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Crazy Renegade
Posted - 2011.01.17 16:46:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Crazy Renegade on 17/01/2011 16:51:34
I got an idea to resolve this kind of idiotic thinking. Lets shut off all the games, tv's radios, and other form of entertainment for about 5 years and see what happens. Will there still be scumbags out there doing despicable acts to others? What was the problem with people like Jack the ripper? Jeffery Dahmer or the uni-bomber just to name a few? Did they get their ideas from the media? Video games and tv and quite possibly radio didn't exist back when jack the ripper was killing people on two different continents. The uni bomber despised technology so much he didn't have any of it. As for Jeffery Dhamer who's to say what his malfunction was. People are who they are. If there is any blame to be placed, it should be placed on the scumbag that commit ed these despicable acts of violence and no one else.

With regards to this latest pile of dung. I unfortunately see him getting off on some BS insanity plea now that the case is going to be tried in the criminal paradise of libby land (i.e. CA a state where they blame society for crime vice the criminal as such they penalize the law abiding by immediately creating more ignorant laws.) because the federal judges in AZ don't want to try the case. I'd try it in a hot nano second then sentence him to death. Too bad the judges can't choose his method of execution anymore as I would have him hanging on the end of a rope where he belongs.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:08:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 18:13:30
Originally by: Riedle
Are you sure about that? I mean, would your opinion on America change if you were shown to be wrong wrt America being unique as far as killing sprees goes?


For every one in another country there's roughly 20 in the US. And things like school shootings are uniquely American.

It's not an attack against America, what i'm saying, it's just the facts. If people can't handle reality they shouldn't take it up with me.

If you take away the guns people will just use pipe bombs or machetes. The problem is with a society that creates angry, violent, people, and games or movies don't make them that way, they're just catering to what violent people who already exist want. And there's also plenty of people who enjoy violence as entertainment but that never crosses over into daily life.

Something about America causes it to have more angry people who lash out at the world around them. That is clear. If anyone can present another reason why that is i'll listen, but lets not pretend it's about access to guns, because guns are common in many other countries, and violent video games and movies are also distributed and popular in other countries, without this sort of trend.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.01.17 18:45:00 - [153]
 

Edited by: Riedle on 17/01/2011 18:45:46
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For every one in another country there's roughly 20 in the US. And things like school shootings are uniquely American.


School killings are not uniquely American. Just in 2010 China had multiple occurences of men doing mass killings in Chinese schools with knives. Many children killed.

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It's not an attack against America, what i'm saying, it's just the facts. If people can't handle reality they shouldn't take it up with me.


Yes, of course it is an attack on America. Be honest with yourself here.
And as well, you have not posted any facts - just hopelessly ill-informed opinion.

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If you take away the guns people will just use pipe bombs or machetes. The problem is with a society that creates angry, violent, people, and games or movies don't make them that way, they're just catering to what violent people who already exist want. And there's also plenty of people who enjoy violence as entertainment but that never crosses over into daily life.


Lol, yes and?

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Something about America causes it to have more angry people who lash out at the world around them. That is clear.


Umm.. No it's not. Not clear at all. What is clear is that they have a lot of media and the rest of the world watched what happens there, especially my fellow Canucks - like you.
Robert Pickton murdered almost a hundred women in BC prof. Is there something wrong with Canadians?

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If anyone can present another reason why that is i'll listen, but lets not pretend it's about access to guns, because guns are common in many other countries, and violent video games and movies are also distributed and popular in other countries, without this sort of trend.


I agree that it is largely not because of guns. What I am taking issue with is your premise that America has violence that is unique to them and your theory that Americans are especially more prone to violence that anywhere else.

You are simply another in a long line of leftist Anti-Americans.
Hardly original or compelling.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:06:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 19:17:22
You're probably the only pro-America Canadian i've ever met, Reidle, and you also tend to share the same opinions as the average American and combat what average Canadians believe. Unusual. Laughing

Here's a comprehensive list of every single school shooting which has ever occurred. Shouldn't have used the term 'uniquely', but as you can see where other countries have isoltaed incidents, the US has 6-10 times more of them. It's at epidemic proportions.

Originally by: Riedle
Robert Pickton murdered almost a hundred women in BC prof. Is there something wrong with Canadians?


