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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.02.05 00:28:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Tasko Pal on 05/02/2011 00:29:15
Originally by: dorfsorc
With no real in game training guide for dealing with low sec gate and station campers, it is pretty unrealistic that a typical pve high sec player would do well on entering low sec space. I found it interesting that I was attacked simply because i was there, not because my ship was valuable or had any meaningful reward for the attacker. Since I do not understand that play style, I am totally unprepared for it.


I was able to find resources on it. While the link is laden with snark, it is worth remembering that just about any problem or concern you may have in game or elsewhere had probably has been dissected somewhere on the internet. They might still be at the initial whining ineffectually stage, but the problem has been discussed.

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The podding after the kill is just their way.


Oh, how I miss the quaint customs of low sec. Well, TBH of anywhere squirrelier than pristine high sec.

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I somehow thought they would have scanned for cargo or something like that, but no.


As you have discovered, they scan your cargo by nosing through your wreck for loot.

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I did read the thread on low sec fits for jumping safely. Lots of new skills for me, but it still didnt explain how I can safely execute courier missions there. If there is a guide somewhere for those activities, it would be much appreciated, rather than be called stupid because I dont understand some aspects of the game play.
the DORF


There are a variety of tricks for dealing with low sec and 0.0. You can practice most of them in high sec too. For example, if I've been away too long, I practice my cloaking and warping before I go into danger. For low sec stations that I use frequently, I make sure I have warpout points. That solves one of the worst points of vulnerability in low sec, undocking.

If you want to do any serious courier missions in low sec, you need to get a blockade runner. They're fast and almost impossible to catch when they're cloaked and flown right.

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.02.05 00:31:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: dorfsorc
i tried something different today, cosmos missions in friggi. one sent me to adjacent low sec space for a courier delivery. I sent a scout through the gate and found nothing. put the badger through with the mission cargo and was killed and podded at the delivery station. much fun. what sort of jerk finds it amusing to pod kill a defenseless cargo ship carrying nonvaluable materials for a faction mission?
Any wonder we carebears find no value in entering low sec?


Its the stations you want to scout, not the gates. The gates you can get away from fast in a cloaky transport. With the station you have 2k to traverse before you can cloak.

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.05 08:57:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Spineker on 05/02/2011 09:13:19
Edited by: Spineker on 05/02/2011 08:58:20
Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: Spineker
level 5 wouldnt be the same reward as level 4s nor should they be. They should be just like any other mission tier nerf the higher the sec status but still be better than Lvl4. From an economic standpoint it may be argued but from a silly and rather ignorant standpoint that there is already enough to do in highsec and carebears suck well... stupid is as stupid says.

Incursions should be moved to 0.0 only, that way dumb people will feel elite.




It's ironic that your failure to adapt to the game makes people who can stupid in your eyes Laughing


I have played this game since Beta in some way or another. I hardly doubt
I have not adapted to everything, from 0.0 to pirate, merc name it.

I find it stupid that today people who pretend to PVP actually think they are elite. PVP today is blob packs. Hell half of the PVPers today think they are great when they kill a solo with 6 pilots. Pathetic.

0.0 has all the money and bots and rented space and RMT'ers. Wasn't like that at one time but today just sucks. Drop Supercaps on a single Carrier and high five each other... LMAO

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.05 09:17:00 - [34]
 

My last lost was Cosmos in a hauler. Didn't really care got podded too. Oh well **** happens.

The idea that anyone who ask for more fun in Highsec have never done anything but highsec is just about as dumb as any generalization of a large group of people.

"They are carebears! They should not have fun make it mundane so your game sucks!"

Dolemite2K
Gallente
GONE RETARD BACK LATER
Posted - 2011.02.05 11:30:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Dolemite2K on 05/02/2011 11:40:43
Edited by: Dolemite2K on 05/02/2011 11:37:57
Edited by: Dolemite2K on 05/02/2011 11:36:47
Originally by: Spineker
Edited by: Spineker on 05/02/2011 09:13:19
Edited by: Spineker on 05/02/2011 08:58:20
Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: Spineker
level 5 wouldnt be the same reward as level 4s nor should they be. They should be just like any other mission tier nerf the higher the sec status but still be better than Lvl4. From an economic standpoint it may be argued but from a silly and rather ignorant standpoint that there is already enough to do in highsec and carebears suck well... stupid is as stupid says.

Incursions should be moved to 0.0 only, that way dumb people will feel elite.




It's ironic that your failure to adapt to the game makes people who can stupid in your eyes Laughing


I have played this game since Beta in some way or another. I hardly doubt
I have not adapted to everything, from 0.0 to pirate, merc name it.

I find it stupid that today people who pretend to PVP actually think they are elite. PVP today is blob packs. Hell half of the PVPers today think they are great when they kill a solo with 6 pilots. Pathetic.

0.0 has all the money and bots and rented space and RMT'ers. Wasn't like that at one time but today just sucks. Drop Supercaps on a single Carrier and high five each other... LMAO


And this has what exactly to do with people who have figured out incursions being stupid as you put it? opposed to what exactly the geniuses that can run level 4s and whine?

Originally by: Spineker


The idea that anyone who ask for more fun in Highsec have never done anything but highsec is just about as dumb as any generalization of a large group of people.






oh the irony Laughing










Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.05 19:45:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Spineker

Originally by: Dolemite2K
Originally by: Spineker

Incursions should be moved to 0.0 only, that way dumb people will feel elite.




It's ironic that your failure to adapt to the game makes people who can stupid in your eyes Laughing


I have played this game since Beta in some way or another. I hardly doubt
I have not adapted to everything, from 0.0 to pirate, merc name it.

