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Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:32:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Bawbawrabblebaw.


your missing the point.

If its a free gift given by a player to other players, then yea, he can pick and choose who he gives what to and who benefits to what extent. But in this instance, the Devs/GMs have given a free gift to everyone in Eve, but a gift which does not have the same value to everyone.


No I'm not missing the point. I can see what happened, I have even said it happened to me - I have 1 remap, when in fact I was going to get a remap anyway. My point is "bawbawbaw." I honestly could not care if the devs gave half the population 10 remaps and told the other half "you don't get this gift because you were naughty this christmas" not only would it be insanely funny but who cares? Seriously, so some guy in venal will train command ships faster than someone else in Syndicate, yet slower than some dude in Black Rise training HACs .. Oh me oh my I hope I don't meet that particular character out of the hundreds of thousands of characters in EVE because their minor skillpoint advantage in 1 area is going to cause them to win every fight I ever have with them! OH wait.

dickbott
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:37:00 - [212]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Bawbawrabblebaw.


your missing the point.

If its a free gift given by a player to other players, then yea, he can pick and choose who he gives what to and who benefits to what extent. But in this instance, the Devs/GMs have given a free gift to everyone in Eve, but a gift which does not have the same value to everyone.


No I'm not missing the point. I can see what happened, I have even said it happened to me - I have 1 remap, when in fact I was going to get a remap anyway. My point is "bawbawbaw." I honestly could not care if the devs gave half the population 10 remaps and told the other half "you don't get this gift because you were naughty this christmas" not only would it be insanely funny but who cares? Seriously, so some guy in venal will train command ships faster than someone else in Syndicate, yet slower than some dude in Black Rise training HACs .. Oh me oh my I hope I don't meet that particular character out of the hundreds of thousands of characters in EVE because their minor skillpoint advantage in 1 area is going to cause them to win every fight I ever have with them! OH wait.


Thats fine, you don't care that you are getting shafted, good for you.

Now **** off, this topic is for people who DO care that others are getting an unfair advantage.

Claire Voyant
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:39:00 - [213]
 

OK, I think I've finally figured this out (from a logical/programming standpoint, not concerned with the fairness of it atm.) Before DT on 15 Dec, each character could have been in one of three possible states:

Group A. Remap timer activated within a year - No remap available
Group B. Remap timer activated more than a year ago - Remap available
Group C. Remap timer never activated - 1 or 2 remaps available

NOTE: The timer was never activated if you never used your last remap that you started with, i.e. if you were born with 2 and used 1, you will be in group C.

After DT on Dec 16 your character should have the following remaps available:
Group A. 1 remap available
Group B. 2 remaps available
Group C. 3 remaps available

The following characters would seem to have gotten a bonus remap:
Group 1. Older characters that never remapped, had one available before and now have 3.
Group 2. Newer characters that only used one of their 2 remaps and had one available, but now have 3.
Group 3. Anyone who remapped between DT on 15 Dec and DT on 16 Dec would appear to have gotten an extra remap. (This may include characters in group 1 and 2 so they may have gotten 2 extra free remaps for being in both groups.)

Corrections welcomed. Thanks to Cmd. Phoenix and Mia Restolo for helping me figure out "Group 2"

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:40:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
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noooooo, you still havent got it.

If a free gift is given out by GMs/Devs and it us not the exact same free gift to everyone, then you are treading a real fine line between fairness and favouritism. Once you allow GMs/Devs to in effect 'help' a cetain amount of the playerbase, then the sandbox suddenly becomes hugely unfair.


So Cash
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:40:00 - [215]
 

Edited by: So Cash on 16/12/2010 16:41:36
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Bawbawrabblebaw.


your missing the point.

If its a free gift given by a player to other players, then yea, he can pick and choose who he gives what to and who benefits to what extent. But in this instance, the Devs/GMs have given a free gift to everyone in Eve, but a gift which does not have the same value to everyone.


