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Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:22:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Akita T
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Originally by: Ej Raspujk
So they expanded on this starting area. And now we have incursion.

And any player can choose NOT to participate in them. You don't get trapped with no chance to escape. You can leave just fine.



Not really if Sansha get to deploy bubbles as suggested in this thread. Twisted Evil & Rolling Eyes

I must compliment you on one of the best trolls I have seen. And to be honest I find the "elite PvPers" patting each other back in this tread a mix of amusing and irritating. So smug and at the same time so clueless. [shake head]


Tegan Karus
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:29:00 - [62]
 

Akita T isnt a troll, I know that much just browsing.

Gnulpie
Minmatar
Miner Tech
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:31:00 - [63]
 

I suggested that months ago already in the test server forum while Incursion was still early in development.

And I was not the only one who suggested that.

Guess what happened with that idea... Razz

I AM SPARTACUS
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:36:00 - [64]
 

I don't agree with no Concord. What would make more sense is if Concord actually engaged the Sansha forces as well as anybody making trouble.

Bubbles and no Concord? Might as well just make them low/null sec. Yes I know you can't in low sec.


I AM OFFICER SPARTACUS!

W1rlW1nd
WirlWind
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:37:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: W1rlW1nd
Originally by: Quemist
Wouldn't that be more realistic? Why aren't they podding people?

but the sanshas need live bodies.
...they should be adding our individual distinctiveness to their own collective...

They get enough of those through abductions. Besides, if your pod gets away, they're not exactly getting any live bodies if they don't pod you, are they ? ...


hmmm, well there could be a mechanic where sansha attempt to tractor in your pod [warp scrambled] if you do not warp away before they lock on, and if your buddies fail to kill the sansha ship in time to release you then your pod disappears...

...and you wake up somewhere random in eve, in control of one of those cheapo sansha frigs that patrol belts. from there you are red to all players and are free to go wherever you want and attack players at will with your little pee shooter guns until someone kills you off for good, or you eject and suicide yourself...

... at which point you wake up in the clone vat like usual as in:
the only way for a capsuleer to escape the enslavement of sansha is to get true pod death to your next untainted clone.


Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.28 07:42:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Tegan Karus
Akita T isnt a troll, I know that much just browsing.


No, but this thread is. And a very good one. It get exactly what a good troll sholuld aim for, a mix of irritation and amusement.

Miss Krunk
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:02:00 - [67]
 

Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.

Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?


Tegan Karus
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:14:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Miss Krunk
Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.

Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?




I have my main, she uses a Nightmare and a |Golum and sure Its in a noob corp because I cant risk someone deciding to stop my income, I mean seriously, I just cant. I pay for my second account using Plex though and last night got involved in a fleet, learned how it workd with logistics and such. Carebears will and do step up. If you look at the news higgh sec incursions were contested whereas low sec were not.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:18:00 - [69]
 

This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough! Razz

Tegan Karus
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:27:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough! Razz

Have you warped into a HQ Bill?

Hal Pelaeon
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:28:00 - [71]
 

I fully support this thread, make incursions the source of even more tears!

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:31:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough! Razz

Have you warped into a HQ Bill?

Aye, I have. Warped in with a cloaky ship to scoop the goodies from the space piñatas people insisted on bringing the first two days.Twisted Evil

Tegan Karus
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:36:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Illwill Bill
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Illwill Bill
This thread needs blue bars, tbh. Incursions simply aren't evil enough! Razz

Have you warped into a HQ Bill?

Aye, I have. Warped in with a cloaky ship to scoop the goodies from the space piñatas people insisted on bringing the first two days.Twisted Evil


Illwill, so you uncloaked and ninja'd wrecks, well fair play. I havent tried it, so I cant say it isnt possible. I would say that the spawns are evil if you actually try to kill something though.

My Postman
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:49:00 - [74]
 

Excuse Akita, but as i know you as a well respected forum dweller, i´ve only got one question:

Have you been drinking (or worse) before making your post?

These incursions are hard enough, and you WILL lose your ship, when unlucky get primaried the first second after jump in. So, do you find it a good idea jumping in, landing in a bubble AND get primaried the first second?

