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Posted - 2011.03.19 15:41:00 - [31]

Originally by: Bagehi
Currently, people have to have a second account, then pay to transfer the character over to the account they want the character on once they are done training. The only reason CCP would do this is if they had a financial incentive to do it. That being that the increase in people training multiple characters would offset the decreased income from changing from the current system. I don't think it would.

there is others possibilies to make this inetreting for both ccp and us.

currently i would like to train 2 char on same account, and no one on other.
but i can't.
i would need to transfer one char... but i don't have free slots, and it cost 2 months of sub as plex x2 (as you'll need it back after), so not interesting
or create another account, but same you need to transfer things, and as stated you need to have it active when you don't need training, or like before pay for transfer often.

more complex change you could even think about a way to be able to log 2 char of any account at the same time if you have 2 accounts
(but here not sure ccp would like this money wise, as it would reduct a lot curent transfers :p)

something more easy to use for customer would be so good...
but well we must admit it could be pretty compicated to code or make fair.
but what is proposed here is a 1st foot on this direction.

Alias 6322A
Posted - 2011.03.19 21:54:00 - [32]

Try to remember that while a second account provides more benefits (both online for example) than two characters on one account, a second account has an initial startup fee to 'buy' the game.

I'm all for allowing an option to 'double' or even 'triple' charge a single account to train the alternates on it. You can only have one online at a time so flight-wise (combat, transit, mining...) it makes no impact.

CCP might not want though since they enjoy the extra cash from accounts as well as the other fact...

If you can train three simultaneously on ONE account, you'll quit the game earlier. Why? Because the fact you have to buy another account keeps many players from training alternates simulataneously. The end result is that people will spend more time in EvE because they'll pause their 1st character to train a second or third. So, from a business perspective, you can unerstand why CCP has the system as it is.

+1, would be nice feature that benefits players, but it could impact EvE membership as well as our infamous [email protected]$$ game.

Buu Cake
Posted - 2011.03.19 22:29:00 - [33]

Dynasty Banking
General Tso's Alliance
Posted - 2011.03.19 23:27:00 - [34]

I will have to disagree with this. I like the idea in concept but I feel this is step in the wrong direction with micro-transactions. There shouldn't be a way for some to benefit more by paying more money/account. My biggest concern is this will slippery slope into micro-transactions.

Spyke BlackIce
Posted - 2011.03.21 06:55:00 - [35]

Amazing! About two years ago, just after I started playing EVE, I submitted a similar proposal and was quickly shot down and flamed by just about every response. It wasn't pretty. My oh my, how attitudes have changed towards this topic.

I definitely agree that there should be some way to train more than one character on an account at the same time. The OP's suggestion is just as good as any I've read and has the advantage of both giving the players a wanted feature and putting more money in the CCP coffers. As far as this being a micro-transaction - HOGWASH. It's simply additional subscription fees. And since you still can only play with one character at a time, those who have two or more accounts so that they can play two or more characters simultaneously, would still keep those other accounts. I happen to have three accounts and I guarantee that I would be using this on all three accounts, at least to train a second character on each. The third would be as necessity dictated.

I would prefer though, that the price was a bit lower than a full sub price, and with the option of using PLEX as payment as well as the standard sub payment method...
  • Option #1 - Standard Payment Method (NOTE - Using this option you cannot use 3, 6, or 12 month plans except with only one character training and/or using PLEX for the others.):

    1. 1 Month/1 Character Training = $14.95

    2. 1 Month/2 Characters Training = $24.95

    3. 1 Month/3 Characters Training = $31.95

  • Option #2 - PLEX Payment Method (NOTE - Since PLEX costs more - #34.99/2 - than standard monthly subs, the benefit is seen in the training times):

    1. 1 PLEX applied to an account = Add 1 month sub time to account OR 1 month training on both 2nd & 3rd character OR 6 weeks training on 2nd character.

