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Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:05:00 - [1]
 

I was on autopilot and passed through a few regions in quick succession while browsing the Market. I was checking out T2 Cruisers because I plan to train one soon and saw something weird. While on Average region to region the price is always close to 100-120 except one ship. The Eagle is 56-67 Mil in most region and that is and average, not a low ball number of the cheapest.

So I am wondering the following:

* Is it only because it is a horrible ship?
* Are all HAC's that cheap to manufacture?
* Are they loosing ISK on selling this ship?
* Why are they produced if they sell so low?

Free trade is confusing. ugh

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:09:00 - [2]
 

Rails are horrible, ship is fine

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:10:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/12/2010 20:11:14
Originally by: Adunh Slavy
Rails are horrible, ship is fine

Yeah I know that, it also isn't much of a Blaster boat ethier with the lack of Drone Bay.

I am just wondering how such a massive price discrepancy is possible.

gfldex
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:11:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm

* Is it only because it is a horrible ship?



No, it's because of their low fuel consuption.

Originally by: Alara IonStorm

* Why are they produced if they sell so low?



You imply that those who make them are the same who sell them. There are plenty of Eagles in EVE and there is no reason to fly one. Given that there is no reason to use it there is no reason not to sell it either.

frsd
Caldari
No.Mercy
Merciless.
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:11:00 - [5]
 

Eagle itself is already very meh, not enough PG for a Hybrid ship. Combined with the fact that Railguns are totally useless noone who knows better uses them.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:16:00 - [6]
 

Ship is bad, rails are worse. Rarely seen it used, so expect no one produces them anymore and the remaining are just stockpiles waiting to be sold.

I expect for a 'loss', but if you get your own materials your just getting paid less for them than if you built another ship.

Spineker
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:23:00 - [7]
 

They are still great for podding and sometimes sniping frigates. But they were nerfed a couple years ago or rather rails I use to fly the Eagle is a good ship but not really anymore I still have mine actually. Proper fit they can lock a pod in no time and insta pop it but others can do this also.

Beagle used to be feared and frigates scattered when a 160 to 200km Sniping Eagle showed up. Not sure anymore.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:32:00 - [8]
 

umad bro?

Hephaesteus
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:33:00 - [9]
 

Think the problem is, it's a sniper boat and the Cerb does it better.

Does it have a place? I would have to say no for pvp because there are better ships to pvp in. But, if you want an interesting time doing missions you could do a lot worse than try them in a Beagle. It's not easy and you have to watch where you are going all the time, but it is very involving. Got to the end of vengeance and had enough dps to pop Rachen Mysuna.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:33:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 11/12/2010 20:39:16
Originally by: Alara IonStorm
* Is it only because it is a horrible ship?

I wouldn't use those exact words, but in a nutshell, yes.
A more appropriate description would be "highly situational and overall underpowered".
It has some pretty specific uses it is awesome for, but that's about it, it's well below average for most other purposes.

Quote:
* Are all HAC's that cheap to manufacture?

From a highly researched BPO, probably in that ballpark. Haven't followed component and ship prices lately, so can't tell without doing more research than I deem worth bothering with.
Quote:
* Are they loosing ISK on selling this ship?

Quite possible.
However, chances are they're making a token profit (and I really mean a token profit, as in, they could probably earn more by manufacturing T1 ammo)
Quote:
* Why are they produced if they sell so low?

Because some people feel guilty for having one of the fabled T2 ship BPOs and not using it at all.
Alternatively, they just fail to do the proper math and take a loss from ship manufacture, but probably make a larger profit from component manufacture, so they mistakenly assume ship manufacture is profitable (I've seen weirder stuff happening, and in some borderline cases, this is actually justified, in case the ship would sell faster than the components, although for an Eagle, that's hardly the case).

Or it could also be former owners got sick and tired of their own ship and are selling their old ones... although that is less likely, since used ships are usually rigged, and repackaging it would destroy the rigs (however, they're probably cheap rigs anyway and the user might be in dire need of cash, not willing to wait for a contract sale to go through).

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: TimMc
Ship is bad, rails are worse. Rarely seen it used, so expect no one produces them anymore and the remaining are just stockpiles waiting to be sold.

I expect for a 'loss', but if you get your own materials your just getting paid less for them than if you built another ship.


rails are fine, just like eccm.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:39:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: frog0ut

rails are fine, just like eccm.

Someone with a Falcon jam his posts Razz

Thanx Akita and others.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:54:00 - [13]
 

if they are too cheap you can always buy and reprocess them Twisted Evil

Clone 1
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:24:00 - [14]
 

Ha! true, I have a BPO and I have not build one in 2 years. it's just not worth it.
So you could say its highly researched,
Better off inventing basilisk's tbh.

Eagle sucks, even when you can build as cost. Laughing


Snowmann
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:32:00 - [15]
 

Rails will probably get some attention in the next year or so.

Beams sucked awhile back, then got looked at.
Arty sucked more recently, and got looked at.

It's the nature of things. Cross-training is your friend.

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Snowmann
Rails will probably get some attention in the next year or so.

Beams sucked awhile back, then got looked at.
Arty sucked more recently, and got looked at.

It's the nature of things. Cross-training is your friend.



How long until ECCM gets fixed then?

Snowmann
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: frog0ut
How long until ECCM gets fixed then?


Soon(tm)

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: frog0ut

How long until ECCM gets fixed then?

I heard they are fixing it by buffing the Falcons Sensor strength. So it will be harder to counter jam.

Fix'd Razz

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:09:00 - [19]
 

Falcon pilots should just learn to fit the counters (Signal Distortion Amplifiers) and HTFU, noobs, I bet they are 12 irl, <insert random personal attack here>.

hjgjgfgfgsj
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:11:00 - [20]
 

Rails are great, anyone who says differently is smoking crack.

Even greater is the Eagle. Super sniper, super blaster, it's versatile and can pack a good shield hp and resists. It is too under rated and its a shame.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:16:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Brian Ballsack on 11/12/2010 23:16:17
Originally by: frog0ut
Falcon pilots should just learn to fit the counters (Signal Distortion Amplifiers) and HTFU, noobs, I bet they are 12 irl, <insert random personal attack here>.


Have you managed to get enough ISK together to replace that vexor you lost yet ?

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:27:00 - [22]
 

lol how hard is it to fit Particle Dispersion Augmentors, your so dumb


 

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