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Blood Fart
Posted - 2011.02.04 01:35:00 - [61]
 

What makes a greifer tick?

The same thing that would make someone want to be a cop. You can screw with people with some degree of safety as long as you stay within the laws/rules while doing it. EVE is really good for me because I'm too lazy to be a cop.

Reinholdr
Posted - 2011.02.04 01:39:00 - [62]
 

What a load of horse sheeyat.

I mean you sure do write purty but come on, nobodies buying that crap. Wife doing tae-bo in the other room. I almost shat myself laughing.

Although you did just basically agree that griefers are misanthropes who like nothing more than to do things to spoil others fun.

They do it because they need to. It helps them feel powerful. The same reason people behave that way in real life. 99% of people behaving like that in a game are the people who have no outlet for it in their real life.

One of the reasons Eve will never be as popular as other games (and dont get me wrong, I think this is a good thing) is that the learning curve is less of a curve and more of a cliff. This makes players who have been playing the game for longer much more powerful than newer players and we all know what power does to people. Other games prevent this through game mechanics. What this means is it's way tougher on newer accounts and the greybeards LOVE this. Easy pickins. If you can survive your first two years, it gets easier but most new players never make it that far.

Eve just provides people like that with game mechanics that make preying on lesser experienced/skilled players easier.

There's no need to judge them. Pity them.

Dzrdya
Amarr
Evil Holdings
Posted - 2011.02.04 02:42:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Vrabac
So there's this guy, the one who is telling the story. He tells me how he was approached by another guy in-game and offered to duplicate certain valuable item by means known to this other guy. The process was kinda idiotic and involved some sort of a rock or placing the item beneath it, not really important now, but it came down to the storyteller dropping the item from his inventory to the ground. So the other guy, the scammer, simply walks up to it, picks it up and leaves. LOLOLOLOL... right?


The old RuneScape armour trimming scam Very Happy


Anyway, i think griefers love the chase, they do something to someone, then want to be hunted down. There is a thrill in escaping when someone is coming after you. I think if you do examine the griefers in any detail, you will find that core fact - They do it, because of the thrill of being chased and getting away.

Mikalia Sunstorm
Posted - 2011.02.04 02:52:00 - [64]
 

P3nis?

WowThisGameIsAwesome
Posted - 2011.02.04 06:16:00 - [65]
 

Griefers are heavenly angels, they make you cancel your subscription and save your real life from being ruined by Eve . Where was my griefer 2 years ago ... It's too late for me now *sob*

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.04 06:48:00 - [66]
 

The kick is always in the risk. Blobs, tarps, etc.

Dobri M
Posted - 2011.02.04 07:05:00 - [67]
 

They (griefers) may pull the wings of flies, but you won't catch them doing it to wasps.

Fritzman
Aliastra
Posted - 2011.02.04 08:45:00 - [68]
 

Edited by: Fritzman on 04/02/2011 08:49:55

My reasons for ganking:
  • Profitable. I fund PLEX + all PVP ships for 4 accounts by ganking.

  • Victims' reactions. I love bitter hatemail in particular. On one large kill the victim hired mercs after me for several weeks. Some of the best, most exciting times I've ever had in Eve during those weeks.

  • Semi-AFKisk gameplay. Scanning for targets is a very laid back activity, and you can work on the side while just having the indies only -overview shown on the side of your screen.

  • Effect on other peoples' gameplay. Several of my victims have stopped grinding and started ganking after getting killed for the first time. The more ruthless bastards we have in Eve, the more interesting the game will be overall.
Greed and the unwillingness to grind missions or ratting are what drove me into ganking. Haven't regretted the decision to do it ever since. Many people have the misconception that as a ganker I'd do anything for the ISK, but I'd never gank someone I know in game. If I don't know you, you might as well not exist to me at all. I have a lot to gain by ganking John and Jane Does and nothing to lose.


Thomas Gallant
Gallente
St Andrews
Posted - 2011.02.04 11:32:00 - [69]
 

Just so you guys know, this was a topic that was intended to be serious, but not not particularly expected to be taken seriously.
Before when ganked I would be disappointed and confused, however thanks to you guys I can limit myself to just being disappointed in losing a ship, and no longer confused as well, the confusion being the worst part, as an item in a video game, while not totally worthless, is expendable none the less.