    2. 2 PLEX applied to an account = Add 2 months sub time to account OR Add 1 month sub time to account AND 1 month training on 2nd & 3rd character OR 2 months training on 2nd & 3rd character OR 3 months training on 2nd character.

In addition, training times would not be at the full 100% for all characters training...
  • 1st Character always trains at 100%.

  • 2nd character trains at 75%.

  • 3rd character trains at 50%.

In the skill queue, you would designate the status of the character as 1st, 2nd, or 3rd. This could be changed and switched at any time so that no character is locked into a slower training rate.

So anyway... Supported with some adjustments.

Posted - 2011.03.21 08:39:00 - [36]

Edited by: Aamrr on 21/03/2011 08:39:00
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Supported if we can pay with PLEX.


Quoted for emphasis. I forgot this bit in my original support post.

Lucy PewPew
Posted - 2011.03.21 14:25:00 - [37]

Not supported.

This is the thin edge of the wedge. Once you go down this route then there will be calls to make it cheaper, there already are some in the replies.

Posted from an alt account.

Spyke BlackIce
Posted - 2011.03.21 15:41:00 - [38]

Originally by: Lucy PewPew
Not supported.

This is the thin edge of the wedge. Once you go down this route then there will be calls to make it cheaper, there already are some in the replies.

Posted from an alt account.

Thin edge of a wedge? What is wrong with suggesting it be a bit cheaper than a full month's sub rate or be able to be payed for with PLEX? Besides, it's only a suggested proposal at this point. I actually think that even if it went through as the OP proposed, it's still a good idea and would be used by a LOT of players. The main point of the proposal is to be able to pay for concurrent training on one account and ultimately, if the idea did ever get accepted by CCP, they would set the cost to whatever they decided is most beneficial to them and as fair as possible to the players regardless of what is suggested here.

Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.03.25 06:15:00 - [39]

Edited by: Rakamy on 25/03/2011 06:15:27
I support this but it's not likely to happen....ccp is making to much money having people pay for multi accounts. Most anyone who has been playing eve for a while can pay for one account with plexes.

The whole idea don't really make much logical sense to me because you still need two (or more) accounts to use more then one character in game, you cant use two characters on the one account at the one time. All this will do is hurt character for isk sales

How ever if ccp changed the client so that only 2X toons were aloud on the one account (instead of 3) and then allow them to train at the same time may not be AS bad. I like the idea but it just don't make any sense to me.

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Posted - 2011.03.28 05:54:00 - [40]

Edited by: TSX01 on 28/03/2011 05:54:35
Love the idea, supported

Mnengli Noiliffe
Posted - 2011.03.28 06:36:00 - [41]

Edited by: Mnengli Noiliffe on 28/03/2011 06:37:18
partially supported, for this much money they should also allow logging in of that much characters at the same time. I would not pay extra $15 for only training, I'd rather have another account which I can also login.

Kile Kitmoore
Posted - 2011.03.28 17:52:00 - [42]

Throw a couple of PLEX's on a character so I can refine it's skills without pausing my main? Awesome!

Minerva Seraph
Posted - 2011.03.29 05:41:00 - [43]

Why would this ever be implemented?

If you can only run one account on your POS rig (sup) at a time, having a second set of credentials doesn't really hamper you. And CCP woulden't be in their right mind to provide a feature to train all three characters on one account for merely double the subscription cost.

In fact, the only iteration of this function that might be considered to simply increase the the number of characters on an account by 3 and number trainable by one, but this limits the flexability of alts and altogether seems pointless.

Now if Eve supported running multiple accounts from one instance of the client that the player could easily switch between, then the resulting client would run more efficiently and the client might even queue data better. Multi-threading each client instance would be pretty awesome, too. The question that the developers would then face is: is it worth the extra labour when players can simply run two instances of the client?

But I think CCP would be dumb to encourage players to pay less. They also set a precedent when they phased out 30 and 90 day time codes, and effectively increased the price of 60 day codes by 33%. They will not listen to the CSM on issues of billing, and it's naive to assume that they will.

