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Eternus8lux8lucis
Minmatar
Whack-A-Mole
Posted - 2010.12.17 13:54:00 - [1]
 

In Eve most of the military corporations are labeled "navy", yet in real life for NASA and other space programs the Mission Commanders and pilots for the shuttle are always Air Force trained. Even though the shuttle is more a glider it still lands and "flies".

When space begins to be colonized and more craft are sent into it and ships, such as we have here are created, who would run them? The Air Forces of the world or the Navys of the world? Perhaps by then itll be a one world government so it will only be THE Air Force or THE Navy, yet still.

To bad I cant post a poll on this one as its an intriguing question.Twisted Evil

Derrick'DelBoy'Tr0tter
Posted - 2010.12.17 13:56:00 - [2]
 

Cool story bro.

Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
Posted - 2010.12.17 13:59:00 - [3]
 

Spaceship

Shar Tegral
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:01:00 - [4]
 

Though in my personal life I've always considered the Navy a waste of seamen, I'd have to vote Navy and here's why: Air Force is about single man or dual man crews. The Navy is about managing massive crews.

So, while it is possible that you might find the f-14 equivalent space craft floating around you'll likely find that it flew off the carrier ship requiring 100's (1000's) of men to maintain and operate.

Naval experience and tradition is more in line with that than the Air Force.

De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:02:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Eternus8lux8lucis
In Eve most of the military corporations are labeled "navy", yet in real life for NASA and other space programs the Mission Commanders and pilots for the shuttle are always Air Force trained. Even though the shuttle is more a glider it still lands and "flies".

When space begins to be colonized and more craft are sent into it and ships, such as we have here are created, who would run them? The Air Forces of the world or the Navys of the world? Perhaps by then itll be a one world government so it will only be THE Air Force or THE Navy, yet still.

To bad I cant post a poll on this one as its an intriguing question.Twisted Evil


Anything larger than a breadbox is called a ship. Ships are run by Navies, if historical reference is anything to speak of. My guess is the Airforce would get rolled into the Navy to fly fighters, and that sort of thing.

Also, about the Nasa thing:

You might be interested to know that the commander of STS-1, a John W. Young, was a Naval Aviator, not an Air Force pilot.

Chrysalis D'lilth
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:06:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Eternus8lux8lucis

When space begins to be colonized and more craft are sent into it and ships, such as we have here are created, who would run them? The Air Forces of the world or the Navys of the world? Perhaps by then itll be a one world government so it will only be THE Air Force or THE Navy, yet still.

To bad I cant post a poll on this one as its an intriguing question.Twisted Evil


Neither will, it will be Starfleet.

Jenny Hawk
State War Academy
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:07:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Jenny Hawk on 17/12/2010 14:07:25
Frigates are more like aircraft, the rest more like ships.
You would expect stealth bomber (which is a 1-on-1 adaption from aeroplanes) squadrons but battleship fleets.

CCP also uses no real consequent titelature; titles like squadron leader are of course air force inspired, while all the major faction's combat corps are navies.

Jagga Spikes
Minmatar
Spikes Chop Shop
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:09:00 - [8]
 

navy is most likely. "navis" is latin for ship. so, if future spaceships look anything similar to surface ships, navy would be proper term. tho, some languages use terms (for navy) that are derived from "sea" or "water". these would probably have to adapt to something different.

personally, as silly as "spacey" may sound, it's quite appropriate term :)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:11:00 - [9]
 

Because by narrative tradition, space is an ocean.

Niquita Serov
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:17:00 - [10]
 

it will (continue to) be air force run.

they may have the name spaceSHIP, but (discounting submarines) navies operate on a two dimensional plane, where as the air force operates in three dimensions.
Last time I checked, space was most definitely not two dimensional Wink

SkinSin
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:22:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: SkinSin on 17/12/2010 14:31:33
Edited by: SkinSin on 17/12/2010 14:22:21
Originally by: Niquita Serov
it will (continue to) be air force run.

they may have the name spaceSHIP, but (discounting submarines) navies operate on a two dimensional plane, where as the air force operates in three dimensions.
Last time I checked, space was most definitely not two dimensional Wink

submarines operate in a 3d space as you said, but that one item invalidates the rest of it. Also navies do operate aircraft...

edit: made clearer

Faolan Fortune
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:23:00 - [12]
 

Also even the word Astronaut derives from the greek words astron and nautes, meaning 'star sailor'.


Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:43:00 - [13]
 

urgh not this topic again.

At the moment spacecraft are like aircraft (more like bombers to be precise, with a captain who still flies the ship and a co pilot and the others are just responsible for secondary stuff. They could all die and as long as the captain is alive he can bring the thing back home.

When (if ever) they make massive ships like we see in eve and most other scifi, the captain will be in charge but won't do anything other than make decisions, then it will be structured like a navy.

CCP StevieSG

Posted - 2010.12.17 14:44:00 - [14]
 

Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.

Nicholas Barker
Deez Nuts.
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:46:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: CCP StevieSG
Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.


Is this your default response to every thread you see?

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2010.12.17 14:49:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP StevieSG
Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.
Might wanna read the subject matter Wink

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.17 15:03:00 - [17]
 

Neither. Both the air force and navy can make claims to 'owning' a space force. They both bring desirable skills and strengths that a space force will need.

A new force, with a new name, will need to be created as a political compromise.

A more important reason for creating an independent space force is because fighting in space is completely different from how you fight on the seas or in the atmosphere. You don't want your new space force being held back by old, out of place, ocean and air based strategies and tactics carried forward from the navy and air force.


De'Veldrin
Minmatar
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2010.12.17 15:06:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Nicholas Barker
Originally by: CCP StevieSG
Moved to Out of Pod from EVE General.


Is this your default response to every thread you see?


No occasionally she moves troll threads to F&I. Probably just to shake things up a little.

Also IBDM.

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.17 16:34:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
Though in my personal life I've always considered the Navy a waste of seamen, I'd have to vote Navy and here's why: Air Force is about single man or dual man crews. The Navy is about managing massive crews.

So, while it is possible that you might find the f-14 equivalent space craft floating around you'll likely find that it flew off the carrier ship requiring 100's (1000's) of men to maintain and operate.

Naval experience and tradition is more in line with that than the Air Force.


^ that!

Air Force crews at best maybe spend half a day in the air then come back down (AWACS?). Air Force really does not have the experience, tradition, culture needed to operate ships for weeks away from bases/ports.

Of all the present services only Navy fits the mission description.

Kaahles
Deliverers of Pain
Posted - 2010.12.17 17:04:00 - [20]
 

Tricky question. Usually we're all used to space stuff being run by the "navy" since it's a dominant theme in current and past scifi (Star Trek's Starfleet comes to mind here as the most widely known one). I mean sure it's a theme we're used to and it makes since with massive ships, especially on the military sector which are called Battleships, Cruisers etc. and are, as mentioned before, run by huge crews while airforce operations are usually run by small or single crews. And seriously it would be a little strange to see a battlecruiser beeing run by a crew of air force people. It would be ridiculous to call a massive "space vehicle" with tons of guns and hundreds or thousands of people a bomber.

On the other hand we probably all know Star Gate (why did those suckers have to cancel SGU when it was just picking up momentum) where said battlecruisers (304's anyone?) are run by air force personnel. Makes perfectly sense, too. Why? Well let's look at the USAF as an example. According to their website
Quote:
The mission of the United States Air Force is to fly, fight and win...in air, space and cyberspace.

For that mission they even have a division called "Space Superiority Systems Wing". The also have the "Air Force Space Command" which runs and launches satellites and they operate the ballistic nuclear missiles.

So it's a bit tricky. From the current organization of armed forces, at least from the point of view of the us armed forces, it's the air force that runs the show. But if we look at how they run the show and the commonly used scifi themes it would be the navy.

But there is another possibility. The solution the writers of the BSG remake came up with makes the most sense to me. The "Colonial Fleet" is basically a bit of both. The ship itself is run like an aircraft carrier by the navy, the have special forces called "marines" and so on. The pilots basically reflect that what naval aviators do today. But if you look closely at it, especially on the rank structure it is basically a merger of air force and navy. If i remember correctly that was also the way it was done in Babylon 5, although with a few differences.

