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VURDAH
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.12 05:52:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: VURDAH on 14/12/2010 01:13:48
Edited by: VURDAH on 12/12/2010 22:50:44
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price is goin up.
500k units less on the market. This isn't only beacouse yesterday was saturday.
People hold their stock beacouse they see what is goin on with Mechanical Parts.

YARRRR!!

GOLDEN AGE OF PI STARTED. Twisted Evil

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Rasz Lin
Caldari
Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:01:00 - [2]
 

2 days till clickfest is fixed and people start producking crapload of everything on AFK alts.

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:05:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:30
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:21
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:06:33
lol noob new depletion rates=gg huge price rush and skyrocket on everything pi.Also less then 100k mech parts on the market at 14k and less then 100k for 24k.I'll be looking at 460% margin if the new price is 40k of which im quite positive soon.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/ECU.jpg

If you don't understand the screenshot then not my prob.

VURDAH
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: VURDAH on 12/12/2010 07:03:26
Originally by: Rasz Lin
2 days till clickfest is fixed and people start producking crapload of everything on AFK alts.

What do you mean about '2 days till fixed' ? Any proof ?
I don't see anything about pi in new patch notes
http://www.eveonline.com/updates/patchnotes.asp

Originally by: Grozen
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/ECU.jpg


hmm Rolling Eyesthis is from this topic
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1406457



Edit:
This looks like Supreme Ruler 2020 my fav strategic game HAHA ugh
http://content.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/Prototype.jpg
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=805
http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Games/S/Supreme%20Ruler%202020/Bulk%20Viewers/PC/2008-07-03/REV.178.SupremeRuler2020-5--article_image.jpg
And like a Civilization 5 http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/7578/z7578518X,Cywilizacja-5--Civilization-5.jpg

Laughing

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Tasko Pal
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:50:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Tasko Pal on 12/12/2010 06:53:01
Originally by: VURDAH


What do you mean about '2 days till fixed' ? Any proof ?


I made the same mistake in another thread. Sounds like it's on the plate for the January patch, but definitely not showing up on December 14.

Added: Not that I'm not grateful for the heads up on coolant (which I produce a little of and have been stockpiling), but I'm about ready to talk about anything else other than PI right now. Trit, garbage, implants, whatever. Creating a bunch of manipulation threads dilutes the actual knowledge.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.12 11:50:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Grozen
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:30
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:21
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:06:33
lol noob new depletion rates=gg huge price rush and skyrocket on everything pi.Also less then 100k mech parts on the market at 14k and less then 100k for 24k.I'll be looking at 460% margin if the new price is 40k of which im quite positive soon.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/ECU.jpg

If you don't understand the screenshot then not my prob.


It's those parts of the manipulation threads that make me laugh a bit. The price is going to go from 13K to 40K SOON? Along with Robotics being at 100K in a week and I'm sure Planetary Vehicles will 'stabilise at 70K by Christmas' etc. etc. the ridiculous over estimation of prices makes me laugh. Even if the math behind them is true (AKA cost of components = X price for final product) EVE has shown time and time and time and TIMEEEEE again that thousands of people will produce for undercost, "minerals I mine are free" etc. etc. and as soon as some item becomes profitable you can bet your ass 5000 alt accounts will switch to making it. Mechanical parts, 600,000 units sat at 13879.85 not 7hours after Grozen's post with 200K units showing up to 24K.

Jump on PI bandwagons if you want but a) the bandwagon begun BEFORE Tyrannis, and there are MILLIONS of units at pre-PI prices waiting in hangars for a good price and b) It's far too easy to run a dozen planets producing 'free goods' for massive price rises to occur in a short time (barring manipulations that last a day or 2 at most)

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:03:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Grozen
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:30
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:21
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:06:33
lol noob new depletion rates=gg huge price rush and skyrocket on everything pi.Also less then 100k mech parts on the market at 14k and less then 100k for 24k.I'll be looking at 460% margin if the new price is 40k of which im quite positive soon.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/ECU.jpg

If you don't understand the screenshot then not my prob.