No I'm not missing the point. I can see what happened, I have even said it happened to me - I have 1 remap, when in fact I was going to get a remap anyway. My point is "bawbawbaw." I honestly could not care if the devs gave half the population 10 remaps and told the other half "you don't get this gift because you were naughty this christmas" not only would it be insanely funny but who cares? Seriously, so some guy in venal will train command ships faster than someone else in Syndicate, yet slower than some dude in Black Rise training HACs .. Oh me oh my I hope I don't meet that particular character out of the hundreds of thousands of characters in EVE because their minor skillpoint advantage in 1 area is going to cause them to win every fight I ever have with them! OH wait.


"Who cares?"

I ****ing care, skill points on this game are specifically in this game to stop people grinding their way to the top. These attributes are introduced so everyone realistically has the opportunity to generate SP at the same rate as everyone else.

I think all the community would care if random people were given the ability to train 2/3x faster than everyone else.

Saying you wouldn't care if someone got 10 remaps really shows you have no place here.

Total SP = Subscription fee length x (SP/Hour +- remap attributes)

I am paying the same sub as everyone else, why should some of the community have a huge boost to the maximum amount of SP they can gain than anyone else?

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
.....



noooooo, you still havent got it.

If a free gift is given out by GMs/Devs and it us not the exact same free gift to everyone, then you are treading a real fine line between fairness and favouritism. Once you allow GMs/Devs to in effect 'help' a cetain amount of the playerbase, then the sandbox suddenly becomes hugely unfair.




I wonder how many CCP player characters remapped before the update knowing it was coming up and that they could train specific skill sets and remap again on the 15th.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:44:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
.....



noooooo, you still havent got it.

If a free gift is given out by GMs/Devs and it us not the exact same free gift to everyone, then you are treading a real fine line between fairness and favouritism. Once you allow GMs/Devs to in effect 'help' a cetain amount of the playerbase, then the sandbox suddenly becomes hugely unfair.




And its also just a matter of them being rude. They have unlimmited remaps. They have an alternative where the benefit would be equal to all players.

An active decision to not take the alternative to treat players equally is a fault and a commitment to a poor ideal. Pretending to not see the issue and obfiscate it with red herrings is an insult on top of the error.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:45:00 - [217]
 

Originally by: ****bott
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Karia Sur
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Bawbawrabblebaw.


your missing the point.

If its a free gift given by a player to other players, then yea, he can pick and choose who he gives what to and who benefits to what extent. But in this instance, the Devs/GMs have given a free gift to everyone in Eve, but a gift which does not have the same value to everyone.


No I'm not missing the point. I can see what happened, I have even said it happened to me - I have 1 remap, when in fact I was going to get a remap anyway. My point is "bawbawbaw." I honestly could not care if the devs gave half the population 10 remaps and told the other half "you don't get this gift because you were naughty this christmas" not only would it be insanely funny but who cares? Seriously, so some guy in venal will train command ships faster than someone else in Syndicate, yet slower than some dude in Black Rise training HACs .. Oh me oh my I hope I don't meet that particular character out of the hundreds of thousands of characters in EVE because their minor skillpoint advantage in 1 area is going to cause them to win every fight I ever have with them! OH wait.


Thats fine, you don't care that you are getting shafted, good for you.

Now **** off, this topic is for people who DO care that others are getting an unfair advantage.


No, this topic isn't only for those that agree with the position, it is in "general discussion" of a public forum for anyone to post even if they disagree. I disagree, deal with it troll.

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:46:00 - [218]
 

Likely at all to see a GM/Dev post again any time soon?

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:47:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Claire Voyant
OK, I think I've finally figured this out (from a logical/programming standpoint, not concerned with the fairness of it atm.) Before DT on 15 Dec, each character could have been in one of three possible states:

Group A. Remap timer activated within a year - No remap available
Group B. Remap timer activated more than a year ago - Remap available
Group C. Remap timer never activated - 1 or 2 remaps available

NOTE: The timer was never activated if you never used your last remap that you started with, i.e. if you were born with 2 and used 1, you will be in group C.

