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cyndrogen
Posted - 2011.02.01 02:20:00 - [1]
 

So with Incursion we got to play with the next gen character tools, way cool!

But we are still flying the same old ships from 2003, with the exception of the scorpion and the new primae hull.

Now I know CCP is busy with DUST and other projects like "World of Darkness"
but I'm sure that eventually we will also get new shiny ships to fly!

So my question to CCP is this: Are there any plans to revamp all the ships with new graphics and update them to your new standards? If so can you guesstimate when?

The majority of ships feel dated now compared to the new character creator.
Ofcourse I would much rather have a lag free game but would be nice to get both.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.02.01 02:23:00 - [2]
 

They were redone a few years ago for Trinity, so they are not the "same old ships from 2003".

Steve Thomas
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.01 02:34:00 - [3]
 

Overhualing all of the ships takes a lot of time and work,(and with new ships every expansion or so the ammount of work increases almost geometricaly) they were already overhauld for shader 3.0 (AND shader 2.0, but that work is bascialy about to be history) they are, bascialy, hopeing that they dont find that next month they need to start overhauling them for shader 5.0 since the only work they do for shader 4.0 is limmited to makeing sure that running shader 4.0 does not cause issues.

Emma Hewitt
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.01 02:37:00 - [4]
 

And since 2003 there have been tons of new ships, look around...open your eyes. They now have T3 ships...new BS is coming. Tiers of ships of been released since 2003 Rolling Eyes
I don't see a need for a 'revamp' of all ships.

cyndrogen
Posted - 2011.02.01 02:44:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: cyndrogen on 01/02/2011 02:44:59
Originally by: Emma Hewitt
And since 2003 there have been tons of new ships, look around...open your eyes. They now have T3 ships...new BS is coming. Tiers of ships of been released since 2003 Rolling Eyes
I don't see a need for a 'revamp' of all ships.


correction a revamp of ancient ships, like the frigates. t3 has a cool design and is more in line with the new scorpion hull. Still I see ships which look very polygonal still and do not represent the level of detail found on t3.

also mining barges, they look like giant space wrenches!

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.02.01 03:05:00 - [6]
 

They have been re-texturing ships such as the barges which probably means there won't be new models anytime soon.

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.02.01 03:12:00 - [7]
 

I think CCP should try a ship customizer like City of Heroes costume creator.

Emma Hewitt
Gallente
Posted - 2011.02.01 03:15:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: cyndrogen
Edited by: cyndrogen on 01/02/2011 02:44:59
Originally by: Emma Hewitt
And since 2003 there have been tons of new ships, look around...open your eyes. They now have T3 ships...new BS is coming. Tiers of ships of been released since 2003 Rolling Eyes
I don't see a need for a 'revamp' of all ships.


correction a revamp of ancient ships, like the frigates. t3 has a cool design and is more in line with the new scorpion hull. Still I see ships which look very polygonal still and do not represent the level of detail found on t3.

also mining barges, they look like giant space wrenches!


Giant space wrenches lol got to agree with you on that one and they look exactly the same.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.01 03:29:00 - [9]
 

I want those cool Angel ships that you see in low level missions but seem to vanish once you start doing higher ones. I can't remember the names off-hand, but am sure someone knows...

Personally, I am quite fond of some of the old designs... Maybe just a tweak to up the res of the textures a little, otherwise leave them be... I was one who wasn't so fussed on the Scorpion remodel, and I think Tech 3s aren't so great either. They both look a little cartoony for my taste.

Ai Shun
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.01 03:36:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: cyndrogen
Now I know CCP is busy with DUST and other projects like "World of Darkness"
but I'm sure that eventually we will also get new shiny ships to fly!


Have you been to the CCP website to see how their different teams are structured? E.g. what CCP Atlanta is working on, what CCP Shanghai is working on, etc? Look through their job boards.

The other games should not impact on what you are seeing in EVE.

W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
Posted - 2011.02.01 04:04:00 - [11]
 

in 2003 there were no destroyers in game or battlecruisers.

no tier3 battleships, no advanced industrial ships.
there were no interceptors, no covops, no assault ships, no interdictors or recon ships. no logistics, no heavy interdictors no hacs, no marauders, no blackops BB.

no tech3 strategic cruisers of which each one can be turned into many different ships unto themselves. no mining barges, no exhumers, no freighters, no jump freighters.

no dreadnoughts, no carriers, no capital industrial ships, no super capitals.
even the amarr magnate did not exist yet and no sigil.

all those ships above and ship classes were added to the game over the years which much more than doubled the number of ships we could fly in game. and on top of that an additional free gift ship was invented each year and added to the game.

they also all got updated with new skins to look nicer.
not enough?

Archbeholder
Posted - 2011.02.01 06:58:00 - [12]
 

Who needs silly ships when you can WALK in stations!!!
I mean every other game got those spaceships, but NONE of them has the walking part.

Ryhss
Caldari
The Excecutorans
Posted - 2011.02.01 07:16:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Archbeholder
Who needs silly ships when you can WALK in stations!!!
I mean every other game got those spaceships, but NONE of them has the walking part.
Smell that? Sarcasm....

Cpt Farnham
Posted - 2011.02.01 08:59:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Cpt Farnham on 01/02/2011 09:02:44
I remember the Interceptors being released, and using my crusader to pew pew NPC's in Aridia. Brings a tear to the eye to remember those joyful days of noobhood, flying round low sec in mining laser fit apoc's without a care in the world...

What was the topic again, think i got off topic

Jennifer Starling
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.02.01 09:04:00 - [15]
 

I don't want new ships, I want to be able to fly the old ones!

PTang
Posted - 2011.02.01 09:14:00 - [16]
 

OMG, trinity was not reskining ships.