And that third options is basically what i think would happen. At first navy and air force both run their own show but eventually merge together into one unified force. Would it be called navy or air force? Well. How about neither. Just call it "The Fleet". The term fleet today is not used to describe "ships" in particular, it's more used to describe/name a "group of vessels or vehicles". There you go. Lot's a far travel, potential for pewpew and everybody is happy.

This wall of text was sponsored by a currently slightly bored geek Rolling Eyes

Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
Posted - 2010.12.17 17:32:00 - [21]
 

'Space navies' is going to be a very sensitive issue due to the ease of being able to project weapon platforms in space at any point on earth easily and in a short amount of time. I think its an arms race that so far the USA and others have avoided starting. They could easily fit satellite with lasers as anti-satellite. Or satellite with missiles for targeting earth land or sea targets. USA, Russia and China have land based ballistic missiles capable of shooting down space satellites.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.17 17:38:00 - [22]
 

We all know about the secret german station on the darkside of the moon. So it will be not airforce nor navy. It will be Raumwaffe.

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:29:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Shar Tegral
Though in my personal life I've always considered the Navy a waste of seamen


I interpreted that first sentence in the completely wrong way :s

Caleidascope
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:31:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vogue
'Space navies' is going to be a very sensitive issue due to the ease of being able to project weapon platforms in space at any point on earth easily and in a short amount of time. I think its an arms race that so far the USA and others have avoided starting. They could easily fit satellite with lasers as anti-satellite. Or satellite with missiles for targeting earth land or sea targets. USA, Russia and China have land based ballistic missiles capable of shooting down space satellites.

You must live in some other universe.

Current lasers are so bulky, they would not fit into a satellite. I am further doubtful of them being able to hit another satellite, space is big, satellites are small in comparison.

The idea that satellite can hold missile capable of attacking target on Earth is stupid. Are you talking mass driver maybe? If you are, have you seen the video of the Navy rail gun? Did you see all the support elements needed to make it work? You know of satellites that big?

The only point I agree with is that I think we have technology to shoot down satellite from Earth, probably special missile.

Betty Boom
Caldari
SPECTRE Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:36:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Betty Boom on 17/12/2010 18:55:53
Originally by: Caleidascope
The only point I agree with is that I think we have technology to shoot down satellite from Earth, probably special missile.

Anti satellite weapons are old. USA, Russia and China have them. China tested them on one of their own old satellites and got intenational protest for doing this. This was 3 years ago. Wink

Edit. China tests anti satellite weapon in 2007

So Sensational
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:41:00 - [26]
 

If it isn't the navy then we won't have mother****ing space marines, and then we don't get to nuke it from orbit. My vote's on navy.

Akira Kurosaw
Posted - 2010.12.17 18:49:00 - [27]
 

who cares about real life in a fantasy spaceship game?

Anyway, Navy and Air Force are for sissies, Space Marie's warhammer stile is what we want, i mean genitally modified religious fanatic what could possibly go wrong.


Khors
El Barco Pirata
Posted - 2010.12.17 19:00:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Niquita Serov
it will (continue to) be air force run.

they may have the name spaceSHIP, but (discounting submarines) navies operate on a two dimensional plane, where as the air force operates in three dimensions.
Last time I checked, space was most definitely not two dimensional Wink


Do you honestly believe this?

At any rate, it will most likely be navy as the personell will probably be structured the same way. However they operate on two or three dimensions doesn't really make a difference.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.17 19:21:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Professor Tarantula on 17/12/2010 19:29:37
Like others have said, the Navy deals with prolonged deployment of large crews, but it also abides by a large set of rules i can't recall the name of right now which has to do with each lone vessel being an entity unto itself and it's rights to claim new territories and wrecks.

Also, Navy vessels are required by the airforce to operate around the globe, so Navy vessels are already the main weapons platform.

stoicfaux
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.17 19:27:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: stoicfaux on 17/12/2010 19:27:42
deleted. wrong board.


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