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Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:30:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 13/12/2010 17:12:35
Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 19:35:06
THIS BOND OFFERING HAS BEEN WITHDRAWN.
It will be sent back to the underwriters and reappear soon after reformulation.

My thanks to the many critics who pointed out it's flaws that I will now try to rectify.

Yukon Kornelius

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Silver & Gold corporation 5 billion ISK bond offering:

1) Details
2) About Me
3) Business Model
4) Returns
4b) Payment methods
5) Exit Strategy
5b) Eaten by Bumble
6) Paradox of collateral
7) Risks
8) Regrets
9) Q & A
10) Props & Edit History
11) Marshmallows


1) Details
Bonds shares available: 1,000
Face value per bond share: $5 million each.
Total value of bond offering: $5 Billion ISK
Bond begins: As soon as filled.
Maturity: 180 days planned (PLEASE NOTE: A buyout clause become exercisable after 90 days)
Interest: 8% monthly base.
Maximum Bond Shares Per Person during first week of offering: 200
Collateral offered: None. (Due to the paradox of collateral, see #6 below.)
Date of issuance: TBA
Date of planned maturity: TBA (180 days from date of issuance)

Reserved:


Bond Shares Left: 1,000





2) About Me
Yukon Kornelius at your service. I’m not really sure how I got started in New Eden but rumor has it that some bored medical station employee was conducting experiments on unused clones. Seems he was uploading personality algorithms he extracted from an ancient hologram precursor of unknown origin and I was one of the results. Ever since stepping out of the goo I’ve enjoyed Ice Mining, trading, prospecting, the occasional musical number, and trading.


3) Business Model
Recently, while searching for silver and gold (omber), I licked my axe for the millionth time and discovered a peppermint mine. I intend to extract this peppermint, refine it, and bring it to market as a luxury item for all the swell looking Caldari chicks hanging out in Jita. Some people would just call this “trading.”

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:32:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 19:51:30
Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 19:36:40
4) Returns:
Each 5 million ISK bond share pays a base 8% interest payment of 400,000 ISK each 30 day period that the bond is active.

4b) Payment Methods:
My best sled dog, Yukon’s LeadDog, has created a corp named Silver and Gold 5 billion bond to act as a holding corporation for this bond. There are 1,000 shares in this corp. There are no other assets in this corp. Each share in this corp corresponds to one share in this bond offering.
Payment for bonds:
All investor ISK for the purchase of this bond’s shares should be sent to Yukon’s LeadDog.
For each $5 million isk bond share purchased, investors will receive 1 share in the Silver and Gold 5 billion bond corp.
Repayment of bond and monthly interest:
All payments of monthly interest and the final principal payout will be accomplished via dividend payments to active shareholders.


5) Exit Strategy:
A buyout clause is in place that can be activated after 90 days, 120 days, or 150 days to close out the bond early.
If the buyout clause is not activated, the bond will run for its full 180 day course before closing.
When the bond does close, including closing early via buyout, the entire principal will be repaid along with the last monthly interest payment for a lump sum final payout of 5.4 million ISK per bond share held (1 bond share = 1 corp share).
After the bond is closed, a new bond may be issued, and any existing investors will have first priority in that offering.
Upon the conclusion of the bond, the Silver and Gold 5 billion bond corp will be dissolved and its shares will become worthless.

5b) Eaten by Bumble (hit by bus):
If I am eaten by a Bumble, drown in the Artic Ocean, or otherwise incapacitated, you will have no recourse to get back your investment. Of course if this happens, I will be dead. So, in the unlikely but statistically possible event that I expire in the next six months, I hope you will be so kind as to forgive me for taking your ISK to the grave.


6) The Paradox of collateral:
Of course I have collateral that I could put up to secure this bond, but the more I looked at the idea, the less sense it made. I did approach Chribba about securing this bond, but as I expected he politely declined, presumably due to its smallish nature. I explored other options but did not feel they had the same rock-solid reputation needed.
None of the assets I have are in a category that could be labeled “buy and hold.” I buy and sell. Therefore it makes no sense to me to park 5 billion in assets to collateralize a bond. This leads me to the absurd position of losing money by not selling my assets in a timely fashion while also paying out interest on the bond. I conservatively estimate that such an endeavor would cost me upwards of 28% per month total (8% bond + 20% lost trading profits) which is just plain silly.

This is what I refer to as the Paradox of collateral: Prospective lenders may be unwilling to purchase bonds since I do not provide collateral: But If I put up collateral, my total cost to borrow the ISK skyrockets as I adopt a plan that makes no sense from a business perspective.
Thus the absurdity arises that lenders may only feel comfortable purchasing my bond shares after I have willingly adopted a position (collateralized bond) that makes little business sense. Why would you want to invest in someone like that?

