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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente
Sigma Special Tactics Group
Posted - 2010.12.18 05:40:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
SciFi chan started going down when they decided not be scifi any more. Soon they'll run stupid reality shows about loggers, oh wait that's the formley known as history channel channel.


After Lexx was finished there was no reason to watch that channel.



Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.18 05:45:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer

After Lexx was finished there was no reason to watch that channel.



Was Babylon 5 for me

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.12.18 06:05:00 - [33]
 

Doesn't surprise me. Not because i have any agenda against SyFy but because SGU was ****.
A huge reason SG1 and SGA were a success was the humour, SU has nothing in that regard. Coupled with an unoriginal/uninteresting plotline doesn't make it something i'd make sure to record each week.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.18 06:29:00 - [34]
 

The smug humor and arrogance of the male lead in the other SGs were two things i was glad to see SGU didn't have. It was probably the best of the entire series, but that's still not saying much.

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.18 13:32:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Originally by: Reiisha

Yeah, whoever's running SyFy are a bunch of idiots. They just condemned the channel to have to survive purely on year-to-year budgets with nothing to fall back on ...



They could show re-runs of star trek*, Babylon 5, SG*, DR Who from the black and white onward, B Sci-Fi films. Heck, I'm sure they could do readings of all those dime store 1950s sci-fi paper backs and get better ratings than some of the current garbage.

How about ghost hunters ... all those ghosts are the now absent customers.


Reruns don't make money, they only save money. A slippery slope to start relying on them, since it means you're eventually going to be left with only reruns.

Noun Verber
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.18 14:24:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: ChaeDoc II
Doesn't surprise me. Not because i have any agenda against SyFy but because SGU was ****.
A huge reason SG1 and SGA were a success was the humour, SU has nothing in that regard. Coupled with an unoriginal/uninteresting plotline doesn't make it something i'd make sure to record each week.


There was a plot line? What was it? (We're on a ship is not a plot, it's a setting)

Zhim'Fufu
Posted - 2010.12.18 21:38:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Reiisha
Reruns don't make money, they only save money. A slippery slope to start relying on them, since it means you're eventually going to be left with only reruns.
If someone pays syfy for commerical space when showing a rerun then it certainly makes them money. Maybe not as much as can be charged with an original show but then again the license for reruns are usually dirt cheap so not much was spent to recoup. Besides there are tons of quality and not so quality older scifi shows out there that a good chuck of the younger target audiences have never seen so then it wouldn't be a rerun for them. They could do special days like a saturaday afternoon pulp scifi block with shows like buck rogers(both the original and the 70's with gil gerard) and many other campy shows. But alas the only thing on the corporate mentalitys mind is max profits so the limited but positive revenue that would be generated from running reruns would not be enough to feed their 6 figure bonuse appetites. Sad

Lady Skank
Ban Evasion inc
Posted - 2010.12.18 22:00:00 - [38]
 

Looks like the US syfy is going to become the same as the UKs syfy, endless reruns or crappy direct to dvd movies that no other channel would touch. SGU deserves to die however, killing off SG1 and then Atlantis to replace it with pile of garbage was unforgivable.

I feel bad for Robert Carlyle though, hes a talented actor and it might look bad having a series axed from under him like this.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.12.18 23:59:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Lady Skank
Looks like the US syfy is going to become the same as the UKs syfy, endless reruns or crappy direct to dvd movies that no other channel would touch. SGU deserves to die however, killing off SG1 and then Atlantis to replace it with pile of garbage was unforgivable.

I feel bad for Robert Carlyle though, hes a talented actor and it might look bad having a series axed from under him like this.


Yes but do you think he was really acting? Trying to get a pile of **** flying surrounded by ******s, I think Carlyle was Carlyle on set and to get into his 'role' he only ever needed to read the script. 'What, we got nothing to work with this week either!?'

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2010.12.19 08:22:00 - [40]
 

SciFi/Fantasy in general takes longer than a normal show to build up. The reason is because you have to explain the world, it is different than our world in some way and probably many ways. Thus not only do you have to character build you have to world build.

It is rare for a SciFi/Fantasy show to last more than 1 season on its first run. However if they do spin off another show at a later time that one is generally more successful.

The problem with SGU compared to SG1 and SGA is that it changed the entire format of the show, it was no longer familiar. While SGA differs from SG1 you have some similar plot elements. A SG command, an almost unbeatable enemy, etc. Thus unlike most sequels it no longer appealed to the original audience. Thus it died. Its a formula that happens time and again.

Let's look at BSG. The series was more popular than it was in 1978. It had built up a culture. However when the made Caprica they made the same error they did with SGU, they presented a world that was far different from what BSG fans was accustomed to. Thus they lost the base at the start, it then becomes an effort to win them back over. To me Caprica was more Pulp Fiction than it was Sci Fi, and I could not imagine how they went from this to being the spacefaring people we see in BSG. Sadly Caprica followed some errors of Galactica 1980.....child genius, changed genre (from space opera to planetside) and ultimately suffered the same fate as most have no clue what Galactica 1980 is today. Shame they ended the new BSG series such that it couldn't have a sequel.