After DT on Dec 16 your character should have the following remaps available:
Group A. 1 remap available
Group B. 2 remaps available
Group C. 3 remaps available

The following characters would seem to have gotten a bonus remap:
Group 1. Older characters that never remapped, had one available before and now have 3.
Group 2. Newer characters that only used one of their 2 remaps and had one available, but now have 3.
Group 3. Anyone who remapped between DT on 15 Dec and DT on 16 Dec would appear to have gotten an extra remap. (This may include characters in group 1 and 2 so they may have gotten 2 extra free remaps for being in both groups.)

Corrections welcomed. Thanks to Cmd. Phoenix and Mia Restolo for helping me figure out "Group 2"


Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:48:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Captain Mastiff
Edited by: Captain Mastiff on 16/12/2010 16:16:44
Originally by: Riedle

They changed the learning skills and reset the cool down timer on the remaps for people who may have been speced for learning skills that are no longer there.

That's why they did it. It wasn't just to give out free remaps.

suck it up.


So the fix to balance is to only give a remap to those who had a timer...

Not give those who already one stacked up and waiting another bonus of being able to remap twice without waiting a year.

The big thing is we have to wait a year for our 2nd remap, they have it whenever. A year is a lot of SP when you wanted to do something like leadership based skills. I would be learning 50% less than if I picked my standard skill path.

HTFU? No, fix the problem.


Nah, fix other problems and finish other things in the game that will make it better than to waste time doing this change for people that are whining about it.

HTFU.

really, it's all you need to do.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:49:00 - [221]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123


No, this topic isn't only for those that agree with the position, it is in "general discussion" of a public forum for anyone to post even if they disagree. I disagree, deal with it troll.


You should really refrain from posting though as you really do appear to be a complete idiot.

As soon as you claimed you wouldn't care if someone else had 10 remaps and would find it funny you lost all credibility.

You don't disagree with it either, the way you posted previously shows support for the update, which means you agree with it.

Dude, at least attempt to know what you're talking about before posting.

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:53:00 - [222]
 

Edited by: Dawne Xi on 16/12/2010 17:03:01
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Perhaps it is important to re-iterate on this:

The reason people who already had an implicit respec (after waiting for a year or more) got TWO is because if they'd only gotten ONE they would actually have gotten ZERO.


Even with your explanation below, this makes no sense to me, and I've been reading through this thread for the past 2 hours trying to make sense of the statement above.

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Explanation:
They'd already earned ONE through waiting. This is an indisputable fact.


Ok I understand this part.

Originally by: CCP Prism X
The reason they get TWO is because when they remap, they lose ONE free respec and the timer is UPDATED. If they had been set to ONE free respec that would leave them at ZERO and with a refreshed timestamp. That's ONE respec they can do after having earned one through waiting and getting another one from us.


Yeah this is where you lose me. Let me tell you what this means to me

"The reason they get TWO (and now have a total of THREE) is because when they remap, they lose ONE free respec (and now have TWO left) and the timer is UPDATED. If they had been set to ONE free respec (Wait they had one, and you're saying if they had been set to one? Or are you saying if you had ADDED only ONE to their total, bringing them to TWO now?) that would leave them at ZERO (Huh? *see my previous confusion*) and with a refreshed timestamp. That's ONE respec they can do after having earned one through waiting, and getting another from us. (But if they had one and you gave them one, wouldn't that mean they would have two? You lost me here)"

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Those that had not earned anything have their free respec. You can chose to use it whenever you want but when you gain a new one through waiting it's not going to increment that numbers. You cannot hoard free respecs by design.


So those of us who did remap in the last year, and had a timer running, have had that timer reset, so the system now thinks we remapped a year ago and the system has made the remap available. This I understand, and don't see how giving someone who had an available remap, a second remap would have been any different, but instead you gave them two and us one, for reasons I cannot understand.

