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Lex Lacey
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:07:00 - [1]
 

What exactly does that mean if it says that I have 3 remaps available, if I use one, will I then have to wait another year?

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:08:00 - [2]
 

no - you can use 3 before having to wait 12mnths for the 4th

PureMurder
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:27:00 - [3]
 

another question, let's say you have 2 remaps available, if you use one and wait a year, will you get 2 maps again, or will you still be left with only 1?

i.e. do these things accumulate at any rate if you have them, or do you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps?

Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:34:00 - [4]
 

You can use them as you wish.

Once you use the last one, you start the 1-year countdown.

Darrigaaz
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:41:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: PureMurder
you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps


This.

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:48:00 - [6]
 

I have a question about this free remap. My next remap would have been available in April, If i use this 'free' one now, will i have to wait until next December or will i still receive the one in April?

PureMurder
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:14:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Darrigaaz
Originally by: PureMurder
you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps


This.


tyty hijack ftw :)

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:19:00 - [8]
 

Quite odd on the remaps. When they first came out all existing characters got 1 remap and new ones got 2. Now all my characters that I had before remaps went from 1 to 3 remaps, as I've never used a remap on an existing character, only new ones.


Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: PureMurder
Originally by: Darrigaaz
Originally by: PureMurder
you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps


This.


tyty hijack ftw :)


Ok fair enough. I fail to see how this is a "free" remap then if i have to wait another year for another one.

whatever I guess. Next time they should call it "early" remap instead of "free" since your not gaining anything.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:44:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Anxiir
Originally by: PureMurder
Originally by: Darrigaaz
Originally by: PureMurder
you have to have none in order to start accumulating remaps


This.


tyty hijack ftw :)


Ok fair enough. I fail to see how this is a "free" remap then if i have to wait another year for another one.

whatever I guess. Next time they should call it "early" remap instead of "free" since your not gaining anything.


FAIL

You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:11:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Anxiir on 15/12/2010 18:15:24
Quote:


FAIL

You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways


Nope. i just petitioned it. And confirming that nope, you wont.

Quote:
Hi there,

If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now.

Sincerely,
GM Syndemic
EVE Online Customer Support


I send a message back for come clarification on this, as he didnt actually answer my question

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:16:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Anxiir
Quote:


FAIL

You will get another remap in April as you would have anyways


Nope. i just petitioned it. And confirming that nope, you wont.

Quote:
Hi there,

If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now.

Sincerely,
GM Syndemic
EVE Online Customer Support



Hmm.. well that isn't exactly clear that you will lose the one that you are due in April but I am willing to entertain the possibility that that is the case.

If it is the case then I owe you an apology and I will be waiting until May to use mine as then I will have two and CAN use the extra remap within 12 months.

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:41:00 - [13]
 

Hmm.. well that isn't exactly clear that you will lose the one that you are due in April but I am willing to entertain the possibility that that is the case.

If it is the case then I owe you an apology and I will be waiting until May to use mine as then I will have two and CAN use the extra remap within 12 months.


Do you realize it doesn't work like that? It goes from 12 months from your final remap. So if you have 1 left, you will have to wait a year from when you use that last 1. You don't receive 1 per year if you already have one available. Figured that one out the hard way.

Kargyraa
Posted - 2010.12.15 18:54:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Kargyraa on 15/12/2010 18:54:52
Originally by: Anxiir
Edited by: Anxiir on 15/12/2010 18:15:24
Quote:
Hi there,

If you were not planning on using one, then it wouldn't really be of much benefit. But due to the attributes being rebalanced, we felt it necessary to give all players one free remap. Thus, rather than having to wait until next April, you can use it now.

Sincerely,
GM Syndemic
EVE Online Customer Support




Well I didn't get a free remap so I guess they don't mean all characters. I just used my last remap about a week (or two) ago so I'm not to worried. And yes you have to wait a year from the moment you use your last one.

*edit* My alt did have 3 remaps, well down to 2 now. (:

Maximillian Dragonard
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:03:00 - [15]
 

Personally, I'm due for a remap in 4-5 months, so will keep my freebie remap until then. After getting my new remap in April/May, I'll use one, leaving one available in case I need a change in less than another yearCool

Ashina Sito
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2010.12.15 20:33:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Originally by: Vespoi Filar
Previous to the 1.0.1 release I had a remap already available and unused.

Does the Free Remap in 1.0.1 mean I now have 2? Or just the one that I hadn't used yet?


Yes. If you had no remaps available we have given you a free remap so you now have one. If you had one available you will now have two.

Please check the original post in this thread as there have been some issues with the free neural remap which will be fixed during downtime tomorrow.

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:13:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Anxiir on 15/12/2010 21:22:32
Originally by: Maximillian Dragonard
Personally, I'm due for a remap in 4-5 months, so will keep my freebie remap until then. After getting my new remap in April/May, I'll use one, leaving one available in case I need a change in less than another yearCool


Heh. Like i just said. It doesn't work like that. lets say you have 2 remaps. If you use one now, you will have 1 left. Thats easy to understand. Now if you dont use your last one, next year at this time you WILL NOT get another one - because you still have one left. The timer starts after you use your last remap. If your due for remap in april and you use the free one now, you will have to wait until next december for the next - assuming the free remap is now your last one.