After this SURE shiploss you feel you have to lose your implants too, by getting podded?

But i support the idea by getting smacked in local from those sanshas for the lulz.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.01.28 08:50:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Illwill Bill on 28/01/2011 08:50:40
Originally by: Tegan Karus
Illwill, so you uncloaked and ninja'd wrecks, well fair play. I havent tried it, so I cant say it isnt possible. I would say that the spawns are evil if you actually try to kill something though.

Here's the deal: Tons of people did what you suggested; warping directly into an HQ, and subsequently died horribly in plasma fires. However, it's actually about gathering a group of people and to WORK TOGETHER, starting with the smaller sites and then working your way up.

Incursions aren't a walk in the park, nor should they be. They provide a challenging experience, and are rewarded accordingly. All I want is an adjustment of the risk/reward ratio.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.01.28 09:00:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Tegan Karus
Originally by: Miss Krunk
Don't know how many of you actually played WoW, but Blizzard pulled a similar stunt but on a much smaller scale. In one of their raids, the introduced the Faction Champs fight......which was supposed to mirror a PvP encounter. Well, people wiped on it left and right and it killed every pug that attempted it. It was known as the slayer of pugs lol. People whined and whined until it got eventually got nerfed into the ground.

Now take that, expand it by 1000 and apply it to EvE where when you wipe you lose your stuff. Is anyone really surprised that the carebears, who normally want nothing to do with PvP, and not enjoying this event?




I have my main, she uses a Nightmare and a |Golum and sure Its in a noob corp because I cant risk someone deciding to stop my income, I mean seriously, I just cant. I pay for my second account using Plex though and last night got involved in a fleet, learned how it workd with logistics and such. Carebears will and do step up. If you look at the news higgh sec incursions were contested whereas low sec were not.


Thats because bears are more adaptable than botsLaughing

Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2011.01.28 09:02:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: yani dumyat
No, you'd just have to spam warp, I mean is it really hard to do?
No, it's rather trivial actually. Not hard at all. Which begs the question, why have it when the only gameplay it introduces is "spamming warp"?

On the other hands. It's a mechanic that screws over the player when it lags. Incursions have lots of lag.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:09:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
[...]why have it when the only gameplay it introduces is "spamming warp"?
On the other hands. It's a mechanic that screws over the player when it lags. Incursions have lots of lag.

PvP can also have loads of lag Very Happy Actually, it very often does. And not always evenly.
Besides, having a pod hanging around to provide intel (positions, numbers and such) is a mild advantage to those in the fleet (or just communicating with those in a fleet about to come in, anyway).
They don't have to target pods primarily, heck, they could have (one of) the lowest possible targeting priority (so they only hunt down pods when all//most ships are kaboominated), but the threat of podding should exist, even if mostly as an afterthought.

Cathy Drall
Amarr
Royal Amarr Institute
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:17:00 - [79]
 

I don't know why but I have the feeling that the line between "really feel like PvP" and "PvP" is getting very, very thin this way .. Cool

I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious?? Razz

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:20:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 28/01/2011 13:22:55
Originally by: Akita T
Or, hell, let us also JOIN the Sansha side, and get SANSHA LP for assisting with the destruction of capsuleers in Incursion systems.
Twisted Evil


+1

There are Sansha loyalists all over the place wishing they could actually RR sansha ships without CONCORD intervention. Poor bastards get left out even after pledging their support!

... and what would be really cool is if the Sansha forces would hot drop supercarriers on you when you start attacking their bait fleet. Y'know, to really be authentic to the lowsec/nullsec feeling :)

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:21:00 - [81]
 

I am waiting for the incursion on jita and the tears to really flow. Sure ccp are going to have to do this once every 6 months.

Keep up the good work ccp


Ovella
Posted - 2011.01.28 13:44:00 - [82]
 

They should also camp stations (and gates in highsec - which I don't think is done), ocasionaly warp in missions/safespots and attack structures (POSes/TCUs and stuff), with all other ideas THAT would feel like an actual invasion, now it's just pointless spawning of 'plexes in systems.

