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viperios drake
Posted - 2010.12.26 19:45:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: viperios drake on 26/12/2010 20:48:59
What would be a very strong tank fit,,passive or active,,so far with my low skills it seems like i do better with passive,,the main use will be missions,,and pve,,im not ready for pvp,,thanks for any help you can give

Pheusia
Gallente
The Initiative.
Posted - 2010.12.26 20:21:00 - [2]
 

Hang on while I consult my psychics so they can tell me what you want the fit for.

Dorian Wylde
Posted - 2010.12.26 20:45:00 - [3]
 

If you have low skills, you shouldn't be flying battleships at all, let alone faction ships.

Major Sackrash
Odium Certa
Posted - 2010.12.26 21:00:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dorian Wylde
If you have low skills, you shouldn't be flying battleships at all, let alone faction ships.


He can fly whatever he likes Rolling Eyes

Viperious - http://eve.battleclinic.com/browse_loadouts.php Wink

NoNah
Posted - 2010.12.26 21:05:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dorian Wylde
If you have low skills, you shouldn't be flying battleships at all, let alone faction ships.


Why not?

You'll want to go active for pve, every single time. That said you'll also want to fly a CNR rather than a scorpion.

[Scorpion Navy Issue, New Setup 1]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25
Photon Scattering Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
[empty high slot]

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5

As an example. You'll of course want more gank and less tank on it as time goes on.

Dr Chau
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.27 01:34:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Dorian Wylde
You'll want to go active for pve, every single time. That said you'll also want to fly a CNR rather than a scorpion.




My Drake/Gila/Rattlesnake say differently.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2010.12.27 02:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Dr Chau
My Drake/Gila/Rattlesnake say differently.


Drake: Slow/bad mission runner
Gila: Slow/bad mission runner
Rattlesnake: Slow/bad mission runner

Hey, I'm sensing a trend!

-Liang

Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.27 03:39:00 - [8]
 

The SNI can dish out as much DPS as an all gank Raven and have the tank of a fail fit Raven at the same time. I use an omni-tanked one in Minmatar space where I can pull 2 or 3 L4 missions at a time and run them without docking. I dare claim a Raven, CNR, or Torp Golem can not be fit for all out DPS and run multiple L4s without worry of what it's shooting, how far away it's target is, or incoming DPS.

On paper it's a fairly standard ship. In practice it's proven itself quite versatile for my lazy "undock and shoot" approach to L4s.

$0.02

PS: Don't passive tank it. Try this setup, it's cheap, high DPS, and cap stable.

[Scorpion Navy Issue, T2 Missions]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Target Painter II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Paradise Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I


Valkyrie II x5

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.12.27 03:49:00 - [9]
 

think i might train up Caldari BS and get it to 4 after i train up Minmatar BS to 5...

Anubis Xian
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.27 04:18:00 - [10]
 

Fit it like a Giant Awesomely Cool Looking Drake.

EdTeach
Posted - 2010.12.27 11:37:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: EdTeach on 27/12/2010 11:54:00

[Scorpion Navy Issue, SS Primary MK IV]

Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Large Shield Extender II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile
Caldari Navy Cruise Missile Launcher, Paradise Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hornet II x5
Vespa II x5



Obviously trade out the Faction for T2 if you do not have the iskies, but have skills. Use Faction or Meta4 if you have the isk and not the skills. If you have neither the isk nor the skills... wait on this purchase.

There are a lot of ways you can tweak the Navy Scorp's active and buffer parts of the tank. They all add up to a wintank covered in awesome sauce.

You can also fit it just like a passive Uber-Drake, but that is not my personal cup of tea.

You can also buffer/bait fit it to well over 220K ehp T2 and into ridiculous numbers faction dual-tanked for bait purposes.

She is the prettiest girl at the dance and has eight mids ftw.

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Edit - Sensor Booster with Scan Rez script can be traded for the 2nd invuln and speed things up a tad, and the tank loss is minimal in level4 missions.

Always switch your racial hardeners to mission-specific ones. I am omni-tanked in this fit.
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youthink
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:06:00 - [12]
 

Combination of shield buffer/active tank, Cap Rechargers, six (!) shield hardeners... What's wrong with you, people?

[Scorpion Navy Issue, SNI]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

X-Large Shield Booster II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Invulnerability Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Ballistic Deflection Field II
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Shield Boost Amplifier II
ECCM - Gravimetric II

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Large Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I


Vespa II x5
Hornet II x5


EdTeach
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:10:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: EdTeach on 27/12/2010 12:21:28
Edited by: EdTeach on 27/12/2010 12:12:10



Oops. We all sort of got off the 'low-skill' part of the request. Me included.

here you go... one Low-Skill Navy Scorp ...

