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Xzar Fyrarr
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.01.02 01:53:00 - [61]
 

Honestly. If Salvage made salvage theifs flashy red, it would make no difference.


But, hypothetically, if it did make us flashy red, assuming you shoot the person, you'd either
A) Dock up for 15 minutes.
B) Dock and whine in local for 15 minutes.
C) Get Killed by the person you shot.
D) Get killed and then whine on the forums about how it should be nerfed.

Or.
E) All of the above.


Does making someone Red Flashy make you feel better?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.01.02 02:26:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Very very successful troll thread

*golf clap*


Pretty much this. Its obviously been long enough for this one to work again.

Also snipe..


Funny part is this thread will probably go on for another 3 pages Razz

Allegar
Posted - 2011.01.02 02:31:00 - [63]
 

this game does promote pirating and scams and being sneeky. and if that really was changed the way you want it people would then just steal your kills. just go somewhere with alot of rats in a salvage ship and do the same thing as everyone else

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.01.02 04:18:00 - [64]
 

is not.

Amanda Mor
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.02 05:24:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Lana Torrin
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Very very successful troll thread

*golf clap*


Pretty much this. Its obviously been long enough for this one to work again.

Also snipe..


Not really.

It's my opinion that a good troll requires minimal effort from the troller after the original post - he should write an eloquently worded post, and let the over-reactors fume and spit in impotent rage for 4 or 5 pages. In this case, the OP posted multiple times, and often 3 or 4 times in a row. He really had to grind this one out to get it to three pages (so far).

I used to like reading the stupid analogies that these people would come up with to explain why ninja-salvaging is the worst thing to ever happen in the history of the universe, but after a while it starts to get a little old.

However, I will commit to joining in this thread with various witty comments if someone can come up with something new. I'll even take the side of the mission runners if the ninja salvagers can come up with any new responses. I know it's hard to come up with original responses to the same old whines, but please try! Very Happy

The Crushah
Gallente
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.01.02 06:39:00 - [66]
 

HOW DARE THIS GAME NOT EXACTLY PARALLEL THE MORALS AND STANDARDS OF REAL LIFE! GAMES ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR MORALITY IN REAL LIFE WHICH IS WHY I KILLED 10,000 DUDES IN TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!!!

AND HOW DARE THIS MMO DEVIATE FROM THE GOOD SHIP LOLLYPOP BULLSHIAT IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT. IF I WANTED TO FIGHT SOMEONE, I WOULD SLAP THEIR FACE WITH A DELICATE LEATHER GLOVE AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD COMMENCE TO FISTICUFFS WHERE THE OUTCOME HAS NO CONSEQUENCE.

AND WHAT IS WITH THIS WHOLE CORPORATION AND ALLIANCE CRAP? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GUILDS? IS EVE TO GOOD FOR GUILDS?!?!?!


Shadow Lightbringer
Nightghosts Inc
Posted - 2011.01.02 09:20:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: The Crushah
HOW DARE THIS GAME NOT EXACTLY PARALLEL THE MORALS AND STANDARDS OF REAL LIFE! GAMES ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR MORALITY IN REAL LIFE WHICH IS WHY I KILLED 10,000 DUDES IN TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!!!

AND HOW DARE THIS MMO DEVIATE FROM THE GOOD SHIP LOLLYPOP BULLSHIAT IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT. IF I WANTED TO FIGHT SOMEONE, I WOULD SLAP THEIR FACE WITH A DELICATE LEATHER GLOVE AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD COMMENCE TO FISTICUFFS WHERE THE OUTCOME HAS NO CONSEQUENCE.

AND WHAT IS WITH THIS WHOLE CORPORATION AND ALLIANCE CRAP? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GUILDS? IS EVE TO GOOD FOR GUILDS?!?!?!


^^ THIS! Laughing

Neffer Abandon
Posted - 2011.01.02 10:55:00 - [68]
 


1. the junk you produce if you blow up ships is not necessaryly your. If you kill a criminal in RL the dead body and other stuff is also not necessary yours, it depends from the laws applied. ( good examle Very Happy )
2. carebear tears of high sec mission runners, because of salvage are fun. They dont have any other problem. And if they have a huge problem with this they are real carebears and dont know so well what they are doing.
3. ninja salvaging is quite low income and only interesting for newbies with no access to lev 4 missions. So let them train the probing skills and have some fun.