Using collateral then just equates to buying trust and I am not interested in buying your trust. Earning it? Yes. But certainly not buying it.

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:33:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 13/12/2010 17:14:16
Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 19:53:24
Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 19:38:06
7) Risks:
There’s a lot of claim jumpers around so I won’t tell you where my peppermint mine is other than to say that it’s in high-sec, can be reached from Jita via a continuous high-sec route, and is very safe. This means that the operational risk is extremely low.


8) Regrets:
I’ve had a few. But then again, too few to mention.


9)Q & A
Do you plan to have an audit? Answer = No
Why will you not provide an audit? Answer = Because It would not feel fair to expose any auditor to the tangled web of my transactions over a relatively meager 5 billion ISK bond.
What level of collateral will be held? Answer = 0% (see #6 above for the paradox of collateral)
How do we know that you have the skill set to trade? Answer = Check my skills. I have made my trade certificates public.
I am too lazy to check your trade certificates, what are they? Answer= Business Mogul Elite & Business Tycoon Elite.
Complete this sentence, “Trade is a …..?” Answer = “..zero sum game.”
Why won’t you tell us your “real” business plan? Answer= See above.

10) Props & Edit History:
Thanks to Stealing Honest Speculation Group or whoever actually developed this bond template that I repurposed.
Any edits will be recorded here.
*Changed payout in #5 above to reflect revised valuation of bond shares to corp shares.
* Changed text and title to update bond's status as being withdrawn.


11) Marshmallows:
This is where I will place a few marshmallows on a stick. I expect them to be toasty and warm in no time from the flames that trolls will fan below. In the unlikely event that no flames ensue, I shall still eat the marshmallows, since what the heck I like cold marshmallows anyway.

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Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 11/12/2010 20:26:03
By the way, I've been looking for this "peppermint mine" for a long time:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1020825


Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:41:00 - [5]
 

2/10.

writing these posts was a waste of your time.

Yukon's LeadDog
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:41:00 - [6]
 

Confirming that I am in fact Yukon's lead sled dog.

Also confirming that I will be accepting all ISK for bond shares purchased as outlined above.

Woof.

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Cyaxares II
2/10.

writing these posts was a waste of your time.


1/10

Hey, thanks for getting the marshmallows going. Well I do fly a freighter so I have plenty of time to "waste." Seriously? that was the best you could do?


Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:02:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 11/12/2010 20:01:58
Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

11) Marshmallows:
This is where I will place a few marshmallows on a stick. I expect them to be toasty and warm in no time from the flames that trolls will fan below. In the unlikely event that no flames ensue, I shall still eat the marshmallows, since what the heck I like cold marshmallows anyway.

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Having your "I wont audit or tell you my plan or collateralise but send me 5billion isk I promise to give it back honest" post called "a waste of time" is not trolling/flaming it's pointing out what is a simple, and obvious, fact. Since when has any offer along these lines ever successfully taken off? Put more effort in or get nothing in return from people you are ASKING FOR HELP from.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Cyaxares II on 11/12/2010 20:04:04
Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Hey, thanks for getting the marshmallows going. Well I do fly a freighter so I have plenty of time to "waste." Seriously? that was the best you could do?

tryhard-funny is not funny, you have no business plan, the most ridiculous reason to avoid an audit I have seen in a long time, misconceptions about the value of offering collateral and there are half a dozen other issues I can't be bothered to lay out in detail.

Your posts are too boring to be a decent troll and too awful to be an actual offering.

I have no idea what you want to achieve with this thread but it's likely you fail at it.

... that's the story behind "2/10".

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:19:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Caldariftw123
Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 11/12/2010 20:01:58
"I wont audit or tell you my plan or collateralise but send me 5billion isk I promise to give it back honest" post called "a waste of time" is not trolling/flaming it's pointing out what is a simple, and obvious, fact. Since when has any offer along these lines ever successfully taken off? Put more effort in or get nothing in return from people you are ASKING FOR HELP from.


4/10 for use of caps.

However, you have at least one valid point.

Perhaps I was too cryptic when I said in 3) Business Plan that my activities could be called "trading". My plan involves trading and trading only. Buying low ISK-high M3 goods elsewhere, and shipping them Jita via all high-sec, and selling for a profit. Its basic stuff so no real need to expand on that.

Besides, I am not so much asking for help as I am offering an investment opportunity for others.

Those who can read between the lines will recognise key clues that might make them feel more comfortable with the the strength of my character. Those that don't feel any resonance (such as you) will certainly pour more gas on the flames.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.12.11 20:50:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Breaker77 on 11/12/2010 20:51:55
Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

Besides, I am not so much asking for help as I am offering an investment opportunity for others.