Also, no missions should be given out while incursion is underway - have carebears contribute to more immedeate threat to consellation than agent running out of exotic dancers.

Oh, and Sansha totaly shouldn't move away after a week if face no resistance - have them "capture" stations and deny docking until they are taken out (not to mention that I find incredably stupid that players can dock with faction/corporation standing less than -5).

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.01.28 14:13:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall
I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious?? Razz

Only technetium and nanotransistors, but if Sanshas start podding, the ship losses should actually go down as some people will be afraid to go in...
...so it would be counter-productive for that purpose anyway even if I would have a large pile of ships to be sold Twisted Evil

Meridith Akesia
Stimulus
Posted - 2011.01.28 14:20:00 - [84]
 

Who gets podded outside of nullsec anyway ugh

Fumbleface
Posted - 2011.01.28 15:29:00 - [85]
 

Podding in Incursions is a bad idea! Period.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.01.28 15:47:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Akita T
stuff



In addition, they should logoffski when you engage with a superior force (no rewards for you) and be able to read your fleet chat / target broadcasts so they can counter your maneuvers (switch targets when someone gets reps, kill the FC).


Dhaul
Agent-Orange
Nabaal Syndicate
Posted - 2011.01.28 16:04:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Akita T
* there should be no CONCORD presence in the system while an Incursion is running (bonus points for fixing the RR-CONCORDOKKENED issue with this) -- optionally, have faction police//customs respond instead of CONCORD (so that you can try and maybe even succeed in escaping without it being deemed an exploit, but it would still not be a piece of cake)


This is the biggest thing IMO. The fact that CONCORD still appears in sansha invaded systems is completely immersion breaking and really lame.

This will never happen, though. The carebear tears would be too numerous.

Ana Vyr
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.28 17:07:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Cathy Drall
I don't know why but I have the feeling that the line between "really feel like PvP" and "PvP" is getting very, very thin this way .. Cool

I guess Akita T has a huge stack of Drakes that need to be sold?
Or am I being unreasonably suspicious?? Razz


Nope, this is right on the money. Tis exactly what I was thinking. Akita posts on the market forums a fair bit :).

Goose99
Posted - 2011.01.28 17:12:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 27/01/2011 02:20:08



SANSHA INCURSION VESSELS SHOULD TRY TO POD YOU.
Twisted Evil


Other evil ideas collected from below:

* THEY SHOULD SMACK-TALK IN LOCAL (optionally naming pilots they just obliterated), but in an appropriate RP fashion -- scripted

* have CCP-controlled Sansha NPCs that would roleplay in forum reply posts made in threads complaining about incursions -- partially scripted, partially CCP event team employees having a bit of fun

* they should use HICs and maybe even bubbles in all Incursion systems... and so should we be able to do while the incursion is running

* there should be no CONCORD presence in the system while an Incursion is running (bonus points for fixing the RR-CONCORDOKKENED issue with this) -- optionally, have faction police//customs respond instead of CONCORD (so that you can try and maybe even succeed in escaping without it being deemed an exploit, but it would still not be a piece of cake)

* make some pro-Sansha sites where you trash on relief convoys or establish sansha outposts by clearing areas of faction police or (gasp) CONCORD. Completing their incursion sites deepens the incursion effects and spreads the incursions to new systems. You also get SANSHA LP.



Nullsec incursions already exist, there are 3 of them, you should go there and do sites.Laughing

Centri Sixx
Posted - 2011.01.28 17:17:00 - [90]
 

Akita is a well known market muncher. Of course this would be good, Akita would set up buy and sell orders for implants and arbitrage the hell out of them. Market munchers have no real interest in the long term health of the game, just in what mades the iskie balance bigger. Like in real life.

Keep in mind, that right now incursions are new. Eventually, people are going to get tired of them, and the PUGS will go back to doing what they were before. The sane solution would be to continually expand on the types of incursion missions, opening them up to more than a spider fleet of rr battleships and logis. Doubt CCP will do that though, so don't expect them to get harder.



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