Sorry. :(

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.03.29 08:19:00 - [44]

There is no startup cost associated with a second account, and only two months worth of PLEX required to transfer a character. For one month training of an alt on the same account, simply stop training the main.

The choices are quite simple. The game should not be changed for sake of convenience. If the rules are changed for sake of convenience, we'd have jump-capable ships that need no fuel or cyno beacon in order to jump into remote star systems.

Inconveniences require you to make strategic decisions and think about your goals in the game.

Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
Posted - 2011.04.02 22:27:00 - [45]

Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 02/04/2011 22:30:20
Wow, I never expected to get this many replies! Thanks everyone for the comments, feedback, and support!!

I'd like to iterate a few points:

1.) A lot of you are suggesting that there should be a discount for having the other characters running on the same account. True, you get the advantage of being able to run two characters at once if you use a separate account; however if you put the character on the same account, you can stop training it (stop paying extra) and still use it. Therefore I think it is nice to have this strategic decision available to the players, and I think it would encourage slightly higher profits for CCP. And that is why I think there should be no discount for training additional characters on one account. Also, it just keeps things simple, and simple things are much easier to implement.

2.) Some of you mentioned this being like microtransactions. I submit to you that you can already pay to have two characters, and you can even run them at the same time, simply by having them on separate accounts. This gives all of the benefits and more than you would get from training an alt on the same account. The key difference with training the alt on the main account is being able to play the character after you cease training it, and keeping things simple for folks who don't want to keep track of more than one account.

And in response to Mara Rinn: Sometimes an inconvenience requires you to take a different path to accomplish what you want, sometimes it prevents you from taking that path entirely. It is the goal of the company that makes the game not only to make the game difficult in many aspects, but also to make it capable in many aspects. I think the differences between training an alt on the main account and on a new account allow for plenty of strategizing without forcing the player to cease training on the main character. However, that's still an option. So it gives players more choices to ponder.

P.S. I disagree 100% with the notion that CCP ought to allow two characters on the same account to be run at the same time. There are lots of potential problems with this, not to mention that it only costs $5 (activation fee) to start a separate account instead. I don't believe I've ever heard of a pay-to-play MMO in which you are allowed to have more than one character on the same account in-game at the same time. And there's plenty of good reason for that.

Geddhoff Mai-Lonn
Posted - 2011.05.16 14:52:00 - [46]

I am basically in support of this. I had just finished creating a similar proposal when I encountered this, see below.


The fair way of doing this would be to charge a PLEX or account fee for one month for each active training que. You are paying this already for the first que, the difference is that the ability to pay for a second que is fair to CCP, allows you to train an alt simultaneously, but you can only log into one alt at a time.

It is effectively fair, and limits the total server load at the same time. Heck, pay triple normal and train all three alts.

Point: for CCP, this is a clear WIN over a second account, since it gives two advantages.
1 Only one character is online on the account, server load is not increased.
2 Players avoid spending on a second account due to hassle, costing CCP potential revenue. If they are able to pay for a second training que on demand, that will be a convenient way to increase CCP income, and allow characters to explore secondary aspects of the game more readily.

Just my thoughts.

Aiden Cale
Posted - 2011.05.16 15:22:00 - [47]

Evelynn Marr
Posted - 2011.05.18 01:06:00 - [48]

This alt supports the idea of paying for some extra training time.

Posted - 2011.05.19 21:56:00 - [49]

This idea is a win / win for everyone.

More revenue for CCP and the possibility of adding another sink for PLEX. This would in turn drive demand and PLEX price up adding incentive to "buy" isk the legal way and reduce RMT appeal.

Also, people wouldn't need 3+ accounts for temporary goals to then transfer the characters off.

Half Cocked Jack

Posted - 2011.05.19 22:40:00 - [50]

Would be awesome!

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