Star Trek was panned by most critics, it was bad acting, poor special effects but in the end it paved the way for most TV/Movie Sci Fi in the coming decades. It would also spawn TNG which was a far better series with excellent actors, good writing, etc. This spawned DS9 which changed the formula...went to station base instead of space, had excellent actors, writing etc but was not as successful. In Voyager they returned to the more tried and true formula but put the ship in a sector of space not familiar to the audience. It did fairly well though could have been better I believe if we'd had a different actress for Janeway. The main problem with Voyager is that it was hard to explain how the ship seemed always in perfect shape, despite the fact it had no resupply, I mean they mention it now and then but never stops Janeway from using torpedoes etc, Enterprise returns us to the past a more familiar area of space, good writing, excellent actors, back to exploration and acting with some controls from what will become Starfleet.

I do believe the SyFy channel like History, TLC, Discovery, MTV, VH1 etc has probably seen its best days behind it. Shame really we could use a good science fiction show. Wouldn't be bad to see one based on the EVE Universe, based in the past explaining perhaps how the Empires arose and how they met. Concentrating on the war, subjugation of the Minmatar, etc. (Though once you have such a show to add to the canon material you'd need to closely watch the writing etc to be sure they didn't mess anything up)

Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
Posted - 2010.12.19 09:41:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: El'Niaga
stuff


Scifi/fantasy doesn't really take that much longer to build up. The makers just feel the need to waste huge amounts of time doing that. You can tell the viewers everything relevant in a pilot episode at max and the rest comes naturally with the normal stories. The biggest mistake you can possible make is start putting the story on hold in an effort to explain things to the audience. A fantastic world should be treated like a trip to a foreign country. There are a few oddities that pop up, but the visitor(audience) doesn't need to know all that much to still keep up and you certainly don't need to explain those oddities to the viewer.

Think starwars episode 4 here. There is no need to explain things to the audience. The first scene tells it all. There is war, the sides aren't evenly matched and the other side is ruthlessly evil. One carefully crafted entertaining scene and you know everything you really need to know. All the finer details are learned when one of the protagonists, the simple outsider farm boy, learns them too.

As for STA and STU, they just weren't particularly entertaining. They were weak repeats of previous plots with a change of scenery. SGU didn't even have a plot as far as I followed it. I imagine the thought went something like this: "Hey let's put a group of people in a strange situation, stranded from the rest of humanity and have them solve a new problem each episode. No one has done this already and certainly not better than us." Problem being just putting people in a unusual setting doesn't make for an entertaining show and BSG and Lost were both much better at this. I haven't watched Caprica and don't know what it is even supposed to be about, so I can't really comment on it.

As for ST. The original series was good and you can still watch the episodes today. TNG was good too(less so in the first season), with nice stories and good actors. I agree partly on DS9, but it only got good after the first season and IIRC closer to the third. That is a huge amount of episodes practically wasted before thing became interesting. I love DS9, but I can't watch through the early seasons, because they are so boring and uninteresting. No doubt this caused many other people to lose interest in the series too.

I'm calling BS on your voyager and enterprise analysis though. Both series were just horribly bad in almost every area and fight for the title of the worst ST series ever made. Personally I blame the incompetent writers for most of the series problems. Voyager doesn't even at times make any sense(internal logic of the ST universe) and has horrible characters you wish would die in every episode(Neelix I'm looking at you, but really the doctor was the only good one.). The setting was a problem in the sense, that they removed most of the interesting parts from the series that people had grown to love, but didn't have anything to replace it with. It got so bad, that they were finally forced to fell back to using the borg in season 3 because all their original ideas were failures. It was a god awful piece of trash most of the time, with a few good episodes mixed in.

Enterprise had potential, but it is pretty bad too. The crew is incompetent and certainly far from the material you would expect the from such a prominent starship. Most of the episodes aren't that well done or written and some are repeats of old episodes from previous ST series. The temporal cold war plot is a horrible mess, that doesn't make sense. It almost seems like they were just mkaing things up on the spot and cramming it in without thinking it through. Again it didn't start of as horrible, but it was boring most of the time and got bad later and better again at the end, but at that point people had abandoned it.

Karma
Vortex Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.19 12:38:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Karma on 19/12/2010 12:39:26
Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
I also remember a time long ago when MTV used to be all about music and show music videos instead of crappy reality shows.


guaranteed to make you feel old:
For the young today, MTV has always existed.


as for SG:U ... it's crap compared to SG-1. heck, it's even crap compared to Atlantis, and that's saying something.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2010.12.19 17:30:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Karma


as for SG:U ... it's crap compared to SG-1. heck, it's even crap compared to Atlantis, and that's saying something.


I liked Atlantis. It wasn't as good as SG-1 of course but i think it deserved the standard 7 seasons.

