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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.01.17 11:53:00 - [61]
 

Will I still be able to run EVE with my steam powered difference engine and kinotrope clackers?

Gavjack Bunk
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.01.17 11:55:00 - [62]
 

1's and 0's don't care, and never will.
Lazy programmers care.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:17:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Actually I run the EvE client on a piece of A4 and a set of coloured crayons, its fine at the moment. But does this mean that I will have to write SSE2 before I play every time now? Or will I need a new set of crayons?


Best one so far! My hat is off to you, good Sir!

Vak'ran
TUIG Inc.
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:27:00 - [64]
 

awww now I cant semi-afk nom ice in my workshop Sad

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:38:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Neamus
Actually I run the EvE client on a piece of A4 and a set of coloured crayons, its fine at the moment.

I suspect you get huge lag when someone else enters system...

Mitchell Hagen
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:46:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Teibor
This wont affect me, but to let anyone who does have 1 of these older chips know only 2 days prior to the update stinks imo.

This!!

It turns out that I am affected by this. My 2005-vintage computer runs EVE fine, with graphics settings turned down to low. I can run two instances of the EVE client without difficulty. Sometimes the frame rate is low but I don't play EVE to make fraps movies.

I only found out about this when the Sisi client started crashing after I updated it last week. Then I looked up the SSE2 message and found this thread.

I think it is wrong for players to be told of such a change only two days or so before a patch when subscriptions are paid for with longer periods. Has CCP indicated exactly why this change is necessary?

I cannot upgrade my computer because I lack the money.

Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:51:00 - [67]
 

WTB: EVE client for my Amiga 4000

Aldarica
Spinal Discipline
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:54:00 - [68]
 

Oh well. Guess it's time to go back to Elite.

Schani Kratnorr
x13
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:56:00 - [69]
 

There are two things about this no one cares to mention.

First there is the fact that some players use older machines to run their 2nd/3rd/4th account, and CCP has absolutely no idea how many that is.

I mention this because not knowing could ultimately cost them subscriptions they were not aware were in danger. Personally I suspect 4+ year old machines are quite uncommon as they would have been forced out when the graphics engine was revamped.

Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that.

Simple updates can impact performance. Worryingly, they almost make it through testing without getting noticed and documented. In this case, the error seems to have been identified by a volunteer.

Maybe someone needs to start reading up on documentation for those "modules" the EVE codebase makes use of. If not, CCP runs the risk of suddenly "not supporting this and that due to a change in something we had no idea about."


Reading the devblog I got the same damagecontrol-feeling as I got when I ran in to a friend. He had vomit down his chin and shirt. I asked him if he was "okay because you have vomit on your face?" to which he replied, "that is not vomit and I am fine. Not intoxicated or sick at all."

Chesty McJubblies
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.01.17 12:59:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Borun Tal
God, some of you are so young it's frightening...


Young people scare you, that's frightening.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:01:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
Seriosuly are people really complaining that they cant play an 8 year old game on their 8 year old computer?


fixed.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:04:00 - [72]
 

i thought chips of that kind couldnt use a graphics card that supported the minimum shader spec anyway, so isnt this rather moot?

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:06:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Firkragg
Seriosuly are people really complaining that they cant play a modern game on their 8 year old computer?


What modern game?This game is older than the computers that will not be able to run it anymore.

I don't care because I can play any game out with all settings on high but for the older computer users it is kind of messed up to tell them that they can't run it now.I understand we have to go with the times but at least a months notice whould be nice.

Not just let everyone pay and then say "oh by the way...stuff".

Elleni Stareru
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:09:00 - [74]
 

Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?

Y Berion
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:10:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Elleni Stareru
Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?

Should be just fine.

Elleni Stareru
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:18:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Y Berion
Originally by: Elleni Stareru
Do anyone know if my old AMD athlon 64 duel core will still be supported ?

Should be just fine.


Phew... was getting scared for a moment there, this cpu is 4 years old or so...

Kiko Tojima
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:24:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
...
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that.
...


I also find it very disturbing that they don't test every external codec at the Reykjavik Museum of Natural History. For shame, for shame!

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:25:00 - [78]
 

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897554

download to see if this'll affect you ;-)

Artisan Botanist
Minmatar
Hysteria Nexus
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:26:00 - [79]
 

So much for "it is that good it will run on your amiga" Wink

EffBee Primus
Caldari
DCS Ltd
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:26:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: EffBee Primus on 17/01/2011 13:26:58
Originally by: Dossie Kielle
So, 0.3% of the population are going to be unable to play EVE until they dig their stumpy little T-rex arms into their pockets and buy something that wasn't made circa 1976.
Really, I've said it before, P3 and Athalon XP CPUs should be in museums, not inside your PC.
@ ancient CPU users: Does ship spinning lag you out on lowest graphics?



A PC based on the Athlon XP 2400 with 2 Gig RAM and and Windows XP is a fine little machine even if a little long in the tooth for modern games. I retired mine last winter and bought a more modern beastie but the old chappie is still in use by other family members, perfectly adequately, for non-games stuff. It certainly doesn't belong in a museum. The only reason I stopped using it was because Windows 2000 support died away last year and I though that if I had to rebuild my personal PC environment I might as well do it on new hardware as it takes so long to get everything just right. It was no great extra trouble to set up XP and office on the old beastie. And yes - I have heard of Windows 7. YEs It is ALSO installed in a partition on my new machine, and no - I'm not switching to it till it is a few years old.

I'm not a great fan of the consumer society.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:29:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: HeIIfire11
What modern game?This game is older than the computers that will not be able to run it anymore.
The game is not the same as it was back in 2003.

