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Billy Gunslinger
Posted - 2011.01.17 05:19:00 - [1]
 

Here's the deal;

My corp was part of an alliance. We left the alliance when it got decced. The deccers then stop deccing the alliance but reissued another dec on us. Is this considered valid game mechanics? When is it no longer considered valid?

Kesshisan
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.17 05:25:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Billy Gunslinger
When is it no longer considered valid?


When they run out of isk.

ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Posted - 2011.01.17 09:04:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Billy Gunslinger

My corp was part of an alliance. We left the alliance when it got decced.



First mistake.
You have now made it cheaper for your corp to be decced and have lost out on allies that could have directly helped you.

Originally by: Billy Gunslinger

The deccers then stop deccing the alliance but reissued another dec on us. Is this considered valid game mechanics?



Pretty much, yes.

Originally by: Billy Gunslinger

When is it no longer considered valid?



It will end when:

1. They run out ISK (fat chance)
2. You give them what they want (may encourage them to come back later)
3. They retract the war dec (you have to give them a good reason to do this, see below)

My advice? Get everyone in corp into cheap T1 gank frigates, destroyers, and cruisers and go blow up the most expensive ship your attackers have on field. It's quite amusing to see how fast they'll leave you alone when you mess with their killboard stats. Twisted Evil

Pan Dora
Caldari
Organization for Nuclear Research
Posted - 2011.01.17 10:58:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: ShahFluffers

My advice? Get everyone in corp into cheap T1 gank frigates, destroyers, and cruisers and go blow up the most expensive ship your attackers have on field. It's quite amusing to see how fast they'll leave you alone when you mess with their killboard stats. Twisted Evil


Notice that works for the usual wardec for the lulz we see often(if you are organized enough), but will not be of much help if your corp ****ed off the wrong people.


Billy Gunslinger
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:37:00 - [5]
 

What if it turns out that the deccers are after one particular person....and it seems this may be the case based on the intel I'm given. So is it valid for anyone to continue deccing one person if this person keeps joining a new corp...or even create his own corp as well?

Mal Lokrano
Gallente
The Executives
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:12:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Billy Gunslinger
What if it turns out that the deccers are after one particular person....and it seems this may be the case based on the intel I'm given. So is it valid for anyone to continue deccing one person if this person keeps joining a new corp...or even create his own corp as well?


It is possible yes, although they have to be careful to make sure it isn't to much harassment, because then CCP might step in.

Nika Dekaia
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:34:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Nika Dekaia on 17/01/2011 19:37:23
Originally by: Billy Gunslinger
What if it turns out that the deccers are after one particular person....and it seems this may be the case based on the intel I'm given. So is it valid for anyone to continue deccing one person if this person keeps joining a new corp...or even create his own corp as well?
As Mal Lokrano said, it's kind of a grey area. A corp thief getting hunted down through multiple corps is not unheard of. On the other hand, CCP might have to impose limits to retaliation when it becomes griefing - but when is it griefing and not righteous revenge when someone stole maybe billions of ISK from a corp?

The theme of Eve is one of a harsh and cruel universe where your actions have consequences. The ones hunting that one person might do so until told of by GMs (if that should ever happen). Deccing his new corp? I guesss so (having a corp is a privilege, not a right). Suiciding and griefing him when he is in an NPC corp for months? Maybe not.

Edit: That one person beeing hunted might as well try to negotiate with the ones hunting him. Maybe a neutral person can function as a negotiator.

Jaak 242
Posted - 2011.01.18 11:04:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Jaak 242 on 18/01/2011 11:04:54
When I started playing, I had a mentor who taught me about mining. He took me all the way from Bantam to Retriever and started doing 50/50 splits when he was in a Hulk, and I was in an Osprey.

Then one day I blocked a request for a private conversation. In the end, it cost me 3 corporations, 2 generations of characters and about 20 million SPs.

An experienced player will find you, no matter where you are or what you are doing. Don't make it easy for them by running missions, joining corps or doing anything that makes you show up on the killboards. Of course there isn't much point in playing with these restrictions.

You could head for 0.0 and take your chances there. It's kind of difficult to establish trust relationships there, but it's an easy way to find out what value people place on your friendship.

Edit: Spelling

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:32:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Jaak 242

Then one day I blocked a request for a private conversation. In the end, it cost me 3 corporations, 2 generations of characters and about 20 million SPs.




That right there I'd call harassment. If you've got a beef with someone, it's got to be that character. Pursuing a character and any characters supporting that character is one thing, pursuing a player is something else entirely.

Of course that has to be balanced with the suggestion to 'not suck.' Once you identify yourself as a victim, you'll keep being a victim.

Jaak 242
Posted - 2011.01.20 10:58:00 - [10]
 

Hmmm.

Him = 2006 player
Me = 2009 player

His corp = 125 members
My corp = 3 members.

Yeah, You're right. I should have kicked his *ss.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.20 19:29:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Jaak 242
Hmmm.

Him = 2006 player
Me = 2009 player

His corp = 125 members
My corp = 3 members.

Yeah, You're right. I should have kicked his *ss.


lol, that's called 'asymmetrical warfare' in military parlance. Leverage your out of corp alts. Leverage the fact that they will have more vulnerable solo pilots not paying attention. Leverage the fact that they'll assume you are weak. Leverage the fact that they'll be flying some expensive glass cannons. Leverage the fact that for every expensive kill you get 124 other pilots will be depressed. Learn how to play station games, and how to lure a target off the station. Leverage battleclinic and other killboards as an intel gathering tool. Leverage locator agents. Leverage lowsec, 0.0, w-space, and distant empire as a way of evading unwanted combat. This is EVE, you're never helpless.

There are a lot of tactics in how to win when you probably should be losing, and that's the most fun part of the game. It's cool to see big fleets, but it's fun to kick a big fleet's *ss in a small fleet.

Jaak 242
Posted - 2011.01.21 13:21:00 - [12]
 

To the above, in a word, "No".

There are more cost effective ways to deal with war decs than fighting. I learned them the hard way and use them now.

I'm a miner. As long as the wardec doesn't affect my ability to mine safely, they lose.

Pearre Dash
Posted - 2011.01.21 14:26:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jaak 242
I'm a miner.


This is your first mistake.

You are never "just a miner". Stop thinking in such narrow ways.

Aderata Nonkin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.21 14:51:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Mal Lokrano
be careful to make sure it isn't to much harassment, because then CCP might step in.


Riiiight. And they'll call for FBI and the CIA too. When they're finished investigating the issue, DI Santa Claus will wrap things up in his magic wool bag and take the criminals to his Santa Court in Finland. That's what the tooth fairy told me once.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.01.21 18:37:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Jaak 242
To the above, in a word, "No".

There are more cost effective ways to deal with war decs than fighting. I learned them the hard way and use them now.

I'm a miner. As long as the wardec doesn't affect my ability to mine safely, they lose.


Evasion is a military tactic. If it's your only military tactic, you will always be a victim, and always attract people who will take advantage of your victim-ness. A combination of evasion and other tactics used in asymmetrical warfare (such as guerrilla tactics, cutting supply lines, psychological warfare) you will be a less attractive target.

They never lose unless they don't have fun. Even 1 kill on you, or forcing you to relocate or whatever sign that they've exercised power over you, might be enough for them to win in their minds. A victim, on the other hand, always loses.

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.01.24 11:22:00 - [16]
 

The last 5 war decs have cost me . . . nothing? Makes it difficult for me to feel like a victim.

Until my current strategy stops working I intend to stick with it.


 

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