I find it stupid that today people who pretend to PVP actually think they are elite. PVP today is blob packs. Hell half of the PVPers today think they are great when they kill a solo with 6 pilots. Pathetic.

0.0 has all the money and bots and rented space and RMT'ers. Wasn't like that at one time but today just sucks. Drop Supercaps on a single Carrier and high five each other... LMAO

I think somewhere you misunderstood his post. Your post implies that people who run incursions are dumb, while demanding more PVE in highsec, which is exactly what incursions ARE. You them whine about how CCP should remove the higher tiered PVE from highsec, and then add more higher tiered PVE to highsec, because.... umm.... why exactly? The fact that CCP introduced highsec pve that surpasses lvl 4s in bot complexity and payouts, combined with the fact that this is exactly what the people who want highsec lvl 5s claim to want, and add in the fact that you (who seem to be a member of the aforementioned group) seem to dislike incursions, the only reasonable explanation is that you, for whatever reason, cannot adapt to them. I'm currently running incursions with a friend+ some alts, pulling in 100+mil an hour per character, it's insane. It's not hard either, it's just not the same as blitzing lvl 4s.

Iqelrius
Caldari
Masaryk II
Posted - 2011.02.05 20:05:00 - [37]
 

I support Dorf's ideas/suggestions. +1.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.02.06 04:32:00 - [38]
 

Dorf, I hope you don't let a few set backs discourage and persuade you to leave Eve.

Cosmos missions are excellent and are an upgrade from regular missions, consider a lv 2 Cosmos mission to be like a lv 3 regular mission, etc. They require you to be prepared and sorta think outside the box. Most of the missions are mainly in high security systems. There are lot's of different guides that explain and show a walk-thru for each Cosmos Agent mission.

For low sec survival, there are also guides listed in the Evelopedia which has a ton of information.

I've listed a lot of different Event Agents and Guide links in the Faction Standing Repair Plan, check out the Cosmos Agents and Low Security survival sections.

Rina Maas
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:26:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: dorfsorc
With no real in game training guide for dealing with low sec gate and station campers, it is pretty unrealistic that a typical pve high sec player would do well on entering low sec space. I found it interesting that I was attacked simply because i was there, not because my ship was valuable or had any meaningful reward for the attacker. Since I do not understand that play style, I am totally unprepared for it.



Get a jump clone and fit with some cheap implants.

Grab a frig or cruiser to start with and get used to belt ratting and the art of aligning and watching local. Since you get BS spawns at low sec belts, ideally you would need a BC. They are cheap and provide more options.

Do not be afraid to get your ship blown up. It will happen. Once you gotten over your first couple of ganks (which will happen) - you will realise it is nothing to worry about - as long as you are flying upto BC since the cost really is negligble.

Little things to remember, cap boosters are better than rechargers in low sec (unless running missions), and you will learn to love fitting neuts.

Then it is just practice. After belts, you can also run anomalies - always good for a little income. Also means when you see someone enter local that you have a bit longer to align "just in case".


If you have been missioning in hi sec, you should have a big fat wallet - this will allow you to stock on cheap ships upto BC (AFs are also good) - just make sure you have t2 guns/launchers, they really are worth it.



/wow.. most constructive post I have managed in a while Confused

Kid Deluxe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 10:46:00 - [40]
 

I Certainly understand the carebear aversion to lowsec.

But it's all about familiarity. Spend some time in lowsec, even as a tourist, and you get savvy quick. As you now know, having experienced the indiscriminate violence one learns to expect while not tucked tightly under the omniscient wing of Concord.

Glad to hear you're trying it.

dorfsorc
Posted - 2011.02.06 16:19:00 - [41]
 

suggestions in above posts have been helpful and meaningful in dealing with low sec issues. training needed and some different ships. Still, my thread consideration is dialogue around what there is to do in High Sec from a missioning perspective, and my personal focus is on solo and small group content. I have seen several posts mentioning new missions, but none of the agents i use have offered any. I have 9+ faction with caldari navy, steel, spacelane, suukuvesta , and am over 6 with several other npc corps. where are these new missions of which you speak?
the Dorf

Rina Maas
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.06 16:51:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: dorfsorc
suggestions in above posts have been helpful and meaningful in dealing with low sec issues. training needed and some different ships. Still, my thread consideration is dialogue around what there is to do in High Sec from a missioning perspective, and my personal focus is on solo and small group content. I have seen several posts mentioning new missions, but none of the agents i use have offered any. I have 9+ faction with caldari navy, steel, spacelane, suukuvesta , and am over 6 with several other npc corps. where are these new missions of which you speak?
the Dorf


The new missions are there... why not try running Amarr missions? (since they won't harm your Caldari ones). You could also try Ammatar and Khanid ones as well... The new missions are nothing special - just a variation on the regular.

Since you have such high standing - grab a SB and blitz l4 fw missions. That should offer a challenge and a thrill (till you realise how easy they are).


Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.02.06 17:49:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: dorfsorc
suggestions in above posts have been helpful and meaningful in dealing with low sec issues. training needed and some different ships. Still, my thread consideration is dialogue around what there is to do in High Sec from a missioning perspective, and my personal focus is on solo and small group content. I have seen several posts mentioning new missions, but none of the agents i use have offered any. I have 9+ faction with caldari navy, steel, spacelane, suukuvesta , and am over 6 with several other npc corps. where are these new missions of which you speak?
the Dorf
That's kind of the problem isn't it? You're focusing all your attention on one VERY specific aspect of the game (Missions, in highsec, that can be soloed, and don't bother mentioning small group content because vanguard sites in incursions can be run with 3 people if your skills are up to it) There's loads more content out there that you're just not willing to get into, and you can only expect so much to be given to one small chunk of the sandbox before the other areas start complaining (and highsec is already way past that point)


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