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Jenny Cameron
Ordo Eventus
Inception Alliance
Posted - 2011.01.12 11:34:00 - [91]

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Originally by: Terazul
Choosing for min/max reasons is as VALID a choice as choosing for aesthetic reasons....

Aesthetics (or lack thereof) is clearly at the very bottom of the list for the people who CHOSE the min/max approach

And anyway: how can you distinguish between people who picked a bloodline for looks and those who picked them for stats? The female Achura has quite a popular look but they also had the best starter attributes in the "old days".

So just give everyone a free bloodline change?
Still waiting for any CCP/CSM imput .....

EntroPrelatial Vanguard
EntroPraetorian Aegis
Posted - 2011.01.12 18:28:00 - [92]

Seeing as CCP has not bothered to deign us with any kind of reply, we can read a lot into their silence, however we DO get a free char portrait transfer(go look! I speak no lies lol)-so create a disposable alt then transfer portrait-then you get the avatar you want! Pain in the ass tho-we should get to choose!ugh

The Mind's Eye
Etherium Cartel
Posted - 2011.01.12 22:42:00 - [93]

I would say for any release pertaining to the character creater we should be able to change ourselves again.

Neutrino Sunset
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
Posted - 2011.01.16 01:08:00 - [94]

I thought we were promised walking in station was going to be opt in (yeah right). I want to keep my existing portrait buttmunches!!

EOH Sergiiy
Posted - 2011.01.18 19:18:00 - [95]

Yes to ability to change bloodlines.

Eternal Error
Exitus Acta Probant

Posted - 2011.01.18 20:46:00 - [96]


Ashley Dinova
Very Important POD Pilots
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:47:00 - [97]

Yes please... I didn't choose to be chinese Sad
At least give us a chance to change Bloodlines once.

Snuff Box
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:48:00 - [98]

Yeah, ccp, gives us a chance to change it.

Five 0ne
Posted - 2011.01.18 20:57:00 - [99]


Sons Of 0din
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:06:00 - [100]

Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Edited by: Jenny Cameron on 26/12/2010 10:47:19

Hello all,

As we all know, the next upcoming (third) release of Incursions will bring us the new portrait creator, later to be used as 3D character in Incarna.

The problem that a lot of people are facing is that the new options often don't enable you to make a character that even remotely resembles the face you picked when you made your character. With the fourth installment of the editor, options are even more restricted than they were before and a lot of hair colours, eye colours, hairstyles have been taken away and we're often forced into looks we don't want.

Now I don't know if CCP realizes it, but for a lot of people the looks of your character are very important. If I pick a space orc I don't want to be forced into looking like an Eldar with the next installment, or if I pick a Porsche I don't want to be forced to pick a Ford because the developer makes some graphical changes. It greatly takes away from the immersion and ability to identify with your capsuleer.

So what I want to propose is a free one-time option to change bloodlines with the 3rd installment of Incursions.
I can understand changing races will have impact on your racial skills, but bloodlines won't have any impact whatsoever since the differences are purely cosmetic. Nonetheless, if we'd get an optional racial remap that would even be better, of course!!

Thanks for reading.

Edit (thanks Jagga Spikes): CCP allows for portrait swaps but they have to be of the same race, bloodline and gender. Which isn't helpful at all in this case.

from Portrait swap FAQ:
"3. Why does gender and bloodline have to match when swapping portraits?
As bloodline and gender define a lot about your character the portraits that are going to be swapped need to have same bloodline and gender. The swapping is only meant to fix elements you are not happy about with your original portrait creation, it is not meant for gender and ancestry changes."

I agree, although I would also like the option to change race.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada

Posted - 2011.01.18 21:10:00 - [101]


I've posted at legnth on general discussion but there are very real issues those of us with darker skins stand up for in real life, and we also stand up for our relatives and our children.

The original editor wasn't anything perfect, but if we tried hard enough and adjusted the lighting choices and shows, covered our eyes with glasses (or just wore a hood ! lol) a person could come closer to some third world peoples of the world than you do now. With the changes in the editor, it might take a different blood line to even attempt looking something darker and we should at least be given that chance if accomodating more third world human looks isn't possible.

Certainly a step backwards from something very meh before doesn't feel right.. a choice of a change in race is would at least be a token statment that they care about some customers feelings about the issue.

Callandra Tyrol
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:12:00 - [102]

CCP is already forcing us to change our physical identity with incursion. Bloodlines look different than what they used to look like 6 years ago. I don't see why we shouldn't be able to change our bloodline once.


Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.01.18 21:23:00 - [103]


The Scope

Posted - 2011.01.18 21:26:00 - [104]


When I first loaded up the new char editor, I was kind of excited.

Having looked at the options I had to choose from.. I'm quite underwhelmed....

Posted - 2011.01.18 21:58:00 - [105]


The Scope
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:06:00 - [106]

Originally by: SweetPickles

Don't forget to click the support option on your post... Otherwise it doens't count.