[Scorpion Navy Issue, SS Primary LowBall]

Multiphasic Bolt Array I
Multiphasic Bolt Array I
Multiphasic Bolt Array I
Multiphasic Bolt Array I

V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix
'Anointed' I EM Ward Reinforcement
Ditrigonal Thermal Barrier Crystallization I
Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
5a Prototype Shield Support I
Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I, Paradise Cruise Missile

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Acolyte I x5
Vespa I x5


A suicide ganker would die laughing when he scans it, but it will get you through level4s until you skill up.

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I like the cap-boosted one above, and have used similar to good effect, but I am a lazy boy.

Again, trade 2nd invuln for TP or Sebo if you want/can.

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youthink
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:38:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: youthink on 27/12/2010 13:08:50
Originally by: EdTeach
I like the cap-boosted one above, and have used similar to good effect, but I am a lazy boy.



If I don't need the ECCM, I just offline the DLA and put a fourth resist/invul into the ECCM's place and with such high resists I barely ever cycle the Shield Booster. Not to mention the Cap Booster.

Drone Link Augmentor is not a Drone Control Unit, stupid /me

KWyz
Posted - 2010.12.27 15:41:00 - [15]
 

How safe would this ship be in regards to alpha-ganking in missions?
I know gankers in highsec ar willing to bring a surprising number of high-alpha ships in order to down a missioner, so how many hi-sec pirate battleships do you think some of these setups could survive?

This question is also extended towards the Rattlesnake...altough beyond the fact that they're not as useful for level IVs, being passive shield tanked means they have a metric ass-ton of ehp.Heh, silly question.

MinmatarCitizen 8927374455
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:15:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Yob tvay''matar on 27/12/2010 16:16:56
nvm

Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:22:00 - [17]
 

We were doing so well with SNI fits, too.

ECCM is only necessary against Guristas. Otherwise a Sensor Booster would be better.
Fury cruise missiles are ineffective. Try shooting them once in a while.
Mixed tank. No.
3x CCCs are the biggest cruise missile DPS nerf out there. Try running a L4 in a rigor Raven and it will all make sense. They add as much DPS as the BCUs do.

arbalesttom
Mercurialis Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.27 16:43:00 - [18]
 

As stated multiple times by devs, eccm does not affect being jammed by guristas ecm more or less (cba to find the dev post)!

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.27 17:16:00 - [19]
 

I have a rather expensive PvP Scorpion fit that has 250k EHP and 1000 DPS.

Get Pyfa and play around.

Miriam Letisse
Posted - 2010.12.27 21:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: EdTeach

A suicide ganker would die laughing when he scans it, but it will get you through level4s until you skill up.



I see what you did thar.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.12.27 22:46:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
As stated multiple times by devs, eccm does not affect being jammed by guristas ecm more or less (cba to find the dev post)!


as stated multiple times by players, eccm does affect being jammed by guristas ecm more or less (cba to find the player post where they analyzed it)!

as for a low skill fit, take one of the best high skill fits, and swap the mods you can't use yet for meta/faction.

things I'd want on the ship, 4 bcus, around 5 slot tank (xl booster, cap injector, and hardeners), target painter or two, an after burner. 6x cruise launchers, not 100% sure on the rigs, probably at least 2 rigors, I mean it is easy to have more than 1 tp, so not sure you need all rigor rigs. but I'm not sure as to what would be better in that slot.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2010.12.27 23:53:00 - [22]
 

would the rattlesnake be better at tanking, or would the scorp navy issue?

Birdman Ravo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.28 00:01:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Headerman
would the rattlesnake be better at tanking, or would the scorp navy issue?


If tank is all you want, the Rattlesnake is far superior.

EdTeach
Posted - 2010.12.31 18:30:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: EdTeach on 31/12/2010 18:30:07


I changed my CCCs to first one, then two Rigor rigs on my Mission Scorp.

Definite improvement on damage to smaller/faster targets, but my cap tank is rather thin now.

At "Max Q"(time of highest incoming DPS) in some rooms I am actually a little nervous before I turn the corner and kill enough incoming dps.

No warpouts, but seeing that much red in my shields and that little cap sliver is definitely less boring than just waddling through. Had to ignore deep-seated carebear tendencies and get confortable with a little edge.

Thanks for the advice.

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