In trinity they completely remoded every single ship in the game to 2000 polys *used to be 500-1000*

then using those models they made the ships as models with 2 million polys.

These 2 million poly models are made using mudbox/zbrush/maya.

Then the high poly models are projected onto the low poly models as normal maps.



The new tech 3 ships and scropion have a new texture type. BAsicly right now normal maps are rendered using 256x256 maps, while the diffuse map *thats the painted texture* are done at 512x512.

With the new ships they have swaped those texture maps. Doubling the size of the normal map while halfing the size of the painted texture. This results in a much better texture map.

also they have a 3rd texture map for alpha, which is how new ships have text on them that is readable despite terrible diffuse texture sizes.

Jiitta
Posted - 2011.02.01 09:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I don't want new ships, I want to be able to fly the old ones!


I want to be able to fly ships in stations!

Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.02.01 10:51:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: PTang
OMG, trinity was not reskining ships.

Indeed, and if anyone thinks differently please enjoy.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jiitta
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I don't want new ships, I want to be able to fly the old ones!
I want to be able to fly ships in stations!
I want to be able to fly ships into stations.

…but only to the sounds of An der schönen blauen Donau and while having to match the rotation of the station (or else, kabloooie!… although I suspect some would do that intentionally).

waltari
Caldari
SKEET ELITE
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:02:00 - [20]
 

there was some design contest or whatnot so theres a hope, but some of the ships indeed can be tweaked a bit so they wont look like giant flat d*ck (geddon), tin can opener (apoc), flat something what doesnt look like drake at all and so on.

btw anyone else feels the need to vomit when seeing moa hull?

Dr Sheepbringer
Gallente
Halinallen veroparatiisi
Inglorious Carebears
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:18:00 - [21]
 

Well the new ships will probably have the same idea of construction as the T3's have at the moment. Perhaps the only new ships in the pipeline are T3's. Of course having all T3 ships would make the rest of the ships quite obsolete and the terms of using them. Of course there is the price, but having T3 in every ship class would pretty much destroy T2's.

I'm still waiting for new textures for the old ones, because the new ships (noctis) look far better when it comes to textures. Add new slowly, but update the textures on the old ones! I mean really make them good!

Also one has to remember that with the MDW "boost?" being able to be used in missions is a big step. Also CCP pointed out that the system is now balanced enough to actually make it work. They are starting to find the balance of ships in Eve and this of course makes adding new ships easier. Yes, we still have dramiel that's a bit too owerpowered and others, but when you think about it. The balance with modules and such is starting to get better. Even the T3's which are a balance nightmare are fitting into eve nicely.

My guess when a next BIG ship update comes? When they notice everything else under the hood is working and the ships are the ones causing more lag and there is a way to fix that. Technology gets better and when it does the currents models might become too heavy. No point in doing a revamp of ships if it will only make the a bit cooler and nothing else. Better to spend the time and effort on something that will be a step up.

Of course characters aren't really adding when it comes to lag (well perhaps the avatars), but don't forget the goals of Eve itself. If they only wanted to fight lag...we would fly minecraft copies of spaceships. Wanted or not, Eve is also about flying in a beautiful space and experiencing it. Walking in station is adding to the experience. More players = more fun for us too :) I miss the times when one could talk to individuals and now people have like 10x alts. CCP still gets the money from it, but I prefer players over alts.

Octodecillion
Amarr
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:28:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jiitta
Originally by: Jennifer Starling
I don't want new ships, I want to be able to fly the old ones!
I want to be able to fly ships in stations!
I want to be able to fly ships into stations.

…but only to the sounds of An der schönen blauen Donau and while having to match the rotation of the station (or else, kabloooie!… although I suspect some would do that intentionally).


Elite 1984 Very Happy those where the days.

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.02.01 12:17:00 - [23]
 

They're right there, did you not see them?

Claska
Amarr
The 8th Tribe Seraphim
Dragoons.
Posted - 2011.02.01 12:49:00 - [24]
 

New ships? where is the info on this?

captain skinback
Posted - 2011.02.01 13:51:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Claska
New ships? where is the info on this?


from the create a ship contest
the winning ships all look like crap.


Pearre Dash
Posted - 2011.02.01 13:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: waltari
flat something what doesnt look like drake at all and so on.


The Drake actually looks A LOT like a drake.

A drake is a male duck.

Mocam
Posted - 2011.02.01 14:04:00 - [27]
 

Actually they didn't release new ships but they did retouch many of the models.

Part of the incursion release information includes a video interview with one of the artists who talks about how they had to retouch many of the ships due to some of the graphics changes -- the guy who talks about the "god rays".

As for redoing them - they did say they would be reworking the models a bit back when the scorpion was redone. We'll just have to wait and see how it goes.

ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.02.01 14:17:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Claska
New ships? where is the info on this?

Did you miss the ship contest? the winner is supposed to be added to the game.
CCP will probably make new ones for the other races then.

When? Soon(tm).

SirSpectre
Gallente
Harbingers Of Destruction
Posted - 2011.02.01 14:55:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: cyndrogen
So with Incursion we got to play with the next gen character tools, way cool!

But we are still flying the same old ships from 2003, with the exception of the scorpion and the new primae hull.

Now I know CCP is busy with DUST and other projects like "World of Darkness"
but I'm sure that eventually we will also get new shiny ships to fly!

So my question to CCP is this: Are there any plans to revamp all the ships with new graphics and update them to your new standards? If so can you guesstimate when?

The majority of ships feel dated now compared to the new character creator.
Ofcourse I would much rather have a lag free game but would be nice to get both.


They were COMPLETELY redone 3 years ago. Look up some old screen shots and compare. You will see the drastic difference.


 

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