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Aleena Doran
Posted - 2011.01.03 13:17:00 - [61]
 


Kai Honsou
Posted - 2011.01.03 14:48:00 - [62]
 

/signed

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.01.03 15:04:00 - [63]
 

I was going to vote.. but then I saw that I had to use facebook, so I didn't bother.

1600 RT
Posted - 2011.01.03 15:16:00 - [64]
 

+1
id like to vote my fav ship but im not going to subscribe a facebook account

Anyura
Posted - 2011.01.03 17:21:00 - [65]
 

**** Facebook.

Irongut
Sex Money Guns
Posted - 2011.01.03 17:32:00 - [66]
 

/signed

Having to join a site that would violate my privacy is not acceptable for a simple competition vote when I already have accounts with CCP that could have been used to facilitate this.

Rutger Centemus
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.01.03 18:42:00 - [67]
 

Supported

RadioControlled
Joint Empire Squad
Posted - 2011.01.03 18:43:00 - [68]
 

+1

Tango Tonight
Posted - 2011.01.03 18:44:00 - [69]
 

Supporting the motion.

Testah McTest
Posted - 2011.01.03 18:44:00 - [70]
 

.

Raukho
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.03 19:51:00 - [71]
 

failbook is fail (Evegate is fail to)

Everything else was covered in the original post.

Hiauki
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.03 19:52:00 - [72]
 

Voting with both accounts because I can

Skarsnik
Caldari
DarkArch Corp

Posted - 2011.01.03 19:58:00 - [73]
 

I am a facebook member but even I have to agree to the fact that not giving more options for paying subscribers to vote on things that will appear in-game is shortsighted by CCP.

Zirator
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.03 19:59:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Zirator on 03/01/2011 19:58:57
I was slowly regaining my "trust" in CCP regarding this competition. But "forcing" paying customers to use facebook to vote on possible features for the game I pay to play is like a slap in my face.

I don't like social networking sites and I'm not going to sign up on one to vote on a seriousinternetspaceship poll.

As allready said in this topic if the account login is good enough for CSM elections it's good enough for this contest.

Arela Xen
Gallente
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.03 20:06:00 - [75]
 

don´t go on that failbook ride please

Blastfizzle
THE R0NIN
Posted - 2011.01.03 20:27:00 - [76]
 

Supported.

Mr XEM
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.03 21:08:00 - [77]
 

ccp + failbook = failccp

Jovan Geldon
Gallente
Lead Farmers
Kill It With Fire
Posted - 2011.01.03 21:22:00 - [78]
 

Nothing against Facebook per se, but the fact that non-Eve players can vote renders the whole competition pointless. Eve-Gate would have been a much more suitable vehicle for this.

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.03 22:24:00 - [79]
 

wow im amazed how short sighted people are on this competition!

the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!

facebook is being used as a viral form of advertising for eve-online. that is the only reason why! The whole contest is to get people who havent played eve to see that its got a following and 'appears' to support its community, so that they think "hmm i think i'll try that!"

this contest along with the removal of learning skills is to promote and get people into the game easier and actually have fun in the first 14 days to 2 months of play, so that they carry on. not add a bit of a smile to a small portion of the eve players that likes shaping a miniscule part of the game.


now.... you cannot accomplish this by hosting a voting system that only for subbd Eve Players. Sure you can argue about if CCP actually genuinely asked for content from its community and included it then word of mouth will bring in more subs, it already does in certain regards.

CCP is a Business first and foremost. its size has grown substantially, and because of that its running costs have increased too. this is a way to generate more new player revenue so they can continue at their current size and finish/augment all the new content they've promised.

if ur soo annoyed at failbook voting and using it on ur computer, go use sum1 elses to make a fake-ish account or use a cyber cafe ffs.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.03 22:37:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!


Why, that's a mite disapppointing. I was under the (common-sense) impression that the winners would see their ship included in the game. Otherwise, erm, what's the frakkin' point?!

GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.04 00:39:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!


Why, that's a mite disapppointing. I was under the (common-sense) impression that the winners would see their ship included in the game. Otherwise, erm, what's the frakkin' point?!


heres a quote from the contest forum thread under FAQ:
Originally by: CCP Adida

Will the winner of this contest automatically be included in the game?
No. Due to a packed production schedule of ships and other art next year we cannot guarantee the winner goes in before 2012. Seriously, the art schedule is packed. However the CCP Art team reserves the right to change their mind and find room to allow a truly gorgeous piece in.


as well as the official rules it states:

Originally by: Official "Create a Starship Contest" Rules

PRIZES: There are five (5) prizes awarded as follows:

Grand Prize (1 winner): $900 USD, Choice of EVE Online Battleship Model, EVE Online BattleMat Mousepad, EVE Online 3-pcs Decal Set, EVE Online Poster, and One Year EVE Online Subscription

Additonal Prizes (4 winners): $600 USD, EVE Online Battleship Model, EVE Online BattleMat Mousepad, EVE Online 3-pcs Decal Set, and EVE Online Poster



so as it stands there isnt anything set in stone to say its to be included.. bt the prizes are still pretty good!

Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.01.04 00:56:00 - [82]
 

Screw Facebook.

Corina Jarr
Posted - 2011.01.04 01:28:00 - [83]
 

I have no problem with Facebook being used as a voting venue. But, it should not be the only way to vote. That is my issue with the thing.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.04 05:22:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Slick O'Hara
I'm suprised and disappoint that CCP isn't using the same mechanism as the CSM vote.

Nice Idea

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.01.04 05:24:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: GeeShizzle MacCloud
wow im amazed how short sighted people are on this competition!

the winners will most likely not end up in the game, CCP's said that its unlikely that any content from this contest would be put into the game for years! and tbh years after this competition no one but the winner will remember about the comment that their content might be included!

facebook is being used as a viral form of advertising for eve-online. that is the only reason why! The whole contest is to get people who havent played eve to see that its got a following and 'appears' to support its community, so that they think "hmm i think i'll try that!"

this contest along with the removal of learning skills is to promote and get people into the game easier and actually have fun in the first 14 days to 2 months of play, so that they carry on. not add a bit of a smile to a small portion of the eve players that likes shaping a miniscule part of the game.


now.... you cannot accomplish this by hosting a voting system that only for subbd Eve Players. Sure you can argue about if CCP actually genuinely asked for content from its community and included it then word of mouth will bring in more subs, it already does in certain regards.

CCP is a Business first and foremost. its size has grown substantially, and because of that its running costs have increased too. this is a way to generate more new player revenue so they can continue at their current size and finish/augment all the new content they've promised.

if ur soo annoyed at failbook voting and using it on ur computer, go use sum1 elses to make a fake-ish account or use a cyber cafe ffs.
Does this smell to anyone else like a CCP staffer?

Your comments might carry some water if there was some way to vote other than with Facebook. Regardless of what you say and regardless of whether any of the designs make it into the game, this is an EVE thing. If CCP wanted to open it to the masses outside of EVE, no problem. However, to require that something of EVE and for EVE be exclusively run through Facebook is nothing less than an attempt to force subscribers to join Facebook and advertise for CCP’s game at the expense of the subscriber. The expense would be contributing to an unethical organization, Facebook. Also, let’s just go ahead and define the subscriber as what he or she is. Someone who is already paying CCP.

People don’t want to pay CCP for the game, then turn around and have to sign up for something they don’t want, like Facebook, in order to participate in all aspects of the game they’re already paying for.

You make a big deal about how CCP is a business and how they need to generate more income to make EVE a better game. Where have you been? They’ve been developing Dust 514 and some World of Darkness with vampires, etc. These will eventually, hopefully, give CCP more money, but even Dust 514 is only marginally associated with EVE’s content. Costs of running EVE itself have not appreciably increased and those increases that are there are more than made up for by increased subscribers. A large portion of the increased revenue is going towards things that may be good for CCP, but have little, if anything, to do with EVE.

