client until you frob the CTRL key for each client. I.e.: in first client, press and release the CTRL key. Now switch to second client, press and release the CTRL key.

No more CTRL+click, you now have to CTRL+click+release.

And of course double-click in the overview still approaches the target, and the double-click detection ignores anything except clicks. So if you realize that CTRL is stuck off, you have to frob CTRL, wait half a second, then click. All other actions should reset the double-click detection.

rofflesausage
Posted - 2011.03.17 11:11:00 - [83]
 

bumping this important topic

Im Blue
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:05:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Moozh Vozmozhno
Originally by: Im Blue
its clear who ever tested this dosnt have 2 accounts running at the same time as they would clearly found this bug.

come on ccp its not hard to reproduce this. everyone i know with 2 accounts has noticed this, how the hell havnt you?


Wow you guys are really whiny...

I can confirm that holding CTRL before giving the game window focus will require you to release and re-press the CTRL key in order to utilize it as a modifier. Most DirectX games using DirectInput will exhibit this behavior, it may not have anything to do with CCP code. That's not to say they can't find a work around or fix it, but it's possible they won't since it's only a small inconvenience to a small percentage of the player base.

I use multiple accounts simultaneously but don't have this problem because I ALT+TAB back and forth, which transfers to the input focus. The only people who will encounter this problem are people that don't ALT+TAB since they most likely have multiple monitors and they just move the most from one window to the other. Basically all you have to do as a work around is click on the window first to give it focus, then CTRL+click (or press ALT+TAB while you're moving the mouse).

I wouldn't really say this is a bug. But asking for a workaround could definitely be called a "feature request".


it worked fine before the incusion patch, now its a pain to run more than 1 account theway i use them. its not whiny to point out a mistake ccp have over looked when they state its working as intended

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.03.17 21:57:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Lost Greybeard
Originally by: Ban Doga

Wow, you can't read AND don't know what "necroing a thread" means!


There are two breaks in the thread exceeding a week, meaning that people didn't care enough to keep it on the main page, but someone decided to bring it back from the dead.

2/07 to 2/18

2/19 to 3/07

That's what it means, man.

OMG, over one full week!
Still adding answers to such a thread? How dare they!?!?

We can only hope the new forums will auto-lock threads that have been dead for such a long time.
I mean, who could even remember the original issue...

Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.18 00:22:00 - [86]
 

Optimal?

"We get it now, not working as intended, will be patched"?


Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
Posted - 2011.03.23 02:46:00 - [87]
 

CCP Optimal?

Any progress in working out if this is "working as intended" or a bug?

BlackSail
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:00:00 - [88]
 

I got the same problem... with this latest 1.6 patch it got worst... I couldn't CNTRL + click in space before, but I could select on the overview specifically first and then hit CNTRL... Now I can't do either after this patch. I have cleared cache's and reset all shortcuts to default. It's been weeks and I think my head will explode... and if it does im taking ccp with me... nuclear head explosion.

Aeronwen Carys
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:36:00 - [89]
 

This is STILL an issue?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.01 11:37:00 - [90]
 


That was probably removed maybe to fix the annoying bug of when you exit warp, and click something on the overview, it locks as if a key is pressed but isnt (and no it is not stuck).

Tappign CTRL fixes that known bug. I hope they fixed it.



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