Devro III
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:01:00 - [18]
 

I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bugEvil or Very Mad

Transient Drifter
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:15:00 - [19]
 

oooh so we did get a free remap with this patch?

i was curious about that...

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 22:42:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Devro III
I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bugEvil or Very Mad


Ya exactly. I sure hope im wrong, but its not looking good. still waiting on a GM to clarify this.

Kargyraa
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:22:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Devro III
I don't know... This remap seems to have screwed me out of my up coming one. I hope to hell this is just another bugEvil or Very Mad


You have not been screwed out of anything. You have been given your remap 4 months early to allow you to change your attributes now to reflect the learning skill change. But your cooldown for another year until your next remap will start until you decided to use your last one.

You only get UP TO one remap per year depending on when you choose to use your last remap. So if you had 0 remaps (remaping is on cooldown), the cooldown was taken away and you should have 1 now. If you had 1 you now have 2, if you have 2 you now have 3 (as spider man says, everyone gets one).

The catch is the cooldown on remaping doesn't start until you use your last one, if you never use your last remap, the cooldown will not start and you will not just get another one in a year.

For example if a new charter was started 4 years ago and never used a single remap they would now have 3 -- note this is less than one per year plus the bonus remap as our christmas present (which would have been 5). Characters who regurally use their remap when its avaialbe will always have had more remaps in their lifetime than characters who let them pool (since the only way to increase the pool is via a rare and unlikly bonus like this year).

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:29:00 - [22]
 

thats exactly the point im trying to make. if your cooldown was to be up soon, say dec 20. you dont actually get a free remap. you only get 5 day sooner remap.

So unless you recently used your last remap, or already have 1 or more to use, the "free" remap is not free at all.

Loreth Algamore
Posted - 2010.12.16 01:21:00 - [23]
 

Still better than not getting one. 5 days sooner > nothing.

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.16 02:41:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Loreth Algamore
Still better than not getting one. 5 days sooner > nothing.


I fail to see how its better than nothing. because it is nothing. Basically if you didn't have a remap available already, you don't get a free remap.

Still waiting on a GM response though. Maybe will get lucky and the 'free' remap will stack with the upcoming one.

Ebisou
Origin.
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:47:00 - [25]
 

Both my chars have been available to remap for the last few months. I only see one remap, if i'm getting an additional where would I see that?

Baneken
Gallente
The New Knighthood
Apocalypse Now.
Posted - 2010.12.16 05:09:00 - [26]
 

Some one has missed the part where they stated that not all ahve had their 1 free map and will be getting a one in todays DT ? Wink

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.16 15:25:00 - [27]
 

This is starting to get funny. 2 petitions later and I keep getting a generic response that doesn't answer my question lol.

Even if we don't get a free remap, I like that the learning skills were removed and the SP reimbursed. I don't mean to make such a big stink about the remap but I just want answers to the question I am asking.

Chuc Morris
Posted - 2010.12.16 15:44:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Chuc Morris on 16/12/2010 15:45:24
If you use your last/free remap now then the count down starts from now.

"my next one was in april" - not any more if you use your free remap now

"so if i use the free remap now will i get another one in april, date of my old remap?"
No, if you use your free remap now then your count dow starts now.

People there's already 2 threads about this in dev's information, take a look.

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=3519

Anxiir
Strange Energy
Posted - 2010.12.16 16:29:00 - [29]
 

Indeed. I was looking more for an offical statement instead of players stabbing in the dark. But i finally got a response from a GM

Quote:
Hi there,

All players who already used their remaps had their timers reset. I am afraid we can not give you another remap as this change was for all players. Those who did not use their remaps do have an extra one to use, but at the same time, they ultimately also did not use the benefit of their remap. Skill training varies from player to player and we ultimately are giving everyone a benefit, no one is being hindered, just benefiting relatively less than others.

Sincerely,
GM Syndemic
EVE Online Customer Support

Korenti Rels
Posted - 2010.12.16 21:18:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Korenti Rels on 16/12/2010 22:00:52
Originally by: Anxiir
Quote:
Skill training varies from player to player and we ultimately are giving everyone a benefit, no one is being hindered, just benefiting relatively less than others.

I think you are not allowed to post GM responses. A moderator will delete it (and maybe also delete the small quotation from this post).

In any case, that response is either wrong or ridiculous.

It is wrong because in some specific cases available information from CCP pushed people toward decisions that turned out to be very very bad. Case in point: some old characters that had never remapped, acting on available information (learnings removal with SP reimbursement, either no extra remap or an equal number of extra remaps to all the characters) ended up remapping for the first time 2 or 3 weeks ago. This turns out to be very bad because CCP actually gave 1 remap to everybody but 2 remaps to old characters that never remapped. In this sense they have been hurt, severely.

It is ridiculous because for "benefiting relatively less than others" to be correct it must be taken literally: some people did not benefit at all (think those that had a remap cooldown ending in a few days). Yes, sure, they were "not hindered". They actually "benefiting relatively less than others". As in they could remap one or two days earlier than expected, while others got up to two extra remaps (and I have unconfirmed rumors that someone got 3: one on wednesday that they immediately used, then 2 more on thursday). Totally ridiculous.


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