These concepts are obvious, nothing to be amazed at and are far from short sighted. They are, in fact, the justifiable ire of people CCP should be paying attention to. Their customers.

-Windjammer

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.04 09:37:00 - [86]
 

Thanks for pointing me to the price section, GeeShizzle.

One thing about the contest I noted, btw, was how well detailed some of the ships are -- and how much I liked that. :) It adds so much more realism. With Incarna around the corner (or at least the new high-def character creator), I wouldn't mind if CCP's art department started thinking of higher-def ship models as well.

GATLER
Gallente
Cataclysm Enterprises
Ev0ke
Posted - 2011.01.04 09:47:00 - [87]
 

+10

Iella Wesirri
Caldari
Dead Rats Tell No Tales

Posted - 2011.01.04 10:46:00 - [88]
 


GeeShizzle MacCloud
Caldari
Posted - 2011.01.04 11:42:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Windjammer
Does this smell to anyone else like a CCP staffer?

Your comments might carry some water if there was some way to vote other than with Facebook. Regardless of what you say and regardless of whether any of the designs make it into the game, this is an EVE thing. If CCP wanted to open it to the masses outside of EVE, no problem. However, to require that something of EVE and for EVE be exclusively run through Facebook is nothing less than an attempt to force subscribers to join Facebook and advertise for CCP’s game at the expense of the subscriber. The expense would be contributing to an unethical organization, Facebook. Also, let’s just go ahead and define the subscriber as what he or she is. Someone who is already paying CCP.

People don’t want to pay CCP for the game, then turn around and have to sign up for something they don’t want, like Facebook, in order to participate in all aspects of the game they’re already paying for.

You make a big deal about how CCP is a business and how they need to generate more income to make EVE a better game. Where have you been? They’ve been developing Dust 514 and some World of Darkness with vampires, etc. These will eventually, hopefully, give CCP more money, but even Dust 514 is only marginally associated with EVE’s content. Costs of running EVE itself have not appreciably increased and those increases that are there are more than made up for by increased subscribers. A large portion of the increased revenue is going towards things that may be good for CCP, but have little, if anything, to do with EVE.

These concepts are obvious, nothing to be amazed at and are far from short sighted. They are, in fact, the justifiable ire of people CCP should be paying attention to. Their customers.

-Windjammer



while i appreciate ur sentiment, im not actually affiliated in any professional manner or manner above being a customer of CCP in any way :)

and yes you're right about the fact that eve-onlines running costs specifically may not have raised that much, although a lot of money has been spent on infrastructure to keep blades cool and data flowing.
Quite a few respected eve players have talked about the fact eve online may be benefiting from the development of the side projects you've talked about, as modding old systems and code can only get you soo far. drawing inspiration and ideas from a fresh modern game build can help a lot, and i would not be surprised that the new redesigned systems that have appeared in eve have been first created for these new projects and then ported over to eve.

when i originally talked about running costs of eve online i didnt specifically mean the upkeep of the servers and its cost in resources, i meant all the wages and additional requirements that a much larger team of developers require. ive done business models before and when u double and triple an employee base your costs skyrocket quite surprisingly.

So yes running eve online isnt tooo taxing on icelandic Krona, but the cost of the increased size of the development staff would be backing CCP into a corner unless they find creative and new ways to reach out to new customers, and therefore new subbs and more income.

im just saying that the whole facebook "like" feature to this competition is the personification of this drive to reach out to new possible customers at little or no cost to CCP, unlike front cover spreads and feature previews in magazines, which always costs money.

Aphrodite Skripalle
Galactic Defence Consortium
Posted - 2011.01.04 13:26:00 - [90]
 

All these new social netware data collectors like facebook, twitter & Co really s u ck, they are bad.
I ignore them and nobody will push me ever to use them.
So i totally agree and i support this.

+1



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