Originally by: CCP Prism X
Again: If you had no respecs you were, effectively, reset a year back giving you a respec.


Ok I get this.

Originally by: CCP Prism X
If you were already a year back resetting you a year back would give you nothing.
Please bear in mind that waiting for two years does not grant you two respecs. They do not accrue!


So you're saying giving them +1 remap, for a total of TWO would have in effect, been like giving them NOTHING? See this is where you totally lose me.

Could you please give us some examples using characters and stuff... Maybe with pictures (I'm not being sarcastic, I am really really trying to understand this).

Because I have two characters who remapped recently, and can now remap again, great, but this doesn't help me at all since my plans were for a year or more anyway. And then someone who had not remapped, can now remap 3 times, then wait a year from that final remap, because if you had allowed them to remap only twice (instead of once), and then wait a year from that final remap, that would have been giving them nothing?

EDIT: My two characters, created in 2006 were reset so they have an available remap. A friend of mine, also created in 2006, who has never remapped has 3 remaps available.. So this was not a case of "They already had 2 remaps because all new characters start with two remaps."

Arela Xen
Gallente
Evoke.
Ev0ke
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:55:00 - [223]
 

same problem here, fix please

Claire Voyant
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:56:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Miss Pristine
Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.

Please take a look at the character described in this post and tell me if you see any differences compared to your character.

Fkn Arson
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:58:00 - [225]
 

My characters get to remap halfway into their previous remap, thanks CCP!

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:59:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Dawne Xi
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Perhaps it is important to re-iterate on thi I am really really trying to understand this).

Because I have two characters who remapped recently, and can now remap again, great, but this doesn't help me at all since my plans were for a year or more anyway. And then someone who had not remapped, can now remap 3 times, then wait a year from that final remap, because if you had allowed them to remap only twice (instead of once), and then wait a year from that final remap, that would have been giving them nothing?


If you have 3 maps, you can remap 3 x and then after the 3rd remap you have to wait 1 entire year until a remap point is given to you.

So if I have 2, I can remap now and tomorrow if I wanted to but I would then have to wait a year until another one is available to me. You can use remap points whenever but when you have no remap points you have to wait a year until the next one.

The issue here is people who had remapped and been waiting the year have been given a remap point and their year wait is reset... great! Though some people only had a matter of hours till it finished... nevermind but oh wait...

Some people who had their year wait finish before the update had a remap point and have been awarded a free gift remap. They now have 2? They can use 2 remaps and then wait a year.

So the person who had been waiting for a year but had their date reset and now have 1 only have one and have only really been boosted a month or so. Where as the 2nd lot of people have in effect been giving an advatange of an entire year as they have 2 remaps.

The 3rd lot of people who have 3 maps is purely because when you create a character you have 2 remaps available, then they never used them and were awarded a free one. They now have 3.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:59:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Miss Pristine
Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.

Please take a look at the character described in this post and tell me if you see any differences compared to your character.


Yeah I see it fits with that person, but In my case I was bumped up to 2 remaps not 3. In almost the exact same senario.

Pesets
The Hunt Club
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:00:00 - [228]
 

Edited by: Pesets on 16/12/2010 17:06:50
Originally by: Keira Matrix
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Not perfect, perhaps not just and I'll leave that up for philosophical debate but certainly gave everyone the possibility of respeccing now.


Very true, and more than what a lot of us was expecting. I for one saw no reason in the first place to hand out a remap. So it was a bonus, maybe not an equal bonus but a bonus anyway.


No. If it's a random bonus to some but not others, then it's worse than no bonus at all, because it basically gives some players unfair advantage over others.

Even worse is that nothing has been said about this up until the patch. If this was a part of the test on Singularity, people would have pointed out the problem and steps could be taken. Instead, they've already made a mess on live server, and apparently aren't going to do anything to fix it. "Yea guys, we essentially screwed over some of you, but it's the best we could do in the limited time we had, and it was implemented as designed so HTFU and suck it up".