One thing I would like to mention is it seem Ironic for PvPer to complain about PvE complaining about PvPers... or maybe it's just redundant, or repetative or something...

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.02.04 14:03:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 14:10:43

In every other game I play, I play the good guy... except for EVE. I have in fact asked myself why this is, and TBH I am not entirely sure. But here is my best guess Wink


Enter Epic Wall Of Text:


Let us first take a look at a Corporation/Alliance that is not in state of wardec. It's pilots seem to be getting along, and their CEO seems to be leading them to some degree and/or giving his member base a place in game where they can relax and do whatever they want with their space pixels. They are buying shiny new ships, recruiting and taking rookies into LV 4 missions to help "Share The Wealth".

They also have one or two higher SP pilots who have "Experiences" and "Know How To PVP" These people are often turned to when it's time to fit ships or stand up to a mean PVP'er who is picking on "People With Lower SP"



Now Lets Wardec Them...



1.) The "skillful" PVP'ers die once or twice and then become so skittish that they begin to undock less often. The people with less SP who don't entirely understand the game mechanics start to die unnecessary fiery deaths and beg for help in corp chat (or local) tears that fall on the deaf ears of their so-called "Friends" who don't bother coming to their aid. Fractures form between friendships and confidence in their leaders begins to wane rapidly.


2.) Said corp could easily outnumber and gank their attackers... but they do not. Secretly their higher SP pilots don't want to lose their shiny and their all knowing leader (AKA their CEO who never logs on) in all reality wouldn't know what PVP was if it walked over to him and sat on his face Laughing

3.) It turns out that their CEO was secretly skimming from the corporate wallet to buy a Charon BPO when no one was looking...and that is why a wallet, that should have been filled with billions, has only 100M in it. This royally ****es people off because it could have helped fund the war effort. At least he "claims" that he took all that ISK for a BPO and not his faction/complex fitted GolemRolling Eyes


4.) People start turning on each other for various reasons, ultimately jumping ship. Leaving their friends, their teachers and a corporation that helped them amass wealth and gather a foothold in the game. People get kicked out of the corp for "Spying" and everyone (including their so-called skilled PVP'ers) stop undocking and log off all together.


Summary:

Some of, or ALL of, these occurrences will happen over the course of only a single week(sometime two or three) The length and breadth of these occurrences varies greatly from corp to corp and alliance to alliance, but ultimately it is an ever-present element shared by almost all "PVE/PVP based corporations/Alliances" existing in EVE Online.





Now Back To The Question "Why Do I Grief"
...if your still reading that is.


Do I really want to use my knowledge and experience to help defend these kinds of people? No... in actuality, I do not. I think they deserve their fate (so to speak). In other games it is easy to champion the cause of right if it is programmed into fake, CGI driven characters whom share a truly moral and virtuous center. An Unshakable drive for community, decency and self-sacrifice for a greater good.


The so called "Good Guys" of EVE, behave like nothing more than greedy, self-serving, brats who don't want to share their toys. They are not "Good guys" at all.


And miners in Empire are the worst of the lot in my experience...did I mention that I have run alliances before? Wink



So I will rob you of your delusions.
I will remind you of your truest nature.
I delight in kicking you off of your White Horse and separating you from your fragile nerd Ego...
And in doing so I am actually studying the Human condition.





I bet you didn't think a griefer could be so deep now did you YARRRR!!




Gaellia Bonaventure
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:25:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Destiny Corrupted

Why do grief? Buh. Because fat. Also because ugly. Society make fail to educate person in moral. No can get job or woman. But game good. Game make bad go away. Real life? Real life kill cat for food to not die to play game 18 hours. Real life make suffer. Game? Game no make suffer. Game I make other suffer for make me suffer in real life. Flip can, make cry. Sometimes camp Stranglethorn for half a day with Night Elf hunter. Game make me look like pretty Asian girl, make happy.

What inside mind of griefer? Griefer subjective term, but speaking from personal, mix of this and this. Thursdays, this.

Fuh, it 8 a.m. Me go sleep now.


LOL, classic.

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:29:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

In every other game I play, I play the good guy... except for EVE.
...
So I will rob you of your delusions.
I will remind you of your truest nature.
I delight in kicking you off of your White Horse and separating you from your fragile nerd Ego...
And in doing so I am actually studying the Human condition.


