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Inspiration
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:46:00 - [1]
 

It is like several incursions a day are eliminated, and spread so thin that this content is hardly reachable for many.

Any thoughts?

Pellit1
Caldari
Fatality.
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:49:00 - [2]
 

Agreed.
They were definitely too hard before, but now they're just ridiculously easy. It's meant to be a damn challenge and probably not for newbs to hop into in their t1 fitted merlins and rifters.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:49:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Cambarus on 31/01/2011 17:50:21
CCP was talking about leaving the recharge rate as it is now, but lowering the effect clearing each incursion site has on the sansha control of the area. I imagine that's how it's going to get done, at least I hope so, I think the last highsec incursion only lasted like 6 hours >_>


EDIT:CCP did NOT change the incursion sites themselves. They only lowered the rate at which sansha reclaim the space they're invading. The actual sites in the incursion are no easier now than they were before, and I say this having run them on sisi before they even went live + having run them since the first one spawned.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:53:00 - [4]
 

It doesn't really feel like the difficulty changed much, but I'm thinking all the whiners who warped their T3/Mararuders in Vanguard sites solo have long since died and cried themselves out of EVE.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.01.31 17:55:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Goose99 on 31/01/2011 17:54:52
Nullsec incursions are not getting beat back as is. Buffing them won't help. What we need to do is attaching steep penalty to them, like stop moo goo production for the duration, and sansha destroying all infrastructure/upgrades if incursion is not defeated.Cool

Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation
Frontline Assembly Point
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:01:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Goose99
Nullsec incursions are not getting beat back as is. Buffing them won't help. What we need to do is attaching steep penalty to them, like stop moo goo production for the duration, and sansha destroying all infrastructure/upgrades if incursion is not defeated.Cool

... or have less high-sec incursions.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:19:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Goose99
Nullsec incursions are not getting beat back as is. Buffing them won't help. What we need to do is attaching steep penalty to them, like stop moo goo production for the duration, and sansha destroying all infrastructure/upgrades if incursion is not defeated.Cool

... or have less high-sec incursions.


Which won't do a thing....

Herping yourDerp
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:40:00 - [8]
 

putting incursions in only low/null will mean almost no one will use the content.

Kruullien
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:42:00 - [9]
 

I remember seeing a player complain about his drake getting 4-shotted.

"This is bull! They shouldn't 4 shot my drake!"

I lol'd

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.31 18:46:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Goose99
Edited by: Goose99 on 31/01/2011 17:54:52
Nullsec incursions are not getting beat back as is. Buffing them won't help. What we need to do is attaching steep penalty to them, like stop moo goo production for the duration, and sansha destroying all infrastructure/upgrades if incursion is not defeated.Cool
Incursions need to be limited to empire space. 0.0 residents farm npc's to create isk to fund their PvP. 0.0 incursions are too annoying for their meager rewards, what with the SC BPO drop being limited to low sec.

If there is some 'story' reason for incursions to happen in 0.0 (which is doubtful) then perhaps some reward drops need to be added to create a reason for the locals to care. Here's a possible list of the drops: blueprints for all those devices/modules that allow Sansha to open wormholes, cyno-jam systems without on-lining anything, interrupt jb operation without on-lining anything, produce system-wide nerfs, and other stuff.

Goose99
Posted - 2011.01.31 19:38:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Goose99
Edited by: Goose99 on 31/01/2011 17:54:52
Nullsec incursions are not getting beat back as is. Buffing them won't help. What we need to do is attaching steep penalty to them, like stop moo goo production for the duration, and sansha destroying all infrastructure/upgrades if incursion is not defeated.Cool
Incursions need to be limited to empire space. 0.0 residents farm npc's to create isk to fund their PvP. 0.0 incursions are too annoying for their meager rewards, what with the SC BPO drop being limited to low sec.

