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Sarossa
Posted - 2010.12.25 15:50:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Sarossa on 25/12/2010 15:50:28
Originally by: Shintai
Edited by: Shintai on 25/12/2010 14:12:14

Its like asking why EvE doesnt support the previous 3D attempt with the red/blue glasses. Or why it doesnt support another fail technology like eyefinity etc.

In 1-2 years I bet you the current "3D" will be gone again. Just like its predecessors. It will only stay the day we get real 3D. But thats like 10-20 years away atleast.



Hate to break it to you mate but multi-monitor setups like eyefinity work fine and have worked fine for many years. The difference now being in that since it is supported by the graphics card inherently there is no need to continue to make different variations of it to get the same result.

Here being a screenshot from Eve from my own computer - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9030/20100411202521.jpg

Did you know that even DOOM had the ability to be played across 3 monitors?

Since multi monitor setups have become more common and Nvidia and AMD have both decided to add support for it to the graphics cards themselves (it helps that there are only 2 major players in the market since it is easier to implement such a new feature across so many different devices) you cant compare it to 3d since it would, likewise, need all the vendors to agree to implement it a certain way before it had the same impact something like eyefinity or surround does.

3d also has the additional barrier in that the technology driving it faces a few hurdles that need to be overcome before it would be both at the required level of quality and also cheap enough to implement. Multi Monitor setups/gaming doesn't really have that hurdle to overcome now which is why it has become so popular in such a short time.

Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
Posted - 2010.12.25 16:08:00 - [32]
 

Quote:

I had those same issues with tridef. However I don't remember it being boxed. Actually that was what impressed me, the stations where huge and very far away, it was... a different game. Maybe it's just my perception, or that I'm not used to the effect. Or perhaps it's a difference in this particular game with tridef and iz3d. Maybe it was all in my mind.



Play Divinity2: Flames of Vengeance and you'll "get" what I mean. In this game I went near a table with a lot of stuff on it and it seemed like being actually there.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2010.12.25 16:59:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Grez
Not to do with the software. Tell NVIDIA to fix their drivers. It just interprets the scene and renders two images certain distances apart. If it's interpreting that incorrectly, you get crappy 3D.

Drivers don't matter essentially. Its the same issue in the cinema. Look outside of what the director wants you to see. And you get punished badly in this fake 3D. You could just start to play/watch in a fraction of the resolution. And never think while you watch.

Why do you keep it calling fake 3D?
It's a picture for each eye, like in real life..

You have the effect of focus being at a distinct depth the director intended (or better the cameras had focused on) and can't naturally focus how you want, but you can't do that on a 2D movie either.. So I really don't see the problem.
That's like wanting a real golden colour tone on your screen and your monitor can't deliver it, cause he can't create 'gold'.

I had no problem looking around on a screen with.. uh.. I don't know.. probably 12m wide and 6m high and could look at what I wanted. All was 3D. You can't tilt your head while watching, as the polarisation filters won't work any more then.. but besides that there was no real flaw.

So, if you could describe what your real problem with it is..?


Because its not 3D. And if you look outside the focus point you see....blur. So if you dont look at say, the hero in the movie. But wish to look at the side where the villian is coming. Or just something else. You cant. In a socalled 2D movie you can. Or in real 3D you can as well.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2010.12.25 17:02:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Sarossa
Edited by: Sarossa on 25/12/2010 15:50:28
Originally by: Shintai
Edited by: Shintai on 25/12/2010 14:12:14

Its like asking why EvE doesnt support the previous 3D attempt with the red/blue glasses. Or why it doesnt support another fail technology like eyefinity etc.

In 1-2 years I bet you the current "3D" will be gone again. Just like its predecessors. It will only stay the day we get real 3D. But thats like 10-20 years away atleast.



Hate to break it to you mate but multi-monitor setups like eyefinity work fine and have worked fine for many years. The difference now being in that since it is supported by the graphics card inherently there is no need to continue to make different variations of it to get the same result.

Here being a screenshot from Eve from my own computer - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9030/20100411202521.jpg

Did you know that even DOOM had the ability to be played across 3 monitors?