So basically you are looking to rep grind until you can get big enough to make it worth scamming.

Thanks for at least being honest.

edit:

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

Do you plan to have an audit? Answer = No
Why will you not provide an audit? Answer = Because It would not feel fair to expose any auditor to the tangled web of my transactions over a relatively meager 5 billion ISK bond.


That has to be the biggest bunch of **** I've read about audits.

Yes doing audits is messy, but most of the current auditors are smart enough to dig through everything and sort it out.

That is what they do.



Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:24:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Originally by: Caldariftw123
Edited by: Caldariftw123 on 11/12/2010 20:01:58
"I wont audit or tell you my plan or collateralise but send me 5billion isk I promise to give it back honest" post called "a waste of time" is not trolling/flaming it's pointing out what is a simple, and obvious, fact. Since when has any offer along these lines ever successfully taken off? Put more effort in or get nothing in return from people you are ASKING FOR HELP from.


4/10 for use of caps.

However, you have at least one valid point.

Perhaps I was too cryptic when I said in 3) Business Plan that my activities could be called "trading". My plan involves trading and trading only. Buying low ISK-high M3 goods elsewhere, and shipping them Jita via all high-sec, and selling for a profit. Its basic stuff so no real need to expand on that.

Besides, I am not so much asking for help as I am offering an investment opportunity for others.

Those who can read between the lines will recognise key clues that might make them feel more comfortable with the the strength of my character. Those that don't feel any resonance (such as you) will certainly pour more gas on the flames.


As said above, try-hard funny isn't funny. Silly 4/10 scoring, etc. .. If you honestly did want to get isk out of this endeavour acting like a prat is probably one of the worst ways to go about it. You are asking for help, you talk about 'strength of your character' from some random name character talking about puppies and marshmallows, yeah sure in the world of EVE that'll go far .. etc etc etc tbh there's a thousand and one reasons why this thread will never make you the easy isk you are hoping for, and many of those reasons are the hundreds of threads that have gone before you with MORE effort and much the same result.

Another wannabe-turns-didn't get.

Amarr Citizen 155
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:30:00 - [13]
 

I actually enjoyed the post. The role-play combined with the time of year made me laugh.

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:45:00 - [14]
 

Breaker77

I can assure you that I am not rep-grinding. I have no idea why you would even suspect that from a player as old as me.

Let me tell you what I do know.
Any audit, or API release, or business plan means absolutly nothing once the ISK is loaned. Since this is the case I see no reason to go through the charade that is auditing/API/business plan.

Granted the risk may be reduced, but it will never be eliminated. The real question is what level of risk is any individual investor comfortable with? Instead of relying on the opinions of others to sway investors, I hope to reach those that rely on their own instincts more than on the words of someone else.

Not that I don't respect the opinion of VV. I think he's spot on about the quality of Italian hazelnuts used in domestic Nutella vs the crap hazelnuts used in the export product.

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Caldariftw123,

I'm sorry? Did you just call me a random named character? Well, I guess my spelling is off using a K instead of a C but that's just because some other dormant toon had already registered my name. But still I'm sure there are pleny out there who recognize that the name Yukon Kornelius is a derived from the original "ice" miner.

So check my name, check my corp name, and tell me again if you really think this all "random."

BTW, I'm guessing that you don't live in the US and if you do you are younger than 25.

Caldariftw123
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:54:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Breaker77

I can assure you that I am not rep-grinding. I have no idea why you would even suspect that from a player as old as me.

Let me tell you what I do know.
Any audit, or API release, or business plan means absolutly nothing once the ISK is loaned. Since this is the case I see no reason to go through the charade that is auditing/API/business plan.

Granted the risk may be reduced, but it will never be eliminated. The real question is what level of risk is any individual investor comfortable with? Instead of relying on the opinions of others to sway investors, I hope to reach those that rely on their own instincts more than on the words of someone else.

Not that I don't respect the opinion of VV. I think he's spot on about the quality of Italian hazelnuts used in domestic Nutella vs the crap hazelnuts used in the export product.

--------------

Caldariftw123,

I'm sorry? Did you just call me a random named character? Well, I guess my spelling is off using a K instead of a C but that's just because some other dormant toon had already registered my name. But still I'm sure there are pleny out there who recognize that the name Yukon Kornelius is a derived from the original "ice" miner.

So check my name, check my corp name, and tell me again if you really think this all "random."

BTW, I'm guessing that you don't live in the US and if you do you are younger than 25.


