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Liu Bu
Gallente
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2010.12.20 02:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 02:44:38
Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 02:43:45
I saw on the KB and on COAD that NCdot has joined the war on Init/IT side. So i have to ask. Is there no real loyalty at all in this spaceship game?

The 2 biggest corps in NCdot used to be in AAA and ROL. Was there big enough hatred when they left to make them side against their old friends?? And didn't they leave because they didn't want the SOv warfare at all?

And how are IT&Init feeling about this??? NCdot used to kill IT and IT pets en mass. In Fountain and PB (sys-K carrier ****). And IT was a big factor in kicking NCdot and Evoke out of Cloud. So how are they feeling about this? And what will Evoke do? Also take the side of their old enemy's? or will they join SW and become enemy's with NCdot?

Its interesting to see that real loyaltys are hard to find in EvE. But equally as interesting is that when they are made they are build to last. As in NC and DRF and as in SW+AAA+ROL. These groups have sticked together for a long long time and will probably do so for the future.

So is this just a case of A group switching from opportunity to opportunity?? Fighting with no real loyalty to anyone?? Ready to turn against their friends at the next contract?? Its like as if NC would ask PL to now join the fight the DRF on their side.

And what about the future?? Will they reset Init neut in the future, and become an independent alliance Against the Init&IT blob? Then i need to ask, why help them now? Or will NCdot and Evoke become part of the Blue blob.

ttocszed00
Caldari
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:12:00 - [2]
 

first

glitterbomb
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:14:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: glitterbomb on 20/12/2010 03:15:52
There are no friends in eve. only targets



oh and test. we are on the way home, you can log back in now

K'Bar
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:14:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: K''Bar on 20/12/2010 03:14:24
TEST tears = best tears! Laughing

Zimi Vlasic
Amarr
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:16:00 - [5]
 

They do it to harvest threads like this one.

Nostradamous
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas.
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:25:00 - [6]
 

lol

Anile8er
Minmatar
Five Fat Soldiers
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:27:00 - [7]
 

Confirming we are harvesting threads like this one and contract isk....

jtaylor13
Caldari
Maverick Fleet Systems
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:28:00 - [8]
 

Simple. ( The enemy of my enemy is my friend.)As the enemy changes so do the friends.) Life lesson,.

Liu Bu
Gallente
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:30:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 03:31:26
Serious, No actual Real answer ?? No one here has a real opinion?

Edit: jtaylor13 sorry: yours is actually real and good. But how long can that go on. Would you simple blue everyone ?? Just to fight someone ? Are their no real friends at all ?

snugglebutt
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:31:00 - [10]
 

I'm of the opinion that the Crow is a terrible interceptor.

Jimmy Duce
Gallente
Chaotic Tranquility
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:33:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: snugglebutt
I'm of the opinion that the Crow is a terrible interceptor.


Train for a taranis, you won't regret it.

Anile8er
Minmatar
Five Fat Soldiers
Posted - 2010.12.20 03:36:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Anile8er on 20/12/2010 03:36:53
Originally by: Liu Bu
Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 03:31:26
Serious, No actual Real answer ?? No one here has a real opinion?

Edit: jtaylor13 sorry: yours is actually real and good. But how long can that go on. Would you simple blue everyone ?? Just to fight someone ? Are their no real friends at all ?


Your simple mind is really struggling with this one? after you put what i've typed into google translate it might clear things up for you. See we are a group of players whom gank (kill) targets of oppurtunity. Someone has payed us a sum of isk to see another player group as targets of oppurtunity. So in summary our loyalty is to those whom have paid us isk to kill others.


Eanae
Gallente
Martyr's Vengence
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.20 05:28:00 - [13]
 

Selling TEST tears. 100m per vial. Contact me for this amazing offer.

Liu Bu
Gallente
Abyssal Heavy Industries
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2010.12.20 05:46:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 05:47:31
Originally by: Anile8er
Edited by: Anile8er on 20/12/2010 03:36:53
Your simple mind is really struggling with this one? after you put what i've typed into google translate it might clear things up for you. See we are a group of players whom gank (kill) targets of oppurtunity. Someone has payed us a sum of isk to see another player group as targets of oppurtunity. So in summary our loyalty is to those whom have paid us isk to kill others.