Since multi monitor setups have become more common and Nvidia and AMD have both decided to add support for it to the graphics cards themselves (it helps that there are only 2 major players in the market since it is easier to implement such a new feature across so many different devices) you cant compare it to 3d since it would, likewise, need all the vendors to agree to implement it a certain way before it had the same impact something like eyefinity or surround does.

3d also has the additional barrier in that the technology driving it faces a few hurdles that need to be overcome before it would be both at the required level of quality and also cheap enough to implement. Multi Monitor setups/gaming doesn't really have that hurdle to overcome now which is why it has become so popular in such a short time.


And we all love the famous bezel. Multimonitors is usually useless. Since its a better solution to buy the bigger monitor. Plus its a desperate attempt from GFX makers, since people reached the point of having "enough".

A good example of when its really bad is this: http://windows7themes.net/pics/amd-eyefinity-wow.JPG

games basicly needs to be designed to really use it. And then you dont need the tech itself. Just 2 or 3 screens or whatever you like.

Artemis Ahab
Caldari
The Inf1dels
SCUM.
Posted - 2010.12.25 20:56:00 - [35]
 

I want one of those thought controllers. The one where you control the computer just by your thoughts, couple that with a room like Bugenhagen had in Final Fantasy 7? Can you say Ultimate EVE experience Very Happy

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.25 21:01:00 - [36]
 

you have too much money on your hands. Now get back to mining...

T'Laar Bok
Posted - 2010.12.25 23:00:00 - [37]
 

For approximately 30 years I have conducted extensive research on the most fun way to achieve a headache.

Its alcohol, 3D is waaaaaaaaay down the list.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2010.12.26 00:29:00 - [38]
 

the 3d gimmiktry will probably fade out in a year, tv sales already dramatically declining as people are getting naucious or dont even like how it looks after they see one. Most sales are from those who bought one before they seen one.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.26 00:38:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Selinate on 26/12/2010 07:10:38
Edited by: Selinate on 26/12/2010 07:10:22
Eve in 3D?

Erm... I'm not sure how any game in 3D like that would be a huge improvement.... I saw Avatar 3D, I could hardly tell it was 3D, didn't look much nicer to me...

EDIT: I support 3d adult films though..

Suboran
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2010.12.26 00:41:00 - [40]
 

3d has always just given me a headache tbh

Taladia
Posted - 2010.12.26 01:52:00 - [41]
 

Even ESPN isn't sure about the future of 3D and what ROI it will bring. In my opinion it's going to suffer the same fate of the other 3D attempts. Get rid of the glasses and maybe, but current technology is nowhere near able to do 3D without glasses.

http://hd.engadget.com/2010/10/31/espn-3d-still-searching-for-roi-to-determine-feasibility-of-seco/

Rusty Waynne
Caldari
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2010.12.26 08:13:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Zora'e
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Zora'e
I went to Costco a few weeks back and they had a wide screen TV there (was probably about 50in) that was built for 3d. I will be frankly honest. If that is the current tech for 3d, it hasn't improved. The visual on the TV sucked major dog backside.

We'll, I was talking cinema NOW and 3D 50" for home use in about 5 YEARS.

Had you been to the cinema and seen one of the 3D movies?
Can't talk much about the story for Avatar (dances with the wolves V2.0) for example, but the 3D was stunning..
The glasses suck and for home use the screens and tech isn't ripe yet either, but as I said.. this time 3D will stay with us.


I wish. I would have loved to see Avatar in 3D just to experience what everyone was raving about. Unfortunately, no theaters anywhere close to where I live run anything in 3d. And getting to the ones that do entails either flying, or taking a boat.


Didn't miss out on much so don't fret...

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.26 08:35:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
I saw a movie in 3d when I was a kid.... well it honestly isn't any better in feature films, and is pretty much just a way to make movie tickets cost even more.

..as a kid? You mean red-blue-glasses or those special dome-widescreen theatres which offered 3D documentations/shortstories since the 80'ies?

IMAX.. that had been my 1st contact with this tbh.. a movie about a kid in the future aboard a space station.. all in 3D. 15min long.

PS: most of the pictures I wan't to keep for remembering stuff I do in 3D since 10 years now. First just by moving the camera horizontally about 50cm and taking another picture (if stuff moves the result is bad though) and since 2 years I modded 2 samsung digital cameras to release at the same time. Can even do waterfalls and plants in the wind now without loss in 3D quality.. Cool
And since 1 year I think Fujifilm has a camera out that does this natively with 2 lenses..