He's a serial killer. Those are spread equally over the planet, showing no favoritism towards any country, or any reason to believe certain things about a country or society can encourage that.

And don't try and paint me as anti-America. That's another strange thing to see an alleged Canadian do. I'm simply pro-reality and anti-bull****.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.01.17 19:58:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Riedle on 17/01/2011 20:03:06
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You're probably the only pro-America Canadian i've ever met, Reidle, and you also tend to share the same opinions as the average American and combat what average Canadians believe. Unusual. Laughing


I am pro rationality not pro-American. Most of the anti-American attitudes in Canada and I suspect other nations are due to feelings of inadaquacies that I do not share. I do not define how I view reality based on the country in which I was born. What a silly thing to do really.

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Here's a comprehensive list of every single school shooting which has ever occurred. Shouldn't have used the term 'uniquely', but as you can see where other countries have isoltaed incidents, the US has 6-10 times more of them. It's at epidemic proportions.


Yes, but the problem you are using is in your criteria. You are only counting shootings. I am counting people being killed. Honestly, what difference does it make how they were killed if you are only interested in violence?

None of course - unless you are soley interested in irrationally disparaging Americans.

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He's a serial killer. Those are spread equally over the planet, showing no favoritism towards any country, or any reason to believe certain things about a country or society can encourage that.


But i have shown how mass killings of any sort are not a purely American phenomenon nor are they more predominate in America. You have shown nothing except a lame uninterested agenda of Anti-Americanism. lol

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And don't try and paint me as anti-America. That's another strange thing to see an alleged Canadian do. I'm simply pro-reality and anti-bull****.


Nah, you are your typical left wing Canadian nationalist that let's the CBC do your thinking for you. lol

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:31:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 20:58:39
You make me feel so dirty, sinking to your level. Not going to take part in it.

Everything you`ve said is a perfect example of how ****ed up things are in the US. You`re not interested in discussing this and coming to a rational conclusion, you just want to mock and taunt me, while twisting the issue. You are not the type to listen to reason, or change their mind in mid argument. Your fragile ego cannot handle someone else being right and you being wrong. So you live in a world of aggression and delusion.

The truth doesn`t ever come into your mind. What matters is you sounding right, and `winning`. I can barely say anything here without you jumping on me, and i avoid this forum section because of you. Not because you`re so awesome and right all the time, even though i`m sure you think that, but because you don`t listen to reason and provoke me every chance you get.

Here i am treating you with respect and dignity, and there you are ending every sentence with `lols` and treating me like a ******.

Im clearly at a disadvantage being rational and thoughtful with you.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 20:57:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula

For every one in another country there's roughly 20 in the US. And things like school shootings are uniquely American.




Our primary schools are ****ty, this is not news.

Also, interestingly enough, that list is missing the other incident at Virginia Tech (probably because it wasn't very highly publicized) where someone just walked into the Cafeteria or Dining hall and just cut someone's head off. No, I'm not lying, but I'm not clear on the details either since it was hardly publicized at all.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:01:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Professor Tarantula

For every one in another country there's roughly 20 in the US. And things like school shootings are uniquely American.




Our primary schools are ****ty, this is not news.

Also, interestingly enough, that list is missing the other incident at Virginia Tech (probably because it wasn't very highly publicized) where someone just walked into the Cafeteria or Dining hall and just cut someone's head off. No, I'm not lying, but I'm not clear on the details either since it was hardly publicized at all.


Please do keep up.

Posted a comprehensive list of all school shootings.

nihlanth
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:01:00 - [159]
 

Edited by: nihlanth on 17/01/2011 21:18:13
Edited by: nihlanth on 17/01/2011 21:16:11
Edited by: nihlanth on 17/01/2011 21:11:48
Originally by: Riedle


Yes, but the problem you are using is in your criteria. You are only counting shootings. I am counting people being killed. Honestly, what difference does it make how they were killed if you are only interested in violence?

None of course - unless you are soley interested in irrationally disparaging Americans.




So... are you saying that there is nothing wrong with your criteria?

The total number killed does not accurately portray how violent or angry the population of a given county is.

How about we judge this by the total number of incidents?

The link you pasted shows that there are 219 total incidents from all categories.

50 of these 219 are from the United States

That is abbout 23 percent.

The world population is about 6 billion, the US, is about 300 million.

The population of the united states is less than 5% of the world population, but we have 23% of those reported killings.