Incidentally, 2003 was also when the last of these obsoleted processors stopped being manufactured. In fact, the production of most of them had stopped long before that…

Ejit
Amarr
STD contractors
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:30:00 - [82]
 

The boffins at Bletchley Park are not gonna be too happy. They've spent years rebuilding Colossus just for EVE Laughing

EffBee Primus
Caldari
DCS Ltd
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:31:00 - [83]
 

A lot of people don't seem to have the blog.

If I read it right it implies the situation with old processors is a temporary one to be resolved in a week or so, but they are not delaying the deployment of the new version because of the problem.

If I read it right.

I think.

Jekyl Eraser
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:34:00 - [84]
 

Anyone who got game over for this, send me your isk and i'll give it 10% interest incase you can later return to the game. I'm trusted banker. My business plan is flawless because only 10% return back to the game.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:36:00 - [85]
 

People still use pentium 3? Shocked

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:38:00 - [86]
 

Regarding testing on things that should be in a museum...

From CCPs own pages, the minimum requirements are:
Originally by: http://support.eveonline.com/pages/kb/article.aspx?id=124

OS: Windows® XP Service Pack 2 / Vista / 7
CPU: Intel Pentium® or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz
RAM: XP (SP2) – 1 GB / Vista – 1.5 GB
HD space: 6gig Free Space
Network: 56k modem or better Internet connection
Video: 64 MB Shader Model 2.0 Graphics cards such as GeForce FX (5 series) class card or higher, ATi 9500, x300 series or higher and Similar chips from other manufacturers
Drivers: DirectX® 9.0c (included) and latest video drivers
DVD-ROM : 2 speed DVD reader or greater required.

If their testers/developers are not running at least some tests on this environment, then they should be fired, or given a good kick and told to improve!

And when things change, they should ideally give more than 24 hours notice that the game might not be playable for some people who have already paid their subscription. Or that system requirements are changing. Thankfully, it doesn't affect me, but I can understand the unhappiness of the people that it does affect.

The bit that I find more incredulous is the bit that says (paraphrased): "We got some client crashes. The logs said nothing so after 5 minutes we thought that we'd not continue investigating it." If the logs say nothing, then get a crash dump off some-one and then beef up the logs for a couple of builds in the area that caused the crash.

Keta Fraal
Nul and Booleans
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:39:00 - [87]
 

1. If improving the standard requirements for running the game client allows development to move forward, then the arguments for stagnation will be lost with the passage of time.

2. If you currently are finding it increasingly difficult to keep up with the bell curve, then you should consider some minor adjustments in order to find satisfaction.

You gotta find the humor in "BuddyCheapGuy" playing EvE and just getting by, and simultaneously just getting by in real life while complaining: "I'm all for progress, but enough is enough!" Playing games is a luxury, but a lot of us use this sandbox as a means of feeling like some badass tycoon warrior, while real life issues are neglected and we plummet to the stage where our CPUs are the only tie to reality we acknowledge.

Harris Dorn
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:47:00 - [88]
 

Can I just get a copy of the stripped down thin client? Or maybe you can pass me on a copy of the one the botters use? My PC is fine for a few more years but when CCP ups the ante again or bloats the client I'm going to need something trimmed down.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:48:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: SkinSin
From CCPs own pages, the minimum requirements are:
Originally by: http://support.eveonline.com/pages/kb/article.aspx?id=124
CPU: Intel Pentium® or AMD @ 1,5 Ghz
If their testers/developers are not running at least some tests on this environment, then they should be fired, or given a good kick and told to improve!
Note how it doesn't say which Pentium and AMD processors are being supported… Razz

Are you suggesting that they should overclock an Am2901 by a couple of thousand percent just to make sure?

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2011.01.17 13:50:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
There are two things about this no one cares to mention.

First there is the fact that some players use older machines to run their 2nd/3rd/4th account, and CCP has absolutely no idea how many that is.

I mention this because not knowing could ultimately cost them subscriptions they were not aware were in danger. Personally I suspect 4+ year old machines are quite uncommon as they would have been forced out when the graphics engine was revamped.


CCP monitors the hardware the players use, although I'm not sure how exactly, so such machines should be included in that estimated 0.3 % of machines that can't run EVE tomorrow. I'm currently forced to using one of those ancient PoSs that won't work after the summer expansion, but even that PC isn't old enough to suffer from this change, so I'm inclined to believe those numbers.

Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, the way this was discovered and subsequently communicated to the customers is worrying. No one at CCP noticed how their module dependencies introduced incompatibilities. This time it was "just 0,3 percent of customer hardware" but next time it could be more than that.

Simple updates can impact performance. Worryingly, they almost make it through testing without getting noticed and documented. In this case, the error seems to have been identified by a volunteer.

Maybe someone needs to start reading up on documentation for those "modules" the EVE codebase makes use of. If not, CCP runs the risk of suddenly "not supporting this and that due to a change in something we had no idea about."


Reading the devblog I got the same damagecontrol-feeling as I got when I ran in to a friend. He had vomit down his chin and shirt. I asked him if he was "okay because you have vomit on your face?" to which he replied, "that is not vomit and I am fine. Not intoxicated or sick at all."


It was communicated to us as soon as it was confirmed. They acted exactly like they should after it became a confirmed issue. We can wish it would have been detected earlier, but it wasn't and you have to deal with what actually happened, so there is little point entertaining that idea.

The not noticing part is also understandable, since you can't keep testing your changes against all ancient PCs and their hardware. As they said, they didn't have any machines that old, so they couldn't even test their theory about it on their own. The users have simply abandoned such hardware long ago, so it's easy to see how it could have slipped past CCP's notice too.


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