It's those parts of the manipulation threads that make me laugh a bit. The price is going to go from 13K to 40K SOON? Along with Robotics being at 100K in a week and I'm sure Planetary Vehicles will 'stabilise at 70K by Christmas' etc. etc. the ridiculous over estimation of prices makes me laugh. Even if the math behind them is true (AKA cost of components = X price for final product) EVE has shown time and time and time and TIMEEEEE again that thousands of people will produce for undercost, "minerals I mine are free" etc. etc. and as soon as some item becomes profitable you can bet your ass 5000 alt accounts will switch to making it. Mechanical parts, 600,000 units sat at 13879.85 not 7hours after Grozen's post with 200K units showing up to 24K.

Jump on PI bandwagons if you want but a) the bandwagon begun BEFORE Tyrannis, and there are MILLIONS of units at pre-PI prices waiting in hangars for a good price and b) It's far too easy to run a dozen planets producing 'free goods' for massive price rises to occur in a short time (barring manipulations that last a day or 2 at most)


You're right bout the 600k order yea im not nostradamos i dont know when some noob will take the stuff of his hangar and trow it on the market.But fact is that the amount bought daily is far bigger then the amount produced otherwise why would the price be rising?

I don't think people can manipulate 4.5m daily volume that easy.I'm not saying price is going to go to 40k in 2-3days but its realistic to think it won't be much longer then 2-3months, just because your theory about people producing doesn't hold up.

Most people ignore pi as an income source and it will be so until the cost of slavery pi demands is equal to the rewards offered aka 40-60k p/u.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:13:00 - [8]
 

As already pointed out its about month to PI overhaul as it is not part of Tuesday patch. Unfortunately.

Grozen
Caldari
Titan Core
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:20:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Carniflex
As already pointed out its about month to PI overhaul as it is not part of Tuesday patch. Unfortunately.

One of the main reasons we may see spike before that.

Icanti
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:35:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Icanti on 12/12/2010 12:41:31
Originally by: Rasz Lin
2 days till clickfest is fixed and people start producking crapload of everything on AFK alts.


Even when the new iteration of PI is rolled out, I've not seen anything to suggest that production itself will rise.

CCP may decide that the current prices of PI are about right. They are sufficient to attract people into the industry.

If that is the case, it is likely that extraction rates will reduce significantly in order to offset the new less clicky interface.

Prices may reduce slightly due to lots more people trying out PI again and then slowly rise.


Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.12 13:39:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 12/12/2010 13:41:45
Originally by: Grozen
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Originally by: Grozen
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:30
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:34:21
Edited by: Grozen on 12/12/2010 06:06:33
lol noob new depletion rates=gg huge price rush and skyrocket on everything pi.Also less then 100k mech parts on the market at 14k and less then 100k for 24k.I'll be looking at 460% margin if the new price is 40k of which im quite positive soon.

http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2010/ECU.jpg

If you don't understand the screenshot then not my prob.


It's those parts of the manipulation threads that make me laugh a bit. The price is going to go from 13K to 40K SOON? Along with Robotics being at 100K in a week and I'm sure Planetary Vehicles will 'stabilise at 70K by Christmas' etc. etc. the ridiculous over estimation of prices makes me laugh. Even if the math behind them is true (AKA cost of components = X price for final product) EVE has shown time and time and time and TIMEEEEE again that thousands of people will produce for undercost, "minerals I mine are free" etc. etc. and as soon as some item becomes profitable you can bet your ass 5000 alt accounts will switch to making it. Mechanical parts, 600,000 units sat at 13879.85 not 7hours after Grozen's post with 200K units showing up to 24K.

Jump on PI bandwagons if you want but a) the bandwagon begun BEFORE Tyrannis, and there are MILLIONS of units at pre-PI prices waiting in hangars for a good price and b) It's far too easy to run a dozen planets producing 'free goods' for massive price rises to occur in a short time (barring manipulations that last a day or 2 at most)


You're right bout the 600k order yea im not nostradamos i dont know when some noob will take the stuff of his hangar and trow it on the market.But fact is that the amount bought daily is far bigger then the amount produced otherwise why would the price be rising?

I don't think people can manipulate 4.5m daily volume that easy.I'm not saying price is going to go to 40k in 2-3days but its realistic to think it won't be much longer then 2-3months, just because your theory about people producing doesn't hold up.