Now, it could just be that here in the U.S., the prevalence of our press allows us to report a higher percentage of these incidents, so we can drop it to 20%.

Also there are a multitude of other environmental/economic factors that can inhibit or provoke these incidents to occur such as the purchasing power of the said loon to be able to buy a weapon, the means of transportation to get to the target, the weather, and any other distractions. I don't feel like getting into that right now.

The major point I'm trying to make is:

Now, would you expect that a country who thinks it is so moral, wealthy, and just: who is the defacto police force of the entire world, would have such high numbers of these angry loons running amok?

Just imagine the types of people that are enlisted in our military and police!

Because we all know that our police/military's mental health screening tests are oh so foolproof! Rolling Eyes

And honestly, you would expect more of these to happen in a place like China or India with such a dense population. Places like Israel and African nations are unique since there is so much ethnic tension you would sort of expect it.

But no!! Supposedly we are supposed to be the model civilized ones!


Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:06:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 17/01/2011 21:23:32
Originally by: Crazy Renegade
Edited by: Crazy Renegade on 17/01/2011 16:51:34
I got an idea to resolve this kind of idiotic thinking. Lets shut off all the games, tv's radios, and other form of entertainment for about 5 years and see what happens. Will there still be scumbags out there doing despicable acts to others? What was the problem with people like Jack the ripper? Jeffery Dahmer or the uni-bomber just to name a few? Did they get their ideas from the media? Video games and tv and quite possibly radio didn't exist back when jack the ripper was killing people on two different continents. The uni bomber despised technology so much he didn't have any of it. As for Jeffery Dhamer who's to say what his malfunction was. People are who they are. If there is any blame to be placed, it should be placed on the scumbag that commit ed these despicable acts of violence and no one else.



Perfect example of a fundamental attribution error. Everyone is different, and no one is simply the sum of themselves, and you can't "blame the scumbag that committed these despicable acts of violence" solely 100% of the time. There are situational influences that can affect whether or not someone does stuff like this.

Also, there are some people who are pushed towards violence by violent media, just like there are people who are born with genetic tendencies towards violence.

Cookies for you for making me look through my psychology notes just to find the name for that error, though :P

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:08:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Selinate
Originally by: Professor Tarantula

For every one in another country there's roughly 20 in the US. And things like school shootings are uniquely American.




Our primary schools are ****ty, this is not news.

Also, interestingly enough, that list is missing the other incident at Virginia Tech (probably because it wasn't very highly publicized) where someone just walked into the Cafeteria or Dining hall and just cut someone's head off. No, I'm not lying, but I'm not clear on the details either since it was hardly publicized at all.


Please do keep up.

Posted a comprehensive list of all school shootings.


Like it really matters whether someone uses a gun or a knife.

And look who's being rude now.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:15:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 21:17:49
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 21:16:28
Originally by: Selinate
Like it really matters whether someone uses a gun or a knife.

And look who's being rude now.


The list was missing virginia tech, like you said, i directed you to a more recent list you missed since. I`m a bad guy now.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:16:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 17/01/2011 21:19:56
Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Originally by: Selinate
Like it really matters whether someone uses a gun or a knife.

And look who's being rude now.


The list was missing virginia tech, like you said, i directed you to a more recent list you missed since.


No, that more comprehensive list is missing the incident I am talking about also.

Makes me wonder how truly complete it is...

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:20:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 21:21:58
As a Canadian, i`m sorry the Virginia Tech massacre happened, because there are no Americans with *********.

I have ********* and male horomones to spare. I`m terribly sorry all American males are cowards

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:21:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
As a Canadian, i`m sorry the Virginia Tech massacre happened, because there are no Americans with *********



-.-

No one was talking about the Virginia Tech massacre. But thank you for reopening old wounds with such petty insults for the college community of the U.S.

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.01.17 21:27:00 - [166]
 


I thought it was funny how Tarantula stated that school shootings were 'Uniquely American' just a couple posts AFTER I wiki-linked two Finnish SCHOOL shootings that occurred in the last few years. Reading obviously isn't one of his strong suits.

He just spouts off whatever, without bothering to consider facts other people have laid out for him. Rolling Eyes

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.01.17 22:56:00 - [167]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 22:56:34
Ahem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CokYud_kbek&feature=related


Benny Hill
Caldari
General Thrusters
Posted - 2011.01.18 05:21:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula

Something about America causes it to have more angry people who lash out at the world around them. That is clear.