Andrey Chikatilo
he said once: i tried to make World better.....

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

I bet you didn't think a griefer could be so deep now did you



not really. All griefers think they are unique, but results are the same most of the time.....

Starfall Achura
Posted - 2011.02.04 15:48:00 - [73]
 

In order to understand the brain of average griefer I would refer you to this 80's commercial....

This is Eve....

This is a the mind of a griefer in Eve...

Any Questions?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FtNm9CgA6U

Shigeru Potatomoto
Posted - 2011.02.04 17:07:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian



The so called "Good Guys" of EVE, behave like nothing more than greedy, self-serving, brats who don't want to share their toys. They are not "Good guys" at all.


And miners in Empire are the worst of the lot in my experience...did I mention that I have run alliances before? Wink

That is so true. Everybody thinks high sec=safety even with war decs present, it's actually amazing to watch them go Lord of the Flies because of one guy in a Curse.

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.02.04 18:06:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 18:28:11

Originally by: Miss Rabblt
not really. All griefers think they are unique, but results are the same most of the time.....


You are correct ofc, however that result has less to do with the griefer and more to do with the reactions of the said individuals that I was referring too in the post that you quoted.



Additionally:

That serial killer link is entirely unrelated to what I said. What possibly link could wardecing a corporation in order to instill chaos and observe how people respond to digitally generated adversity, have with a man from Russia who murdered children? ugh


Typical carebear response IMO, demonizing other players who distributed a little bit of butt-hurt to their otherwise safe and uneventful gaming experience. Because it is not enough for you to be angry, you have to make believe that people like me are literally evil. Wink

Klauz Lycan
Posted - 2011.02.04 18:06:00 - [76]
 

It's all about Drainage! Drainage, you boy. Drained dry. I'm so sorry. Here, if you have a milkshake, and I have a milkshake, and I have a straw. There it is, that's a straw, you see? You watching?. And my straw reaches acroooooooss the room, and starts to drink your milkshake... I... drink... your... milkshake!
Look. I drink it up!

Miss Rabblt
Posted - 2011.02.04 18:40:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

That serial killer link is entirely unrelated to what I said. What possibly link could wardecing a corporation in order to instill chaos and observe how people respond to digitally generated adversity, have with a man from Russia who murdered children? ugh


is related =)
i think you didn't read that link well (yes, i would not too) but than man didn't just killed his victims. It was more complex and painful procedure. And he killed not just to kill but to eat and enjoy their pain.

There is completely different things you would say? I don't agree. Only difference is you can't kill anybody in Eve. Yes, you can pod someone and get killmail. But your victim only looses money and some time. There is only difference.

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian

Typical carebear response IMO, demonizing other players who distributed a little bit of butt-hurt to their otherwise safe and uneventful gaming experience. Because it is not enough for you to be angry, you have to make believe that people like me are literally evil. Wink

sure =)
People are equal in general. Doesn't matter how we like to say "i'm unique". =)

But you aren't right about angry, this is just tale. People don't like to think about itself "we people are just badasses, we egoistic". Then people make its own tale "i'm just person who teach other people how bad they are", or "he hurt me because he is stupid/mad"... So human nature in general lasts white and kind while someone (other) is bad. =)

Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.02.04 18:59:00 - [78]
 

Well now your ranting...



Moving on Rolling Eyes

Monkeedude
Posted - 2011.02.04 19:53:00 - [79]
 

I'm pretty sure there is a direct correlation between griefers and Duke Nukem. I haven't been able to gather the statistical evidence to prove it though.

Memcoll
Posted - 2011.02.05 01:50:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Thomas Gallant
I was hoping I could get a few of you from the ganker/griefer "club" to post your introspective thoughts on this: what makes you, as a griefer/ganker tick? Why do you do what you do? I'm not complaining here, as complaining is not the intent of this topic, instead I'm wondering why you do the things you do? I can assume that you do it because it's fun, but we're digging deeper than "because it's fun" with deep, profound thoughts about the inner works on your own mind. Tell me, think about it, and post your thoughts.


Because you ask why.

Paul Clavet
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.02.05 02:05:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Reinholdr
What a load of horse sheeyat.

I mean you sure do write purty but come on, nobodies buying that crap. Wife doing tae-bo in the other room. I almost shat myself laughing.