P.S. I am grateful to Prism X for clearing up what the situation is, but i still disagree that's a good position for CCP to take in this situation.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:01:00 - [229]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


No, this topic isn't only for those that agree with the position, it is in "general discussion" of a public forum for anyone to post even if they disagree. I disagree, deal with it troll.


You should really refrain from posting though as you really do appear to be a complete idiot.

As soon as you claimed you wouldn't care if someone else had 10 remaps and would find it funny you lost all credibility.

You don't disagree with it either, the way you posted previously shows support for the update, which means you agree with it.

Dude, at least attempt to know what you're talking about before posting.


Imbecile, I disagree with the position of the thread, I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this" So don't try put moronic words into my mouth before YOU understand what I have said. YES I support the update that CCP applied, even though I have not gained personally from it, because I do not LOSE anything either. and as for losing credibility I don't care because I was serious - if you were given ten remaps right now I would not give a rats ass because it has NO effect on me whatsoever. Is it 'unfair' yes but do I care, no.

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:02:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Dawne Xi
Originally by: CCP Prism X
Perhaps it is important to re-iterate on thi I am really really trying to understand this).

Because I have two characters who remapped recently, and can now remap again, great, but this doesn't help me at all since my plans were for a year or more anyway. And then someone who had not remapped, can now remap 3 times, then wait a year from that final remap, because if you had allowed them to remap only twice (instead of once), and then wait a year from that final remap, that would have been giving them nothing?


If you have 3 maps, you can remap 3 x and then after the 3rd remap you have to wait 1 entire year until a remap point is given to you.

So if I have 2, I can remap now and tomorrow if I wanted to but I would then have to wait a year until another one is available to me. You can use remap points whenever but when you have no remap points you have to wait a year until the next one.

The issue here is people who had remapped and been waiting the year have been given a remap point and their year wait is reset... great! Though some people only had a matter of hours till it finished... nevermind but oh wait...

Some people who had their year wait finish before the update had a remap point and have been awarded a free gift remap. They now have 2? They can use 2 remaps and then wait a year.

So the person who had been waiting for a year but had their date reset and now have 1 only have one and have only really been boosted a month or so. Where as the 2nd lot of people have in effect been giving an advatange of an entire year as they have 2 remaps.

The 3rd lot of people who have 3 maps is purely because when you create a character you have 2 remaps available, then they never used them and were awarded a free one. They now have 3.


Almost, people who never used a remap at all... even the old characters that did not start with any.. were bumped to 3.

Dawne Xi
Minmatar
3D Salvage and Acquisitions
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:04:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
The 3rd lot of people who have 3 maps is purely because when you create a character you have 2 remaps available, then they never used them and were awarded a free one. They now have 3.


No, and I edited my post to clarify this. A friend of mine is a 2006 character, who has never remapped, and now has 3 remaps available.

Namira Incendie
Minmatar
Valor Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:06:00 - [232]
 

So If I use a remap and then wait 2 years will I have 2 remaps?

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:07:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


No, this topic isn't only for those that agree with the position, it is in "general discussion" of a public forum for anyone to post even if they disagree. I disagree, deal with it troll.


You should really refrain from posting though as you really do appear to be a complete idiot.

As soon as you claimed you wouldn't care if someone else had 10 remaps and would find it funny you lost all credibility.

You don't disagree with it either, the way you posted previously shows support for the update, which means you agree with it.

Dude, at least attempt to know what you're talking about before posting.


Imbecile, I disagree with the position of the thread, I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this" So don't try put moronic words into my mouth before YOU understand what I have said. YES I support the update that CCP applied, even though I have not gained personally from it, because I do not LOSE anything either. and as for losing credibility I don't care because I was serious - if you were given ten remaps right now I would not give a rats ass because it has NO effect on me whatsoever. Is it 'unfair' yes but do I care, no.