Maybe it has a population of 300 million? That's more than 1/3rd the population of Europe (including Russia).

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.01.18 12:58:00 - [169]
 

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You make me feel so dirty, sinking to your level. Not going to take part in it.

Everything you`ve said is a perfect example of how ****ed up things are in the US. You`re not interested in discussing this and coming to a rational conclusion, you just want to mock and taunt me, while twisting the issue. You are not the type to listen to reason, or change their mind in mid argument. Your fragile ego cannot handle someone else being right and you being wrong. So you live in a world of aggression and delusion.


LOL

Wow, How did I attack you? I merely stated what your motivations were in attempting to disparage Americans. You clearly stated that there was something wrong with Americans.
That's a pretty direct attack on a large group of people don't you think?

I merely showed you that your inference about America being anymore violent or aggressive than any other country is incorrect. You failed to counter my facts and now seemingly want to decend into a pity party.

Not much of a debate really. lol

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The truth doesn`t ever come into your mind. What matters is you sounding right, and `winning`. I can barely say anything here without you jumping on me, and i avoid this forum section because of you. Not because you`re so awesome and right all the time, even though i`m sure you think that, but because you don`t listen to reason and provoke me every chance you get.


I linked my evidence which you refuse to address. I suspect that is because you are unable to counter it. If you are unable to counter it then you are unable to prove my assertion wrong and hence, your assertion right.

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Here i am treating you with respect and dignity, and there you are ending every sentence with `lols` and treating me like a ******.


I addressed what you posted. If you don't want to be shown a ******, don't post ******ed things.

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Im clearly at a disadvantage being rational


fyp

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.01.18 13:02:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Professor Tarantula
Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/01/2011 21:21:58
As a Canadian, i`m sorry the Virginia Tech massacre happened, because there are no Americans with *********.

I have ********* and male horomones to spare. I`m terribly sorry all American males are cowards


See? I was right!

I said your motivations were based on purely infantile left wing Canadian nationalism.

Thank you for proving me right.

lols

Herr Wilkus
Posted - 2011.01.18 17:13:00 - [171]
 

Hey Riedle, remind me to buy you a beer sometime if I'm ever in Canada. You do good work here. Molson or Heineken, eh?

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.01.18 17:20:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Hey Riedle, remind me to buy you a beer sometime if I'm ever in Canada. You do good work here. Molson or Heineken, eh?


Moosehead or Keith's my good man

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.01.19 11:09:00 - [173]
 

This is why we cant have nice things Sad this thread was ok and a decent discussion about a controversial topic but people just had to start with the personal insults.

No wonder the mods lock any topic about politics or religion.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.01.19 14:56:00 - [174]
 

I'm sure the arizona shooter also wiped his ass with toilet paper. Clearly, toilet paper manufacturers should be held accountable for their actions. Never mind any of that stuff about this idiot being an anti-government lunatic, or the hostile tone of the "anti-big government" parties that is acceptable, encouraged and thought of as morally correct in today's society. It's toilet paper, or computer games, or gun shops that should be blamed. By god, we'll hold someone else accountable though! People need to remember they aren't responsible for their actions, everyone else is.

Zedic
Amarr
Universalis Imperium
Tactical Narcotics Team
Posted - 2011.01.19 15:29:00 - [175]
 

As for the yippy Canadian with small *****; It's ok, it's going to be alright. You're among friends here, and you're safe. Please show us on the map of North America where you were violated.

This **** does not happen because of who are are. It happens because some people who are born that way, or end up that way because of events in their lives descend into schizophrenia, psychopathy, whatever. They're failed organisms that had little chance if any to avoid becoming a serial killer, or gun toting lunatic who's doing what such failed people do: kill other people. There will be shootings, more death, more killing. It won't stop once America stops existing. As long as there are humans, some of them will end up this way. We should find a way to determine if a fetus has these traits, and if so they chop it up and use it for stem cell therapy.

There is nothing about being born on American soil that causes people to become like this. And if there was, why would it magically not effect people on either of our boarders? Our yippy Canadian friend, who's evidently hung like a church mouse, keeps on barking about the evils of his bigger, more successful, not to mention more endowed brother. Yet no broad accusations are offered up as proof why mass murdering is and has been the norm in Mexico, especially along the border towns. The drug cartels pretty much control the whole damned country, and are slaughtering people by the truck loads. There is little if any pontificating about the inherent violence of people who live in South America.

