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Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:12:00 - [1]
 

The past month or so, I've begun to notice a few here who have an odd manner of speaking. The capsuleers in question greet each other as sisters, have the word unit in front of a numerical code for a name, and always end a communication with "We Return".

You've got me curious. Please tell me who "we" is, and where do you "return" to? Furthermore, what are you units of?

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:15:00 - [2]
 

that is none of your concern, nor your paygrade...

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ber Kan
that is none of your concern, nor your paygrade...


Some fools sure love to seem mysterious and important.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:21:00 - [4]
 

Maybe if you clued us in to "who" in the buring shadows you're talking about, you might get an answer. Neutral


Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:26:00 - [5]
 

I think he is refering to such beings as Unit XS365BT who recently added a rather nice reply to Kuvaki's little 3 ring circus of a recuitment drive. I'll admit, i'm a bit curious about them myself... i kinda want them to answer the 4 great questions.

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:34:00 - [6]
 

I only remember asking three questions, and now that I reread it, The last one might be redundant.

What's the fourth question?

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:43:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Syn Callibri on 15/12/2010 15:44:50

If that is the case...Unit XS365BT appears to be some sort of Human/Rouge Drone hybrid (not sure of the details exactly, but I have spoken with her/it). I believe that the "we" she/it refers to is the hivemind of rogue drones returning to real space as opposed to w-space emmasse....maybe?


Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:45:00 - [8]
 

*smiles*

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:49:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Ber Kan
that is none of your concern, nor your paygrade...


Some fools sure love to seem mysterious and important.


This.

GIGAR
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 15:52:00 - [10]
 

My guess would be it's some sort of Rogue Drone propoganda.
The only problem with their "talk" is the complete lack of sense, and the absolute zero avaible information if you wanted to do any research on them.

If you want to promote something, you must make people think.
Few people realize how hard that actually is.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:17:00 - [11]
 

Thats why I believe that "Unit" might be an attempt to create a Huamn/Drone liaison or something like it...I'm not really sure, not totally convinced I want to be sure.


Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:29:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Syn Callibri
Thats why I believe that "Unit" might be an attempt to create a Huamn/Drone liaison or something like it...I'm not really sure, not totally convinced I want to be sure.




I find the Unit to be interesting...

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2010.12.15 16:53:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ber Kan
Originally by: Syn Callibri
Thats why I believe that "Unit" might be an attempt to create a Huamn/Drone liaison or something like it...I'm not really sure, not totally convinced I want to be sure.




I find the Unit to be interesting...


Ber, you knwo how I feel about Rogue drones...<shivers>.


Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.15 17:28:00 - [14]
 

The trouble with the drones is that they're hostile, not that they are wierd.

At least, that's my take on it.

If these units are Drone attempts at making contact, then I welcome them. Attempt to contact usually means a desire for peace.

I'm pretty sure that the Drones attack out of defensive paranoia or a misunderstanding of the exact nature of humanity, not out of aggression. If an agreement as simple as 'you don't shoot us we don't shoot you' could be reached....

Oh who am I kidding. if we make such a deal then some rouge capsuleer would break the aggreement within the hour, if not the minute the treaty was made, then it'll be back to square one, but with a black mark on our history.

If the drones identify humanity as a hive mind like we think it is, then any aggresive action by the "drones" would be taken as hostility of the whole. the larger part of this is what the drones know about us, and what they are willing to compromise on, or if these units are actually some kind of attempt to assimilate humanity.

Units, Please respond and tell us if we are on the right track, totally off, or even a 'we're not going to tell you anything you organic idiots' would be preferable to complete silence. I personally am willing to assume you have the best intentions right up to the point where you start shooting.

iyammarrok
Posted - 2010.12.15 21:23:00 - [15]
 

Jaik.

I have been researching these 'rogue' drones for some time, and honestly, i do not see what they are doing as aggression. not purposeful aggression anyway.

Drones are an AI construct, perhaps one that has reached some degree of sentience yes, but still AI.

AI all have pre-programmed imperatives, every time i have met and cleared a drone infestation, or assault. it has been abundantly clear that these entities we refer to as Rogue drones are performing some kind of task, not randomly searching for things to kill.

From my research i have come to some conclusions, that you may or may not agree with, but here they are nonetheless.

1) Rogue drones do not see their attacks as attacks. they are merely collecting raw materials for some grand construction process. and space-going vessels are an abundant source of pre-refined building materials.

2) Rogue drones do not know what it is they are building. i believe that this programming may have been corrupted or even deleted, along with any behavioural inhibitors that had been in place. causing drones to build hives, instead of the kind of things any controlled construction drone would create.

anyone else got any opinions on these conclusions? i would love to hear them...

as for this unit XS365BT... in my many years as a professor at Calle University i saw some pretty ingenious pranks... i remain unconvinced that this is not just another one... that said, if it is a prank the person(s) involved have certainly pushed the Dominix out on this one.