Y thats the point i want to address. You say its just a "job" so if CVA paid you say 30Bil you would attack Evoke ?? and if AAA would pay you 31Bil (or like 1 Bil more then Init) would you attack Init instead?? How do you, as 'mercenaries' alliance cope with this? And how would any possible employer view this? That you would turn on anyone and everyone for the right price.

Just want to figure out why Loyalty is so scarce in EvE. Is it just because its a game so its all not important?

Easley Thames
Gallente
The Maverick Navy
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2010.12.20 05:57:00 - [15]
 

NCdot haven't exactly embraced IT with open arms. Their contract with Init means coordinating in some cases to avoid stepping on each other's toes, but that's about it.

I wouldn't say NCdot have any super-strong connection to AAA either, aside from R A being former members. Their identity is more like Tri than some kind of loyal AAA spin-off. That would be a really warped way of looking at it.

There have been far more dramatic "betrayals" in recent years, and I'm not sure if you could even use that word in that case.

OrDeR
Caldari
Muppet Factory
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.20 06:20:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: OrDeR on 20/12/2010 06:22:04

Originally by: Liu Bu
Edited by: Liu Bu on 20/12/2010 05:47:31
Originally by: Anile8er
Edited by: Anile8er on 20/12/2010 03:36:53
Your simple mind is really struggling with this one? after you put what i've typed into google translate it might clear things up for you. See we are a group of players whom gank (kill) targets of oppurtunity. Someone has payed us a sum of isk to see another player group as targets of oppurtunity. So in summary our loyalty is to those whom have paid us isk to kill others.



Y thats the point i want to address. You say its just a "job" so if CVA paid you say 30Bil you would attack Evoke ?? and if AAA would pay you 31Bil (or like 1 Bil more then Init) would you attack Init instead?? How do you, as 'mercenaries' alliance cope with this? And how would any possible employer view this? That you would turn on anyone and everyone for the right price.

Just want to figure out why Loyalty is so scarce in EvE. Is it just because its a game so its all not important?


No nc.dot would not attack evoke for 30bil, Evoke are our German brothers..

If AAA approached nc.dot offering 31bil I would assume we would have accepted the contract. Once a contract is accepted doubt we would accept a contract which would conflict with the current contract.

Employers transactions would go through Chribba so you can't turn on anyone or everyone until contract is complete.

Loyalty is not scarce in EVE, Just on occasion the strong prey on the weak which is the same in the real world.


Miss Dixie
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2010.12.20 07:02:00 - [17]
 

Tin FOIL checking in

doom ceo = ex Dice member

<3 vince so does that make ncdot IT alts or IT alts of ncdot or

we all just like the same target at times :)

Comboduck
Minmatar
Judicio Sine Misericordia
Posted - 2010.12.20 11:46:00 - [18]
 

it's simple, unlike the massive carebearwagons out here such as NC and DRF we just want to shoot people. when all our targets dock up/die/move well then you gotta move on for new ones

Xiaodown
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.20 13:48:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Easley Thames
NCdot haven't exactly embraced IT with open arms. Their contract with Init means coordinating in some cases to avoid stepping on each other's toes, but that's about it.

I wouldn't say NCdot have any super-strong connection to AAA either, aside from R A being former members. Their identity is more like Tri than some kind of loyal AAA spin-off. That would be a really warped way of looking at it.

There have been far more dramatic "betrayals" in recent years, and I'm not sure if you could even use that word in that case.


Yeah, pretty much this. D00M. absorbed most of Tri's various incarnations, that's the core of NCdot. The one consistency, other than the doom/RspaceA trek to AAA land for a while, is that they've always shot members of the NC, ever since it's been MM/RZR at the core. Sometimes it's friendly sport, sometimes they try to take space, but that's been the consistent unifying factor. D00M has been farming the NC for like 4 years.

So, if there's pew pew to be had, and if it's against the NC, then NCdot will be there. Not surprised at all; OP lacks context.

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.20 14:36:00 - [20]
 

IT (BoB) has a long storied history of requiring mercenary support to survive so I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anybody.