PPS: people who say that this is just FOTM stuff always baffle me. If it were up to you, then we'd still have b/w tv.. or even just radio..


My first IMAX 3D experience was Avatar, could almost fap to the furry sex scene Shocked

Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
Posted - 2010.12.26 09:01:00 - [44]
 

I despise this new fad for so called '3d' - it didn't work that well when I was a nipper, and it doesn't work that well now!

It's not even true 3d, like a previous poster said. If you try looking anywhere other than what you're supposed to be looking at you see nothing but blur. All you really see are flat shapes moving in front of other flat shapes - not true 3d where objects themselves have depth.

Oh and the best bit.. I've tried to watch a couple of movies at the cinema and both times they've triggered seizures! And my epilepsy isn't even photosensitive. Just to make sure though, I tried on the glasses at a 'Sky 3D' booth in my local town, and within a few seconds.. bam! Down to the floor! Not to mention that it gives my partner migranes.. so yeah. I don't like this fad of 3d.

Planktal Vyurr
Gallente
Kenshao Industries
Galactic Acqisition Specialists
Posted - 2010.12.26 09:02:00 - [45]
 

in 2017

Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.26 11:08:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Lord Wamphyri
*snip*
Just to make sure though, I tried on the glasses at a 'Sky 3D' booth in my local town, and within a few seconds.. bam! Down to the floor! Not to mention that it gives my partner migranes.. so yeah. I don't like this fad of 3d.

Did you get your money back?

Man, I'm happy this stuff works for me so good Very Happy

Shu'Kam
Caldari
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch.
Sev3rance
Posted - 2010.12.26 11:25:00 - [47]
 

dont see the point of this at all. id rather sit with a crappy 17 inch crt and have working game then 50inch 3d tv and non working game.


Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.26 11:33:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Shu'Kam
dont see the point of this at all. id rather sit with a crappy 17 inch crt and have working game then 50inch 3d tv and non working game.

If CCP is redoing the UI, they might as well put in the little extra effort to make it 3D-mode-compatible.. best down at corified level, so that the peeps at WoD or we in Incarna can use it too.
The heavy stuff on it is done by the drivers for the graphics card anyway and nothing CCP has to care for or about.

fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2010.12.26 11:51:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: fuxinos on 26/12/2010 12:04:04
Originally by: Taladia
but current technology is nowhere near able to do 3D without glasses.


Autostereoscopy. Its ready and in use.

That aside, there are even better technologys around by now. Youtube

Desigre
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.26 11:52:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Kariva
Edited by: Kariva on 25/12/2010 07:51:22
When you run in 3d mode(glasses,redcyan ,etc...) it looks little crapy. Is CCP planing to upgrade their compability witch the new technology ?


True 3D? I think ccp need to wait untill holodeck is released Razz

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.26 17:35:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: fuxinos
Edited by: fuxinos on 26/12/2010 12:04:04
Originally by: Taladia
but current technology is nowhere near able to do 3D without glasses.


Autostereoscopy. Its ready and in use.

That aside, there are even better technologys around by now. Youtube


Well that's pretty cool, though I don't think it'd be very useful for video games or movies really. Plus, I doubt many people would want a huge spinning screen in their house, lol.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.26 18:12:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Shintai
Because its not 3D. And if you look outside the focus point you see....blur. So if you dont look at say, the hero in the movie. But wish to look at the side where the villian is coming. Or just something else. You cant. In a socalled 2D movie you can. Or in real 3D you can as well.
No. You can't do that in a 2D movie either…

unless the director (or DoP) has chosen to put focus on said villain, in which case they could/would do the same in 3D and you can choose to look at him in that kind of movie as well. All you ever see in a movie is what the director lets you see. The amount of dimensions has nothing to do with that.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.26 18:39:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Tres Farmer
this time 3D will stay with us.

i doubt it, its still just a rubbish gimmick.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.26 21:40:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 26/12/2010 21:45:59
Originally by: Zora'e
Honestly.. every few years a new 3D craze overwhelms the world. It wasn't good the first time, second time, third time etc. When will people get it through their thick skulls that 3D is nothing more than a very poor visual gimmick.