Although you did just basically agree that griefers are misanthropes who like nothing more than to do things to spoil others fun.

They do it because they need to. It helps them feel powerful. The same reason people behave that way in real life. 99% of people behaving like that in a game are the people who have no outlet for it in their real life.

One of the reasons Eve will never be as popular as other games (and dont get me wrong, I think this is a good thing) is that the learning curve is less of a curve and more of a cliff. This makes players who have been playing the game for longer much more powerful than newer players and we all know what power does to people. Other games prevent this through game mechanics. What this means is it's way tougher on newer accounts and the greybeards LOVE this. Easy pickins. If you can survive your first two years, it gets easier but most new players never make it that far.

Eve just provides people like that with game mechanics that make preying on lesser experienced/skilled players easier.

There's no need to judge them. Pity them.


Yay projection.

Honeybags
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.02.05 08:10:00 - [82]
 

People really give schadenfreude a bad rap.

I don't take this game or any other seriously. I'm here to have fun. Fun means blowing other people up. Fun means laughing at some idiot who treats his ship like gold and gets furious when you destroy it and steal the cargo. Fun means being able to just bull**** with corp mates because I scammed someone and don't have to pay to play for another month or grind plex money.

When I read the meltdown posted somewhere about the idiot who spent two years getting a rorq and got it blown up because he never learned that you can't jump caps through gates, I laughed my ass off. He lost his perspective, he invested emotions in pixels owned by an entertainment company. I'm here for the laughs, for the good times with people I enjoy bull****ting in an overblown chat program with.

Do I enjoy coaxing reactions out of people like this? Of course, it's entertaining to see someone lose their **** over something as stupid as a video game.

You guys talk about "getting to have power you don't have in real life" but what it really comes down to with griefers is that you're talking about someone who's not so stupid as to hand others that power over them. There are plenty of pirates who can't really afford to lose more than a ship or two a month of what they fly, and occasionally do. They get back out in a frigate, because it's a game and they're not ****ed off they can't fly a Tengu around for a while.

Too many people get so caught up in what they want a game to be that they lose sight of and cannot enjoy it for what it is. Eve is a Darwinian space simulator. Just because the only thing you've ever wanted to do is build a sand castle doesn't mean I'm not allowed to enjoy building catapults to knock your castle over with rocks.

It's not my fault you don't want to do the same, I'd welcome the give and take, but in absence of give, I'll take everything you have.

Zoom Sanna
Posted - 2011.02.05 17:19:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Zoom Sanna on 05/02/2011 17:24:20
Edited by: Zoom Sanna on 05/02/2011 17:23:24
What is good?
All that heightens the feeling of power in man, the will to power, power itself.
What is bad? All that is born of weakness.
What is happiness? The feeling that power is growing, that resistance is overcome.

-- Friedrich Nietzsche, The Antichrist, section 2

Also:

Dionysus said: 'Under certain circumstances I love mankind. In my opinion man is an agreeable, brave, inventive animal, that has not his equal on earth, he makes his way even through all labyrinths. I like man, and often think how I can still further advance him, and make him stronger, more evil, and more profound.'

'Stronger, more evil, and more profound?' I asked in horror.

'Yes,' he said again, 'stronger, more evil, and more profound; also more beautiful' - and thereby the tempter-god smiled with his halcyon smile, as though he had just paid some charming compliment.

Horizonist
Yulai Guard 2nd Fleet
Yulai Federation
Posted - 2011.02.05 17:58:00 - [84]
 

Do we care? Ignore them, give them no tears, move on, fly safer, fly smarter (if you for some reason have lost ships to them). There really is not much more to it.

Missy Spank
Posted - 2011.02.05 23:01:00 - [85]
 

I usually shart after Taco Bell.

Brynhilda
Amarr
Massive PVPness
Posted - 2011.02.05 23:10:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Eternum Praetorian
Edited by: Eternum Praetorian on 04/02/2011 14:10:43

Stuff




I'm just curious. Did all of that happen to you when you were one of the "Skilled" pilots or just an observation?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.02.06 09:10:00 - [87]
 

Oh man, look at all dem wall of texts..

John Tacos
Posted - 2011.02.06 14:27:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Alotta Baggage
Inside the mind of a griefer: TACOS!!!



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