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.01.19 22:45:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Herr Wilkus
Wall Street Journal Article

This makes me wonder how many Eve players out there are ticking time bombs - just waiting to go off.

What steps should CCP take to tone down the hateful eliminationist imagery that can trigger troubled individuals to commit terrible acts of violence like this one?

Should gaming companies such as CCP be held partially responsible for the acts of marginal members of society - or will they hide behind concepts such as 'free speech' or EULA?

My condolences to those injured and killed in this terrible attack, and I hope CCP does whatever it can to prevent further bloodshed.

Go DIAF.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2011.01.20 04:15:00 - [177]
 

I look forward to there being restrictions on MMOs for this.

Along with restrictions on car ownership and drivers the next time there is a massive accident.

Of course there are a lot of cars designed to go too fast, and there is no business having them.

One popular case here in the USA was one where a woman with known mental issues killed her children. Therefore all women who have ever had issues or taken an anti-depressant should be promptly visited by the police and their children taken by child services.

Next time a kid drowns in a tub or swimming pool, all tubs and swimming pools should be abolished and removed.


Next time someone gets taunted on Facebook or whatever and commits suicide, everybody involved should go straight to prison and frankly everybody should be forced to pass a psych exam before having the right to go to a social website.

Next time a certain breed of dog gets out of the yard and mauls a kid, all dogs of that breed should be rounded up and put to sleep immediately.

Finally the next time someone gets influenced by a movie in the wrong way, we should all have to get permission from shrinks to see movies, to be interviewed twice a year and maintain the privilege only on the word of a doctor ( no judge, jury, or trial).


In conclusion, everything you like or care about you should have to spend every day wondering if it's going to have new restrictions if not outright banned because "somebody somewhere did something bad".


Then and only then will the rest of you know what it's like to be a gun owner.


I am still wondering how such a loser like got the money for a third gen Glock.



Lompocus Nuwen
Posted - 2011.01.20 06:13:00 - [178]
 

Why is it that the lot of you are bloody morons/very silly people? It's obvious that education and nationalism are at the heart of worse atrocities. See: Every mass murderer from the 1800s to now! Heck, see: European expansion across the Americas. Hey, there's also: WW2, Stalin, ******, Fascism, etc.

//insert an argument simple enough for the majority of forum-users to understand.

Therefore, nationalism tends to be related to a low level of education. The level of someone's education can probably be shown, somehow (or somewhere) to correlate with their tendency to violent tendencies. Both nationalistic and violent tendencies kill people, the former more than the latter. (It's a surprising thing nationalism is TAUGHT!... but i digress from a topic i never mentioned.)

Simply put: Media doesn't kill people. The structure of current society kills people. (and i'll slap you if you say "oh, people kill people, give me my games and guns and leave me alone, blablabla, whinewhinewhine, you darn silly person shush!)

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.01.20 14:09:00 - [179]
 

Edited by: So Sensational on 20/01/2011 14:09:25
Originally by: Lompocus Nuwen

Therefore, nationalism tends to be related to a low level of education. The level of someone's education can probably be shown, somehow (or somewhere) to correlate with their tendency to violent tendencies.


While I can certainly agree with the former, the later I don't agree with, I love violence in certain forms, I love conflict, and I believe I am quite educated/intelligent. It's too much of a blanket statement, violence is everything from an ordinary street fight to genocide. Note that I do believe that the universe would be a better place if there were no violent beings. But that's not the case, so we might as well enjoy it as it is.

To be fair I don't believe that nationalism is all bad, certainly not in the case of say, the western world vs the east. Our way of living is to me, superior, and I much prefer living under the cultural hegemony of USA, rather than China. With that said, nationalism is fairly pointless in today's world, with today's military alliances.

Flybiere
Gallente
Intergalactic Shrimp Emporium
Posted - 2011.01.20 15:36:00 - [180]
 

Same old bull****.

Guns are for Armies ,police forces and shooting clubs.

Any other situation and you are asking for trouble.

I am finding it hard to justify your "average Joe" owning a weapon.

Especially since your "average Joe" is thick as pig-****.


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