If there is some 'story' reason for incursions to happen in 0.0 (which is doubtful) then perhaps some reward drops need to be added to create a reason for the locals to care. Here's a possible list of the drops: blueprints for all those devices/modules that allow Sansha to open wormholes, cyno-jam systems without on-lining anything, interrupt jb operation without on-lining anything, produce system-wide nerfs, and other stuff.


Lol, yes, that's exactly why sov-null incursions need to have consequences. If an incursion stops moo goo, destroy infrastructure/upgrades if not defeated, you farmers would actually do them.Laughing

Highsec carebears do them without rewards. We need to make it so you sov-null carebears would also do it without rewards.

StarRanger
Gallente
Royal Star Ranger Family
Posted - 2011.01.31 20:05:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Goose99
If an incursion stops moo goo, destroy infrastructure/upgrades if not defeated, you farmers would actually do them.Laughing


thats a great idea even, lol, and really would need to get out the space owners to get of there asses and defend there space actually Cool

insulubria
Posted - 2011.01.31 20:09:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kruullien
I remember seeing a player complain about his drake getting 4-shotted.

"This is bull! They shouldn't 4 shot my drake!"

I lol'd


yeah I've seen that a few times.

I've also seen "WTF my drake lasted 3-5 seconds"

when I'm filtering through people X'ing for fleet I get them to link their fit, usually its 2x EM 2x Thermal

in which case I point out the torpedo bombers will probably volley them. and they should fit omni-resistances.

we were also short 1 player for vangaurds, and this prophecy undocked where we had our fleet idling so we invite him

Once in the mission we notice hes got railguns etc.

got him to post his fit, hes got t1 platings and a gyrostab instead of a magstab :<

the raw ammount of pure-fail is astonishing.

In the last hi-sec incursion the first 5 of the top 9 contributor list were from our fleet.


bgummer
Gallente
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.01.31 20:48:00 - [14]
 

+1 for more incursions....only two active atm seems kinda.....well lets just say I want some more psycho space zombies please. would be really cool if they kinda like re-spawned in a somewhat reasonable fashion......but wait a day, thats just mean even for eve.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.01.31 21:10:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Goose99

Lol, yes, that's exactly why sov-null incursions need to have consequences. If an incursion stops moo goo, destroy infrastructure/upgrades if not defeated, you farmers would actually do them.Laughing

Highsec carebears do them without rewards. We need to make it so you sov-null carebears would also do it without rewards.

Incursions are PvE endgame content. High-sec residents do them for fun.

Null-sec residents do PvP for fun (emergent, unscripted,... you know).

If CCP wants to fix 0.0 then it needs to iterate on sovereignty mechanics, local intel, logistics, etc. Disrupting PvP endgame with scripted PvE content is the wrong thing to do. To put it lightly.

prospector oen
Posted - 2011.02.01 10:26:00 - [16]
 

low sec gets ignored and stays in joas constellation

W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:16:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: prospector oen
low sec gets ignored and stays in joas constellation


joas may be forever 'cursed.

TraderJade
Caldari
Secure Production Research and Trading
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:24:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: insulubria
the raw ammount of pure-fail is astonishing.


Thats the reason I've decided to forget about them... trying to get into a decent fleet that isn't mixed or fail tank is impossible.

Marconus Orion
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:29:00 - [19]
 

If you like the idea of Sansha influence affecting moon goo, go here and give my proposal support.

Jojo Jackson
Caldari
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:32:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: TraderJade
Originally by: insulubria
the raw ammount of pure-fail is astonishing.


Thats the reason I've decided to forget about them... trying to get into a decent fleet that isn't mixed or fail tank is impossible.


Not realy, join a player corp with decent player ;).

To bad we can't do the 50man incursions as we aren't enough player :(.

prospector oen
Posted - 2011.02.01 11:41:00 - [21]
 

yup the low sec ones are full of fail, high sec the respawn is about right .... if they respawn within an hour of being beaten back not just a dt respawn ( then it becomes about timezone benefits which ccp put everything else on dynamic replacement)


 

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