Imbecile

The thread is titled "Free remap GM response please"

You disagree? So you don't want any? Or are you disagreeing with the position of the thread which is talking about Everyone gets one free remap thats it. You disagree to that...

Hmm...

Miss Pristine
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:08:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Namira Incendie
So If I use a remap and then wait 2 years will I have 2 remaps?


No, the Dev above said they will never stack... Unless given free.

Karia Sur
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:09:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Is it 'unfair' yes but do I care, no.


The let us who 'do' care, moan, and those who do 'not' care, go troll another thread.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:11:00 - [236]
 

Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Amberlamps
Originally by: Caldariftw123


No, this topic isn't only for those that agree with the position, it is in "general discussion" of a public forum for anyone to post even if they disagree. I disagree, deal with it troll.


You should really refrain from posting though as you really do appear to be a complete idiot.

As soon as you claimed you wouldn't care if someone else had 10 remaps and would find it funny you lost all credibility.

You don't disagree with it either, the way you posted previously shows support for the update, which means you agree with it.

Dude, at least attempt to know what you're talking about before posting.


Imbecile, I disagree with the position of the thread, I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this" So don't try put moronic words into my mouth before YOU understand what I have said. YES I support the update that CCP applied, even though I have not gained personally from it, because I do not LOSE anything either. and as for losing credibility I don't care because I was serious - if you were given ten remaps right now I would not give a rats ass because it has NO effect on me whatsoever. Is it 'unfair' yes but do I care, no.


Imbecile

The thread is titled "Free remap GM response please"

You disagree? So you don't want any? Or are you disagreeing with the position of the thread which is talking about Everyone gets one free remap thats it. You disagree to that...

Hmm...


Quoting what I said, because it answers what you are saying already, mr imbecile troll:

I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this"

Had you actually read what I have said previously like you claim you will see that I have argued this is not a big issue at all, it is something CCP don't need to fix, and then someone told me I should "gtfo it's for people that wish to complain" where I said no, it's not, and that I can disagree with people in this thread if I wish. Mr imbecile troll please stop trying to tell me what I have said because I clearly know what I said, you however do not appear to.

Captain Mastiff
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:12:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Namira Incendie
So If I use a remap and then wait 2 years will I have 2 remaps?


Nope

Only once you have 0 remaps remaining does the 365 day counter begin. Once that is completed you are awarded one remap, until that remap is utilised the counter for another 365 days won't start.

Ideally for optimise SP/Hour/Year it's best to have your plan, planned in advance to the remap.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:15:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: Amberlamps on 16/12/2010 17:15:09
Originally by: Caldariftw123


Quoting what I said, because it answers what you are saying already, mr imbecile troll:

I disagree that this is a) not a whining bawbaw thread and b) that CCP should "fix this"

Had you actually read what I have said previously like you claim you will see that I have argued this is not a big issue at all, it is something CCP don't need to fix, and then someone told me I should "gtfo it's for people that wish to complain" where I said no, it's not, and that I can disagree with people in this thread if I wish. Mr imbecile troll please stop trying to tell me what I have said because I clearly know what I said, you however do not appear to.


I don't read anything you say actually to be honest, Not after you saying you wouldn't be bothered about 10 remaps being rewarded to other players for nothign.

You truly lost all credibility to argue or even put your point across on this topic after that.

Commander Phoenix
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:16:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Claire Voyant
Originally by: Miss Pristine
Your conclusion for group 2 is wrong. The other character on this account started after the remap implementation. I used 1 remap and had one left over. Now I have 2, not 3.

Please take a look at the character described in this post and tell me if you see any differences compared to your character.


I also have another character who was created on 2010.01.10

Had used 1 of the 2 available remaps and didn't use the other one. He has now got 2 remaps, not 3 like my other character.

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.16 17:17:00 - [240]
 

CCP slap theyre ugly kids faces with 1M sp and send them FO once and for all Evil or Very Mad



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