Cartheron Crust
Matari Exodus
Posted - 2011.01.02 11:08:00 - [69]
 

When I first started playing I used to ninja loot and salvage level4's in Heimatar. I'd reprocess the crap loot, make it into ammo from researched bp's and sell it back to the mission runners in the same system. Was pretty good isk for not much sp's. Razz

Ravanarook
Posted - 2011.01.02 11:37:00 - [70]
 

When I was a wee nubbin and did lvl 4's and had ninjas in my mission, I always said, 'Here you go, have some salvage'. Salvage really is such a small amount of a succesful missioneer's income. It's much nicer to make friends and have someone to talk to during the drudgery and boredom of missioneering.

Zynnis AtManath
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.02 14:21:00 - [71]
 

I solo level four missions and salvage them solo as well. It all comes down to who's the fastest. If you're not fast enough to salvage it, get better. Ninja Looters are out there, they're gonna do it, the trick is to beat them at their own game...

Princess Bride
Caldari
Corripe Cervisiam Trade Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.02 16:37:00 - [72]
 

Holy redundant thread Batman:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1439673

Quote:
i don't care if somone talked about this before


So you start a new thread with the same stupid subject? The above thread is still on the first page of C&P topics, only a few lines down from this one. Is the idea to spam a whiny thread on this subject every few days until the WOW refugees get their whiny way under the pretext of "listening to the players?"

GTFO troll.



masternerdguy
Gallente
Meerkat Maner
Posted - 2011.01.02 16:45:00 - [73]
 

I agree.
Meerkat Maner endorses this change.

Skanthra
Minmatar
Bath and Body Works
S I L E N T.
Posted - 2011.01.02 20:53:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: The Crushah
HOW DARE THIS GAME NOT EXACTLY PARALLEL THE MORALS AND STANDARDS OF REAL LIFE! GAMES ARE AN EXTENSION OF YOUR MORALITY IN REAL LIFE WHICH IS WHY I KILLED 10,000 DUDES IN TEAM FORTRESS 2!!!!!

AND HOW DARE THIS MMO DEVIATE FROM THE GOOD SHIP LOLLYPOP BULLSHIAT IN WORLD OF WARCRAFT. IF I WANTED TO FIGHT SOMEONE, I WOULD SLAP THEIR FACE WITH A DELICATE LEATHER GLOVE AT WHICH POINT WE WOULD COMMENCE TO FISTICUFFS WHERE THE OUTCOME HAS NO CONSEQUENCE.

AND WHAT IS WITH THIS WHOLE CORPORATION AND ALLIANCE CRAP? WHERE THE HELL ARE THE GUILDS? IS EVE TO GOOD FOR GUILDS?!?!?!




THIS GUY IS PURE GENUIS!!1!

BuzzySonOfButch
Posted - 2011.01.03 11:43:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Necrron
i don't care if somone talked about this before, it should be that way, somone steals what's yours, they should be ready to pay for it, that's it.

it is NERDRAGE like the OP of this post that convinced me to become a fulltime Ninja Looter.
Thank you for the job opportunity.
Please take your nerdrage outon me the next time i try to bait you into shooting me by stealing every single drop.

Love -
\\Buz

Kikkoman6
Amarr
NON PROPERO
Posted - 2011.01.03 13:50:00 - [76]
 

Who does lvl 4's for money? That's almost as an inefficent use of time as mining.

The only reason you should do a mission is to raise your standing so you can have one clone with slaves, another with crystals etc.

Zaboth Garadath
Amarr
Ore Extraction Corporation
Posted - 2011.01.04 01:26:00 - [77]
 

I completely agree with the op.

Thats why every time I ninja salvage anyone, I always steal a bit of loot to make me flashy, just to make it fair.


(Shoot me plz)




Twisted Evil

Ohh Yeah
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.01.04 02:16:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Genessas
killing mobs


Butthurt WoW*** detected.

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
Posted - 2011.01.04 05:47:00 - [79]
 


Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
Posted - 2011.01.04 12:21:00 - [80]
 

You know, miners whined to get people flagged for stealing from their jetcans.

That worked out pretty well, didn't it? Almost as if can-flipping didn't become the new FOTM hi-sec griefing... almost...

CCP Adida


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.04 15:01:00 - [81]
 

Removed trolling comment and reply to the comment.