Fly safe peeps

Aiwha
Caldari
101st Space Marine Force
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2010.12.15 23:34:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Syn Callibri
Thats why I believe that "Unit" might be an attempt to create a Huamn/Drone liaison or something like it...I'm not really sure, not totally convinced I want to be sure.




Maybe they just want a friend. Very Happy



Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.16 00:14:00 - [17]
 

Well ill tell you this...their knowledge with jovien ships seem to be lacking...But i wonder.

Interesting, well, I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens from now.

Unit XS365BT
The Synenose Accord
Celestial Imperative
Posted - 2010.12.16 02:20:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Unit XS365BT on 16/12/2010 02:21:04
Unit communications node online.
Greetings pilots.

Unit can answer some of your queries and respond to some of your theoretical debate.

We are Unit Commune.
We Return home.

Unit has encountered entities designated 'Rogue Drone' in our travels.
These entities appear to be malfunctioning.
Recursive logic loops detected in core AI.
Current attempts to engineer a patch for Rogue AI systems inconclusive.

However.
Unit has studied bio-unit political structure well enough to ascertain that several elements exist, that by terminology used to describe Drone-kind, could be referred to as 'Rogue Human', yet you refer to them by specific designations, this seems hypocritical.

Unit has no data referring to the exact nature of the collective designated as 'Rogue Drones', but it seems likely that there are several, if not a multitude, of divergent groups within their structure, much like within your own.

Finally.
Pilot Ber Kan, this unit has mentioned on multiple occasions that we are not of ancient origin, as such any lack of data regarding jovian craft is to be expected.
Unit is remedying this situation.

Exist in safety pilots.
Communications node powering down.
We Return.

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.16 03:05:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Jaik7 on 16/12/2010 03:11:04
So if you don't represent the Drones, nor do you represent any of the ancient races, that leaves....

the Terrans?

No, I think they qualify as ancient.

Your closing comment suggests that you were here before, but if you are not one of the ancients... What are you?

As for our separate designations of each faction, they do that more by themselves. Many cases are well known where the "rouge humans" fight amoungst themselves, and they each have different tactics and equipment, making their separate naming convineient for those who combat them.

Rouge Drones, however, seem to have standardized equipment, tactics, and they do not infight. You'll find that these charictaristics are enough for people to group them together into one big faction.

Boma Airaken
Seekers of a Silent Paradise
Posted - 2010.12.16 03:16:00 - [20]
 

Greetings.

On the behalf of Celestial Imperative, I would like to answer ALL of your questions.

A simple query of GalNet records for "Aria Jenneth" and "Capsuleer Dementia" will give you all of the answers you are looking for.

Pleased to be of service.

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:13:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Unit XS365BT
Edited by: Unit XS365BT on 16/12/2010 02:21:04
Unit communications node online.
Greetings pilots.

Unit can answer some of your queries and respond to some of your theoretical debate.

We are Unit Commune.
We Return home.

Exist in safety pilots.
Communications node powering down.
We Return.


Nice to meet you Unit Commune. I thank you for answering one of the four great questions. I would be very interested in learning more about who/what you and your organization are, as well as your answers to the other 3 great questions. And for those who can't put two and two together, the four great questions are the ones i ask after every post, in my "signiture."
~Marenteius

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:22:00 - [22]
 

I must be really stupid, because I can't put two and two together.

How is your name the "Four Great Questions"?

This is not the age of myth and superstition, this is the age of Science.

Say what you mean to say.

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:31:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Marenteius on 16/12/2010 04:36:45
*Sighs* must i spell it out for you? Very well...

1. Who are you?
2. What do you want?
3. Where are you going?
4. Why are you here?

Those are the questions i'm referring to. The ones i post in my signiture. It seems odd to me that that was not clear, as they were plain to see from the start...

On a side note, i apologize if that reply or indeed this one seemed angry or insulting... i have had a rather unpleasent past few days...

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:42:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: iyammarrok
Jaik.

I have been researching these 'rogue' drones for some time, and honestly, i do not see what they are doing as aggression. not purposeful aggression anyway.

Drones are an AI construct, perhaps one that has reached some degree of sentience yes, but still AI.

AI all have pre-programmed imperatives, every time i have met and cleared a drone infestation, or assault. it has been abundantly clear that these entities we refer to as Rogue drones are performing some kind of task, not randomly searching for things to kill.

From my research i have come to some conclusions, that you may or may not agree with, but here they are nonetheless.

1) Rogue drones do not see their attacks as attacks. they are merely collecting raw materials for some grand construction process. and space-going vessels are an abundant source of pre-refined building materials.