Nomen Luni
Posted - 2010.12.21 16:57:00 - [44]
 

I used to like this channel because they aired the original 'lost in space' series , but that long gone now..

Tyber Zaan
Posted - 2010.12.21 17:47:00 - [45]
 

What I love about SyFy is that they make the most laughably bad movies ever.

I watch them for the lulz.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.21 17:53:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Tyber Zaan
What I love about SyFy is that they make the most laughably bad movies ever.

I watch them for the lulz.


Very Happy

Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.21 18:14:00 - [47]
 

lol I think the rebrand to "SyFy" says it all.

Pack of tools.


Master Gotama
Posted - 2010.12.21 20:06:00 - [48]
 

Stargate:BSG, i.e. Gray's Anatomy in space, will not be missed.

It is a sad state of affairs for Sci-fi TV in general. Maybe one day CCP will man-up and procude an EVE series, god knows, there's a market for one. Woudn't even mind if it was all CGI.

Sazkyen
Posted - 2010.12.21 20:19:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
AND NOTHING OF VALUE WAS LOST


QFT

The first season was a total and utter piece of crappage. Stillwater FTW.

I liked SG1, SGA and there were a FEW nice episodes on SGU but it wasn't even nearly as good as SG1 and SGA ever were.

Unfortunately.


Boonaki
Caldari
Focused Annihilation
Detrimental Imperative
Posted - 2010.12.21 22:46:00 - [50]
 

I will never watch syfy again. WWF is a dumb ass move on their part. I don't know what these execs are thinking about.

Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
Posted - 2010.12.21 22:48:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Verone
lol I think the rebrand to "SyFy" says it all.

Pack of tools.




It's a two stage makeover to SyFy Diaz, a channel that will only air light comedy with a hispanic flavor and of course the Phantom Menace as they got the rights to that stinkfest thrown at them. Jar Jar Binks will be rolling down the barrio in his lowrider solving crime and dropping annoying oneliners.

Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2010.12.21 23:10:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Boonaki
I will never watch syfy again. WWF is a dumb ass move on their part. I don't know what these execs are thinking about.


hint: it's green and paperlike Wink

the WWF on syfy evidently gets double the ratings of their regular shows while adding extra viewers to their other friday night programming (ie, sanctuary). Come for the wrestling, stay for the [low-budget] original programming and SPOOKY GHOSTS!

Reiisha
Veto Corp
Posted - 2010.12.21 23:11:00 - [53]
 

I do wonder whether the people hating on SGU have managed to get into season 2. Season 1 was rather horrible, with a few exceptions, but season 2 picked it up rather dramatically... good.

Especially once, as i said before, the conflict between the two 'leaders' ended and Destiny's mission was revealed. I really want to know more about the race that created that solar system, and the source of that cosmic signal... That's not exactly BSG anymore is it.

For that matter, SGU never had the faith vs science thing going on. While it had elements of tempting faith it never succumbed to it. It had the shaky cam, close-ups, ship of humans far away from 'home'... The background was entirely different, admittedly it only really came into play in 1 season 1 episode and season 2.

Ugh. I love the Destiny. But i love Ancient lore anyway. Flying through a star never gets old.

Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2010.12.21 23:21:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: Grek Forto on 21/12/2010 23:25:58
I'm just gonna leave this here. Also, good riddance.

I would trade two seasons of SGU for a single episode of Firefly! Mad

Clone 1
Posted - 2010.12.22 00:06:00 - [55]
 

Didn't SG1 have a joke episode where they replaced the cast with a younger ones.. That's the way I felt about SGU. It was too slow, too much drama for not enough gain in story.

Rush was a cool character, but... ah the drama.

Also, a big new BSG fan, I bought the br boxset and liked it all save the last 10mins of the series finale.

But Caprica as said above, just lost me, I tried to watch it, but failed.

Anyway I dont have much hope for new scifi series.
Money is too easy with reality crap, x ****ing factor, and ****e to warrant the networks spending big money per episode scifi with limited audiences..

Back to books I think.


Grek Forto
Crosshair Corp
Posted - 2010.12.22 00:13:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Clone 1
Didn't SG1 have a joke episode where they replaced the cast with a younger ones..


Indeed they had. And they also said in that episode that the logo at the start of each series would just *boom*, appear and then fade out. It was like predicting the future.

Miriam Letisse
Posted - 2010.12.22 01:20:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Grek Forto


Indeed they had. And they also said in that episode that the logo at the start of each series would just *boom*, appear and then fade out. It was like predicting the future.


I thought that was parodying the past? I heard that SG1 had a really short title screen for one or two season before season 10 but the fans whined so much that Sci-Fi changed it back to the long version.

dtyk
Posted - 2010.12.22 01:26:00 - [58]
 

Hint: If the channel name sounds more like a STD than what the people who picked the name wanted it to sound like, SOMETHING IS HORRIBLY WRONG.


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