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kajumar
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:14:00 - [1]
 

i have been doing a fair few sites and from what has occurred doing incursions is pointless as the fleet size you need to handle each site is almost double than the maximum allowance for concord lp and any isk.
compaie that the the very likely possibility you will die incursion will cost u more isk than u make. only the most experienced fleets will struggle to the the amounts ccp says esp in high sec low seq might be a exeption as may cap ships make it easier .


Shanlara
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:16:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: kajumar
i have been doing a fair few sites and from what has occurred doing incursions is pointless as the fleet size you need to handle each site is almost double than the maximum allowance for concord lp and any isk.
compaie that the the very likely possibility you will die incursion will cost u more isk than u make. only the most experienced fleets will struggle to the the amounts ccp says esp in high sec low seq might be a exeption as may cap ships make it easier .




it's highly doable, just need to think about your setup before you go :) random ships will lose.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:16:00 - [3]
 

lol @ "WHA, my drake spam no workie"

-working as intended...

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:17:00 - [4]
 

Yes, incursions are hard. Yes, incursions are quite doable with well fit ships, good setups, and proper RR and ECM support.

It's day 1, don't expect to go in and roll over the sites without practice (if so it would be no fun).

Count Chamberlain
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:19:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Count Chamberlain on 25/01/2011 20:20:37
Have to agree with OP.
Went in with at least 800 dps omni tank + speed tank.
Insta-popped.

naturaly...im not too chuffed :/Sad

Edit: I was in a tengu. Along with a BS and Navy Frigate, we couldnt scratch a Sansha Frigate.

inb4 "n00bfit"

kajumar
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:19:00 - [6]
 

we had 3 log ships one was instant popped as soon as we warped in and the same then happened to our tackle ships so how can you defend against that

n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:21:00 - [7]
 

Vanguards with 6 pilots.. Check
Assaults with 10 pilots... Check

I see nothing wrong here.

Elleni Stareru
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:21:00 - [8]
 

one is heading in solo, others are using logi.... against this AI, guys this isnt a tournament, do the BS spider tanking, seriosely...

Iden Secundus
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:23:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: mechtech
Yes, incursions are hard. Yes, incursions are quite doable with well fit ships, good setups, and proper RR and ECM support.

It's day 1, don't expect to go in and roll over the sites without practice (if so it would be no fun).

Yes, RR-support - have fun...

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s55/ego_terrorist/concorded.jpg

Count Chamberlain
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: n00n3r
Vanguards with 6 pilots.. Check
Assaults with 10 pilots... Check

I see nothing wrong here.


only way we did it was with a fleet of about 50 :/ and we still took losses.

n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:24:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: kajumar
we had 3 log ships one was instant popped as soon as we warped in and the same then happened to our tackle ships so how can you defend against that


Bigger tanksRazz this gives those ships a little breathing room until you can get reps on. Also, ECM works wonders for getting those high DPS ships out of the picture...

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:24:00 - [12]
 

Incursions were designed to be more like PvP against AI enemies rather than "classic" PvE.
Fit and think accordingly and you should have far less problems.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:24:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Count Chamberlain
Edited by: Count Chamberlain on 25/01/2011 20:20:37
Have to agree with OP.
Went in with at least 800 dps omni tank + speed tank.
Insta-popped.

naturaly...im not too chuffed :/Sad

Edit: I was in a tengu. Along with a BS and Navy Frigate, we couldnt scratch a Sansha Frigate.

inb4 "n00bfit"


n00btactics

Takashi X2
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:26:00 - [14]
 

The problem i see with most people is they are trying to self tank instead of buffer and spider. ****s getting insta popped cuz they are hoping the stuff with a high sustanable tank can live through being volleyed

n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:29:00 - [15]
 

in our experience, we found the hardest step to overcome in regard to completing these sights was on initial warp in. Once you have your tanks/remote rep/cap transfers set up the site becomes trivial.

This is where the Buffer Fits come into play. They will allow you to soak up just that little extra damage while your trying to get the logistics support up.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:30:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: mechtech
Yes, incursions are hard. Yes, incursions are quite doable with well fit ships, good setups, and proper RR and ECM support.

It's day 1, don't expect to go in and roll over the sites without practice (if so it would be no fun).
^^ This.

These are not your daddies L4 missions, and the sites have not been dissected yet to figure out every last detail about them. Quite a few people will go into these expecting to use ye olde mission fits and tactics, when the whole point is that it won't be like those missions. Nor is it (entirely) like w-space, since the AI and ship capabilities have been tweaked.

They are certainly doable at the fleet sizes listed you just have to actually put together a working fleet, rather than just throw together some ships until you have the right number.

Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:31:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Aessoroz on 25/01/2011 20:31:16
Originally by: Takashi X2
The problem i see with most people is they are trying to self tank instead of buffer and spider. ****s getting insta popped cuz they are hoping the stuff with a high sustanable tank can live through being volleyed


Exactly, I've seen fleets of drakes die in a fire cause well drakes are just stupid self tankers. I do love the loot though, I am using a scorpion to warp in and jam out anything harmful, grab the loot, jam the scrammers and out I go :D

kajumar
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:36:00 - [18]
 

alsos the rewards really dont seem to represent the risk of the incursion as you will earn more isk doing L4 missions without the grealy increased risk of getting popped

n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:39:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: kajumar
alsos the rewards really dont seem to represent the risk of the incursion as you will earn more isk doing L4 missions without the grealy increased risk of getting popped



50-70M isk/hour + LP's is not a good reward?

kajumar
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:41:00 - [20]
 

divide it by 20 is its shaired between you fleet that how much u will actually get

Yuki Kulotsuki
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:43:00 - [21]
 

^ doing it wrong

n00n3r
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:43:00 - [22]
 

you're wrong, that reward amount is PER PLAYER

kajumar
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:47:00 - [23]
 

so you are saying you can do 5-6 class 3 sites in high sec in a hour

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:48:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: kajumar
alsos the rewards really dont seem to represent the risk of the incursion as you will earn more isk doing L4 missions without the grealy increased risk of getting popped



Oh. We're supposed to be grinding these for isk? I thought they were supposed to be challenging and fun.

I guess I'm just a big fat dummy.

KB

gfldex
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:49:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: kajumar
so you are saying you can do 5-6 class 3 sites in high sec in a hour


You can, until all sanshas are toast. Then you have to wait for another incursion to spawn.

Count Chamberlain
Posted - 2011.01.25 20:52:00 - [26]
 

This wasn't challenging or fun.
The events where supposed to be more PVP like.
Those Sansha ships no doubt had impossible fits.
typical CCP

CCP Incognito

Posted - 2011.01.25 21:03:00 - [27]
 

I can say that the incursion encounters have all been play tested and mass tested on sisi with the recommended number of ships.

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2011.01.25 21:04:00 - [28]
 


There was much talk at FF2009 about what CCP could do to make E-O more challenging to veteran players. People in the audience essentially described bit-for-bit these Incursions.

CCP-giving the people what they want (who'd'a thunk it?)


Mashie Saldana
Minmatar
Veto Corp
Posted - 2011.01.25 21:08:00 - [29]
 

Just bring your best deadspace fit Golems and you will be just fine. Logistics are overrated.

Count Chamberlain
Posted - 2011.01.25 21:11:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Just bring your best deadspace fit Golems and you will be just fine. Logistics are overrated.


yes...because we all have them :)


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