The technology has improved a lot since the last time it was popular in the 80s or so. Just because it went out of style twice before doesn't mean it's an inherently bad idea. In case you're not aware, the real world is (at least) 3D, so for entertainment to try to emulate that is good as long as the technology supports it well. It's not a gimmick any more than HD TVs or surround sound are. Whether the technology is mature enough for it to really be practical in the long term has yet to be seen.

On the other hand, people making 3D movies need to stop the "Whoa! It's coming out of the screen at you! Isn't that so rad?!?" thing. 3D should be like any effect--it should contribute to the story and the movie as a whole instead of taking over.

Originally by: Taladia
current technology is nowhere near able to do 3D without glasses.


Have you really never heard of the Nintendo 3DS that's being released next year? Been living in a cave or what?

From all accounts I've read from people who've tried it out at E3 and so forth, it works fine and requires no glasses.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.26 21:46:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Kyra Felann on 26/12/2010 21:46:22
whoops...mods, delete this post

Stratharn
Posted - 2010.12.27 11:09:00 - [56]
 

I don't know about 3D - but I have seen Eve running on a planetarium projector. It was at least a 50ft dome, with recliner seats... and apart from the very edges where things went a bit wonky, it was utterly utterly cool.

You don't need 3D when you've got a setup like that.

Rifter 3D

Grimpak
Gallente
Midnight Elites
Echelon Rising
Posted - 2010.12.27 12:55:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Grimpak on 27/12/2010 12:55:47
Originally by: Shintai
Originally by: Sarossa
Edited by: Sarossa on 25/12/2010 15:50:28
Originally by: Shintai
Edited by: Shintai on 25/12/2010 14:12:14

Its like asking why EvE doesnt support the previous 3D attempt with the red/blue glasses. Or why it doesnt support another fail technology like eyefinity etc.

In 1-2 years I bet you the current "3D" will be gone again. Just like its predecessors. It will only stay the day we get real 3D. But thats like 10-20 years away atleast.



Hate to break it to you mate but multi-monitor setups like eyefinity work fine and have worked fine for many years. The difference now being in that since it is supported by the graphics card inherently there is no need to continue to make different variations of it to get the same result.

Here being a screenshot from Eve from my own computer - http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/9030/20100411202521.jpg

Did you know that even DOOM had the ability to be played across 3 monitors?

Since multi monitor setups have become more common and Nvidia and AMD have both decided to add support for it to the graphics cards themselves (it helps that there are only 2 major players in the market since it is easier to implement such a new feature across so many different devices) you cant compare it to 3d since it would, likewise, need all the vendors to agree to implement it a certain way before it had the same impact something like eyefinity or surround does.

3d also has the additional barrier in that the technology driving it faces a few hurdles that need to be overcome before it would be both at the required level of quality and also cheap enough to implement. Multi Monitor setups/gaming doesn't really have that hurdle to overcome now which is why it has become so popular in such a short time.


And we all love the famous bezel. Multimonitors is usually useless. Since its a better solution to buy the bigger monitor. Plus its a desperate attempt from GFX makers, since people reached the point of having "enough".

A good example of when its really bad is this: http://windows7themes.net/pics/amd-eyefinity-wow.JPG

games basicly needs to be designed to really use it. And then you dont need the tech itself. Just 2 or 3 screens or whatever you like.
even then, you can get more practical uses out of eyefinity than 3D.

I do agree that current 3D tech is a nice gimmic, but the fad seems to be going away. local theatres are displaying less and less 3D movies and it has been steadily declining since Avatar, and I've been seeing less and less screens being sold as "3D capable".

heheheh
Phoenix Club
Posted - 2010.12.27 13:45:00 - [58]
 

It may well be everywhere eventually. when it actually looks good, but atm, it looks crap.

Kariva
Posted - 2010.12.30 19:02:00 - [59]
 

Ehh As it seems CCP had fixed it on singularity.
After plaing with depth setings i managet to get som nice effects :)
pic1
pic2
pic3

Denaris Aschanna
Posted - 2010.12.30 21:09:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Selinate
I support 3d adult films though..


You could put somebodies eye out with that.. Very Happy


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