Most people ignore pi as an income source and it will be so until the cost of slavery pi demands is equal to the rewards offered aka 40-60k p/u.


Oh I'm not saying prices wont rise, the price will rise with a lot of PI goods no doubt, it was the 'soon' comment .. you clarified saying 2-3 months which is more realistic, whether 40K is or not I'd need to do the math on, I assume you have so it may be realistic also, it was the 'soon' comment though, especially as in a monthish there's a PI overhaul coming, the effects of which are unknown. There are a lot of people even now running a few alts with a few planets each or more, with a less clickyfest coming a lot more people might get involved, especially if CCP market it well .. I'd not bet the house on a 40K price at the moment tbh.

Noone saw that 600K unit hitting the shelves for example, you said yourself you are not nostrodamus .. though that's hardly a bad thing, he was full of **** .. could well be another 2million units in that one guys hangar alone though! The more expensive some of this stuff gets the less it's demand will be for some of these items.

I'm not so much saying you are blatantly wrong, it's more the general feeling that PI will become astronomically more expensive than it is currently, just wont hold true for a lot of items.

VURDAH
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.12 13:45:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Grozen

But fact is that the amount bought daily is far bigger then the amount produced otherwise why would the price be rising?


Laughing

Did you remember that Coolant rise:
http://i52.tinypic.com/24vv3lv.png
Originally by: Grozen

I don't think people can manipulate 4.5m daily volume that easy.

And demand is still below 2.2 Millions.
Because robotics are still on the market.

People still have more than 30 Millions of Mechanical Parts
I calculate that. [price history] average demand, etc.
People have more Mechanical Parts stockpiled than Coolant.
But production of Coolant is high. More than 500k units less than 1000k units and demand will be the same ~1.8 Millions /day average.
Demand for Mechanical Parts will be 2x higher because depletion of robotics.
http://i52.tinypic.com/29eqgea.jpg
We can see here big speculation.

Just let everybody will put their stock on market.
And that will be funny.
SurprisedVery Happy

Just like me:
http://i56.tinypic.com/2e2gz90.png YARRRR!!
I will not sell these units for below 10k isk /unit

I have a great idea for new topic.
"Just show me your wallet." Surprised
If you have items worth more than 10 Billons isk.
I just need to know. How much people have more than 10 Billions.
More than 1%? Where i can find real statistics ?

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Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.12.13 08:27:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: VURDAH

I just need to know. How much people have more than 10 Billions.
More than 1%? Where i can find real statistics ?



One of the economic devblogs had this data. It was a while ago. More than year if not two ago. Dunno if more recent ones have had this data as well presented. Anyway the old econ devblog would give you something to base the educated guess on.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.13 09:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Carniflex
Originally by: VURDAH

I just need to know. How much people have more than 10 Billions.
More than 1%? Where i can find real statistics ?



One of the economic devblogs had this data. It was a while ago. More than year if not two ago. Dunno if more recent ones have had this data as well presented. Anyway the old econ devblog would give you something to base the educated guess on.

QENs/devblogs only report ISK in character wallets, not the value of assets.

Oni Triad
Posted - 2010.12.13 11:17:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: VURDAH

Just like me:
http://i56.tinypic.com/2e2gz90.png YARRRR!!

What market bot do you use... lol...

Gillaboo
Posted - 2010.12.13 13:29:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Jump on PI bandwagons if you want but a) the bandwagon begun BEFORE Tyrannis, and there are MILLIONS of units at pre-PI prices waiting in hangars for a good price and ...


This.

VURDAH
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.14 01:11:00 - [17]
 


Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
Posted - 2010.12.14 13:55:00 - [18]
 

The 'problem' with PI is the same as with Datacores, there's an easily reached limit on how much a single character can produce. Not so with mining or mission running, the more time you sink into it, the more you will earn. Upto 23 hours a day can be spend mining, PI on the other hand can't be actively done for that amount of time, you activate the extractors and you log off. Even if you run the very short runs, it's seriously compromising the return very quickly. Add to that that the return in high sec is not great and low sec is better, but dangerous. 0.0 and WH do get better, but moving them to high sec is a pain (they take up a lot of room in the cargo hold).


 

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