Uzii Jay
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:10:00 - [107]

It boils down to CCP having 24 combinations of characters to be made, and only giving 1 single combination (Race/Gender/Bloodline) to their loyal paying customers, whereas new recruits who may not even make it to the subscription phase are being given all 24.

An utter disgrace.

Odetta Harpy
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:24:00 - [108]

ye i wanna hav access to the full range of characters not just one, also a gender change could be possible aswell seing as many names in the game arnt gender specific.

Posted - 2011.01.18 22:30:00 - [109]

Edited by: HeIIfire11 on 18/01/2011 22:31:18

Where were you people as I started a thread about this a year ago?

Now that its out everyone wants a changeRolling Eyes


Misha Mosqito
Exanimo Inc
Posted - 2011.01.18 22:37:00 - [110]


Posted - 2011.01.18 22:48:00 - [111]

I support this too. I have four accounts and I'm generally satisfied with two of the mains from each account I have a Khanid and a Vherokior alt whom I was quite unsatisfied with regarding the potential facial mixes.

I'll freely admit to being shallow, and likewise I'll admit that in a game like this your face is likely by far one of the least important aspects of the game, but if I'm going to take the time to create a character I want that character to at least be as close to my ideal for that character as possible, and the current models for the Khanid and Vherokior are very unsuitable.

Mallory Million
Posted - 2011.01.18 23:22:00 - [112]


Posted - 2011.01.19 05:27:00 - [113]

definitely SUPPORT!

having multi-year faces shoved into some tiny box (limited by skills/time/money) without some recourse sucks the big one.

Sepheir Sepheron
1st Grave
Posted - 2011.01.19 07:27:00 - [114]

Originally by: Jenny Cameron
Well that's one vote to start with! Smile


Sonya Smith
Posted - 2011.01.19 09:14:00 - [115]

Definitely yes. Not everyone seems to understand it, but these kind of details are very important for some. When it's about a game they play and pay for voluntarily, their opinion should be taken into account and not criticized for being too picky or something. Especially as allowing this would raise no issues with balance or game mechanics. Also, it's not just the portrait - this was simply a test for the character creation system that will be used once we can walk around, and then such details will be even more important!

Kholis Volgier
Posted - 2011.01.19 09:47:00 - [116]

Hello everyone,

I have to agree with this overall. Now, I don't think folks should be just changing races or bloodline just to be able to do it, but there are some very legitimate reasons to do so currently, and to be fair, I'm not harmed in any way if someone does want to change their race or bloodline for no reason whatsoever.

When I chose my main originally, I wanted to play Gallente, but hated the way they looked. But then I found Vhorokhior (pardon me if I misspelled that). I liked the description, and was able to make a character that looked like a native american. I thought that was pretty cool. My wife looked over all the races and chose the same as she was able to create a really nice looking character portrait, that kinda looks like a sort of gypsy (Roma if you prefer). Now, we can both certainly make acceptable and even attractive characters. However, we can't make ones that are close to our old ones. Heck, my wife can't make a character that looks even remotely similar. Given that, why not be able to choose what we like best?

New players get to look over everything and choose the one that looks best to them from among all the bloodlines. The existing playerbase gets to modify the bloodline they chose long ago. Problem is, many folks chose them for appearance and now that appearance is (sometimes radically) different. Since there are no mechanical benefits of being one bloodline or another, why not give the option to change once? I know it'd be a pain to code, but what isn't a pain to code? :/

Anyway, this idea has my firm support.

The Bismarckian
Posted - 2011.01.19 10:12:00 - [117]

I fully support this proposal. Also, I don't have any problem giving CCP an extra $10 for this. As it is now, I can't see many people paying for the portrait swap just to fix a smile, or change their hair color. CCP is missing out on possible income here.

When all male character portraits except the Brutor, and Amar looked feminine I chose to make a flashy looking female Gallente. With this new character creator the range of possibilities has jumped immensely. I would like the chance to reboot my character in the new system even if I have to pay for it.

The argument on the portrait swap page is weak in the first place. If someone changes their looks it doesn't erase the trail of wrongdoing they may have done in game. Moreover, this is the future. If your prideful Amarian CEO decides to turn into a chick with purple hair who gives a damn. It sounds like it enhances roleplay to me!

Get this done CCP!

The Scope
Posted - 2011.01.19 11:17:00 - [118]

So.. It's been 4 pages of supported, and still not even a CSM response.


Levi Alexander
Posted - 2011.01.19 12:36:00 - [119]

Edited by: Levi Alexander on 19/01/2011 12:41:18
Edited by: Levi Alexander on 19/01/2011 12:40:53
Completely in agreement. I'd propose a full, one-time change of race and bloodline, there are no balancing issues involved here, this shouldn't be such a problem. I believe the only difference would be some minor attributes in the starter ship.

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.01.19 13:34:00 - [120]


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