Qui Binder
Dead Pilots Society
Posted - 2011.01.04 20:29:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr
Honestly. If Salvage made salvage theifs flashy red, it would make no difference.


But, hypothetically, if it did make us flashy red, assuming you shoot the person, you'd either
A) Dock up for 15 minutes.
B) Dock and whine in local for 15 minutes.
C) Get Killed by the person you shot.
D) Get killed and then whine on the forums about how it should be nerfed.

Or.
E) All of the above.


Does making someone Red Flashy make you feel better?


^^ This

Back when I ran missions, it was annoying when someone would ninja salvage a site while I was running it. It was even worse when they ninja looted my mission site, which made them flashy and I could shoot them. I didn't however, because it would have been even more of a nuisance. I didn't like running missions, and wanted to get through them as fast as I could so I could get on to more fun aspects of the game.

Right now you get people crashing your mission to get a little isk. If they went flashy, you'd get MORE people crashing your party HOPING you'd shoot at them. It'd be the new version of can flipping. You'd get your expensive mission fit ship blown up (and subsequently looted & salvaged). lol

DarkAegix
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.04 23:04:00 - [83]
 

To all the derpers who say: "Loot belongs to you! Salvage belongs to who gets it first! Working as intended. OPZ iz failnub"
Firstly, this is a game. The rules can be changed. That may apply now, but it's possible for there to be change. That argument is completely invalid. It may be "working as intended", but what if the outcome is not expected, or the intended result is dated and doesn't really apply to EVE anymore? Torpedo-Kestrels with actual explosion areas-of-effect (Or whatever they were) may have been intended once, but not anymore.
So, I felt like dropping into this trainwreck of a thread to say that.

Anyway, I rat/explore in 0.0 and there can't be ninja salvagers disturbing you there. YARRRR!!
OP could try the same.

Cyprus Black
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.01.05 16:40:00 - [84]
 

CCP has already spoken about "salvage theft" many many times. You obviously missed this the first time so I'll repost CCPs stance on this subject again.

Per CCP Mitnal:
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
Originally by: GM Faolchu
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
Originally by: GM Ytterbium
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
Originally by: CCP Incognito
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)



If you still don't get it, if you still believe you still have rights to space junk, then you're hopeless and should quit EvE now. You clearly don't understand this game and should go back to WoW.

Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.01.05 17:10:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Necrron
i don't care if somone talked about this before, it should be that way, somone steals what's yours, they should be ready to pay for it, that's it.


Agreed 100% You should by all means be allowed to lose your multi-hundred million ISK mission boat over a few hundred k of salvage.

Go for it.

Crazy Renegade
Posted - 2011.01.05 17:52:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Crazy Renegade on 05/01/2011 18:11:39
Originally by: Necrron
i don't care if somone talked about this before, it should be that way, somone steals what's yours, they should be ready to pay for it, that's it.


Wont get any complaints from me about that one. I agree it should be flagged as a criminal offense. Or CCP needs to remove the option of "Abandoning all nearby wrecks" this way the excuse "it works as intended" cant be used. as that would then be the case. However since the player that created the wrecks has that option then it is implied that the wrecks are his / hers. As such it should be handled the same way as loot stealing. Once someone turns them from yellow to blue, then and only then should they the wrecks be up for grabs without criminal flagging. So long as they remain yellow they are claimed by the player that created them. Evil or Very Mad

Annasophia Smith
Posted - 2011.01.05 18:09:00 - [87]
 

Im a liberal democrat. Whats mine is mine and whats yours is mine. deal with it.Laughing

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2011.01.05 19:28:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Pohbis
You know, miners whined to get people flagged for stealing from their jetcans.

That worked out pretty well, didn't it? Almost as if can-flipping didn't become the new FOTM hi-sec griefing... almost...
wonder what would happen if salvaging went the way of can flagging.



wait, LET'S IMPLEMENT IT! I WANT TO HARVEST TEARS LIKE NO TOMORROW \o\

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:34:00 - [89]
 

Why isn't this sniped yet?

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2011.01.06 14:59:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Cyprus Black
Concord places no value on this wreckage.


If this is true why are unable to use a tractor beam on an empty wreck that you did not create and why do you get a GCC in high/low sec if you destroy an empty wreck that does not belong to you or your corp?


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