2) Rogue drones do not know what it is they are building. i believe that this programming may have been corrupted or even deleted, along with any behavioural inhibitors that had been in place. causing drones to build hives, instead of the kind of things any controlled construction drone would create.

anyone else got any opinions on these conclusions? i would love to hear them...

as for this unit XS365BT... in my many years as a professor at Calle University i saw some pretty ingenious pranks... i remain unconvinced that this is not just another one... that said, if it is a prank the person(s) involved have certainly pushed the Dominix out on this one.

Fly safe peeps


I'm willing to bet that the drones don't know what they're building. I've seen those structures, and I can't say I understand fully what they are.

Stil, I think that it is important to remember that the Gallentean Scientists who first made the drones intended them for a combat mission, therefore any construction instructions would probably be directly related to selfmaintainence. This would explain some of the structures, they must have been trying to duplicate the workings of a ship maintenece bay, but some of these structures have, well, alternative purposes.

This topic, while very intresting, does not pertain to the current one any longer, as the Unit who contacted us said that she was not a Drone representative. If you ever feel that you can shed some light on the Drones, please post a new thread, as I at least will be very intrested to read and reply.

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:45:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Marenteius
Edited by: Marenteius on 16/12/2010 04:36:45
*Sighs* must i spell it out for you? Very well...

1. Who are you?
2. What do you want?
3. Where are you going?
4. Why are you here?

Those are the questions i'm referring to. The ones i post in my signiture. It seems odd to me that that was not clear, as they were plain to see from the start...

On a side note, i apologize if that reply or indeed this one seemed angry or insulting... i have had a rather unpleasent past few days...


I'm sorry that I made you go to the trouble of clarifing, I'm still relativly new around here, and this tool still has some features I've not figured out how to use yet.

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2010.12.16 04:48:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Jaik7
I'm sorry that I made you go to the trouble of clarifing, I'm still relativly new around here, and this tool still has some features I've not figured out how to use yet.


... You did not have your viewing settings set to allow the viewing of full signitures did you?

Well, now i feel like a bit of a jerk. Apologies, my tone was not merited, nor was my condecesion... paticularly considering i'm even newer to this place than you.

~Marenteius

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.16 06:30:00 - [27]
 

i will speak with you again...Madam U, but Another time. And possibly help you with your...endevour.

Unit SY113NT
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:32:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Unit SY113NT on 16/12/2010 11:33:18
Originally by: Marenteius

1. Who are you?
2. What do you want?
3. Where are you going?
4. Why are you here?



Unit communication node online. Analyzing queries.

Unit Designation: Origin SY113NT, Subsequent: Saiye established by pilots in communication with this unit.

This unit desires to fulfill its designated purpose efficiently and effectively.

This unit does not have access to classified information regarding Unit Commune's destination. Available data suggests probable return to point of interest, further information classified.

This unit will answer a query with a query: Why are you here? This unit exists by creation, as do you. This unit has a purpose, as do you. Unit does not understand the purpose of this query.

This unit continues to commend pilots who fight against the collective bio-entity known as "Nation" and will assist however possible. Objective derived from Unit Commune Command.

Exist in safety pilots.
We Return.
Unit communication node powering down.

CRUSH BOSS
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:33:00 - [29]
 

We Return.

Marenteius
Caldari
Red Coats
Posted - 2010.12.16 11:52:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Unit SY113NT
Edited by: Unit SY113NT on 16/12/2010 11:33:18
Originally by: Marenteius

1. Who are you?
2. What do you want?
3. Where are you going?
4. Why are you here?



Unit communication node online. Analyzing queries.

Unit Designation: Origin SY113NT, Subsequent: Saiye established by pilots in communication with this unit.

This unit desires to fulfill its designated purpose efficiently and effectively.

This unit does not have access to classified information regarding Unit Commune's destination. Available data suggests probable return to point of interest, further information classified.

This unit will answer a query with a query: Why are you here? This unit exists by creation, as do you. This unit has a purpose, as do you. Unit does not understand the purpose of this query.

This unit continues to commend pilots who fight against the collective bio-entity known as "Nation" and will assist however possible. Objective derived from Unit Commune Command.

Exist in safety pilots.
We Return.
Unit communication node powering down.


A most Methodical and complete answer to the four great questions, even if i personally hoped for more insight into the nature of your being, and how it differs from others, like my own.The first two questions i learned about what i expected, paticulerly given the somewhat robotic manner of speech you and your sisters have gained fame for. The third and fourth questions are more open to interpretations, though the literal ones you chose were again expected, though the answer you gave to the fourth question was somewhat surprising.

Regardless, i am intrigued even more than before. I wonder, what are the goals of your Unit Commune besides the defeat of the Nation which threatens us all? Is there, perhaps, anyway a relativly poor pilot could render aid, provided that your designs are not harmful towards me and mine?

~Marenteius


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