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.20 14:53:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
IT (BoB) has a long storied history of requiring mercenary support to survive so I'm not sure why this is a surprise to anybody.


Unlike goonies, who do everything on their own. ugh

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2010.12.20 17:10:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Liu Bu
Its like as if NC would ask PL to now join the fight the DRF on their side.




This will probably happen tbh, or PL + NC to attack the south

Who really cares, you will all lag and die anyway Laughing

DHB WildCat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.20 22:37:00 - [23]
 

INIT has paid NC. to "not shoot them". NC. Has obviously accepted this and in what I consider the most wussy move ever. NC. has turned into full blown IT pets.

A large fall from the once PL contenders that used to be.

1 Billion ISK that the cowards blue PL next.

Arkazzul
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.20 23:12:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: DHB WildCat
INIT has paid NC. to "not shoot them". NC. Has obviously accepted this and in what I consider the most wussy move ever. NC. has turned into full blown IT pets.

A large fall from the once PL contenders that used to be.

1 Billion ISK that the cowards blue PL next.


DHB Wild***

You Mad ?

And as far as it be known IT isnt part of the agreement and are still neutral.

As for pet claims Burn Eden -A- Pets, whats the difference right?

:-)

Shinma Apollo
Caldari
BURN EDEN
Posted - 2010.12.21 00:09:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Arkazzul
Originally by: DHB WildCat
INIT has paid NC. to "not shoot them". NC. Has obviously accepted this and in what I consider the most wussy move ever. NC. has turned into full blown IT pets.

A large fall from the once PL contenders that used to be.

1 Billion ISK that the cowards blue PL next.


DHB Wild***

You Mad ?

And as far as it be known IT isnt part of the agreement and are still neutral.

As for pet claims Burn Eden -A- Pets, whats the difference right?

:-)



I see your pet claim and raise you my second char with a full page of Stainwagon kills http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=54486

The difference between nc. and us, is that when we say we're here to kill everyone, we actually follow through. Hey though, Tri-esque alliances with ex-bob execs have a long successful history, so you should be all good.

DHB WildCat
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.21 00:52:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Arkazzul
Originally by: DHB WildCat
INIT has paid NC. to "not shoot them". NC. Has obviously accepted this and in what I consider the most wussy move ever. NC. has turned into full blown IT pets.

A large fall from the once PL contenders that used to be.

1 Billion ISK that the cowards blue PL next.


DHB Wild***

You Mad ?

And as far as it be known IT isnt part of the agreement and are still neutral.

As for pet claims Burn Eden -A- Pets, whats the difference right?

:-)


Not mad at all. Just dissapointed. Another failed up and coming alliance lost to blueing enemies in fear. And as for me being anyones pet.... I hate -A-, hate them second to only one other alliance in this game. I will purposely shoot them over IT / INIT. Even when Kick says we are not shooting -A- in an engagement I will refuse to go in and or log off. I will not help them!

Yes I am mad about and at -A-

Spurty
Caldari
V0LTA
VOLTA Corp
Posted - 2010.12.21 01:06:00 - [27]
 

Posting in a thread demanding a loyalty check.




David Carel
Caldari
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.21 01:53:00 - [28]
 

Clearly too many missions have been ran for IT/INIT. NC. has to spend their LP on some HG CCP Pet sets, I heard they give you extra lag when fighting on a supposedly reinforced node.

Evil Thugs
Caldari
NoobFleet
Posted - 2010.12.21 01:55:00 - [29]
 

Replying to a successful troll/whine thread, started by a butthurt member of Casserole.

Rolling Eyes

Mykael Skychild
Amarr
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.21 02:13:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Mykael Skychild on 21/12/2010 02:15:03
NC. was paid 30bil by INIT for +10 standings and a commitment to fight TEST. They even had a campaign on their KB to recognize this fact. However it was quickly taken down when it showed NC. as having a 15% efficiency in their campaign.

Every time we engage NC. they end up losing their T2 sniperhac fleets to our T1 BC fleets. Rather pathetic...

Also it was a colossal waste of ISK for INIT as we have accomplished what we went down south to do and and returning home to clean up Fountain.


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