Incorrect. On which bit? Irrelevant. Your idea is still rubbish. By random name dude I mean you could be anyone, absolutely anyone, your 'word' or 'character' is completely irrelevant in this forum of thousands of anonymous famous in a game where scamming is actively encouraged.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:57:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Breaker77

I can assure you that I am not rep-grinding. I have no idea why you would even suspect that from a player as old as me.


Perhaps you didn't read and/or remember what you posted

Originally by: Breaker77

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

Besides, I am not so much asking for help as I am offering an investment opportunity for others.




No one in this forum NEEDS to invest in others. So we don't need an opportunity to invest.

Quote:

Let me tell you what I do know.
Any audit, or API release, or business plan means absolutly nothing once the ISK is loaned. Since this is the case I see no reason to go through the charade that is auditing/API/business plan.



Are you afraid an audit will reveal characters on your accounts that are scammers or linked to scammers? That is one of the main reasons for audits. Auditors could care less that you trade X item in Y station. We are looking for connections from your characters either through the wallet journal or forum posts.

Right now the way it stands you are a Riethe or Xabier alt for all we know.

As for the part about the audit or API means nothing after the ISK is handed over, you are correct. You could have no connections to any known scammer, but still walk with the ISK.


Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 22:42:00 - [17]
 

Caldariftw123,

Yes I could be anybody I suppose. But I'm not. I am Yukon Kornelius, latest in an epic line of prospectors who have been mining since long before your great-great-to-the-Nth power ancestors even came to New Eden!

I mean can't you see the resemblance?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Yukon Kornelius


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Grandpappy to the Nth power. He used to keep Mrs. Claus warm one night a year.


-----------------------------------------

Breaker77,

Quote:
=Breaker77
No one in this forum NEEDS to invest in others. So we don't need an opportunity to invest.




Of course you don't need to invest. Just put all your ISK in a coffee can and bury it under the north pole. Then next year you'll still have all your ISK! But sadly, not a penny more. However, for hearty souls that have some excess capital just lying around and would like to earn some returns, investing is a good option if they can't put the ISK to work directly.

As for me being a Riethe or Xabier alt, well you are just kidding yourself if you think they would try to scam with an identity that could be linked to them. So it really makes no difference checking my wallet then, does it?

Now if you'll excuse me I have some peppermint ore that needs to be refined.

Cesar Menage
MenageTech
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:06:00 - [18]
 

all Bullsh** to the side

1bil bond pending an audit by a know MD auditer

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:26:00 - [19]
 

I take it silver and gold acts as a euphemism for isk and dollars, those two other forms of alternating currency? I can't see any other reason for coming here and starting a blatant scam, while hinting that people should invest nonetheless. [Sorry to interrupt the parade of MD alts who want to invest]. Rolling Eyes

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:59:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
I take it silver and gold acts as a euphemism for isk and dollars, those two other forms of alternating currency? I can't see any other reason for coming here and starting a blatant scam, while hinting that people should invest nonetheless. [Sorry to interrupt the parade of MD alts who want to invest]. Rolling Eyes


Not so Mr. Eternal! Silver and Gold means just that! Silver and Gold. I love the stuff, but you probably guessed that from my corp ticker right?

Anyways, remember that "ancient hologram precursor" that the medical tech extracted my personality from?

Well here's a little bit from that hologram that should clear up the issue of what silver and gold stand for!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9qsUA2g8EI&feature=player_detailpage#t=297s

Dethmourne Silvermane
Gallente
Origin.
Black Legion.
Posted - 2010.12.12 00:20:00 - [21]
 

You're wrong, trading is not a zero sum game.

It's a negative sum game, insofar as there is attrition involved and the heavier the "warfare" the lower the gain for the victor.

Sales Tax and Broker fees are certainly not going into a player's pocket.

Cesar Menage
MenageTech
Posted - 2010.12.12 01:02:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Liberty Eternal
I take it silver and gold acts as a euphemism for isk and dollars, those two other forms of alternating currency? I can't see any other reason for coming here and starting a blatant scam, while hinting that people should invest nonetheless. [Sorry to interrupt the parade of MD alts who want to invest]. Rolling Eyes

Hey I'm not an alt I am a main my mommy said so
Eunson over theres an alt Razz

Eunson
MenageTech
Posted - 2010.12.12 01:17:00 - [23]
 

Hey how u doing
Wait what Im an alt now Shocked
O Well he the bossCrying or Very sad

Strrog
Caldari
Zero Excavations
Posted - 2010.12.12 02:09:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Strrog on 12/12/2010 02:14:00
Edited by: Strrog on 12/12/2010 02:10:14
Why are you referring to Stealing Honest Speculation Group ?

So what are you planning on doing with the 5 bill isk trade with Caldari hookers or manufacturers contract or station trading or i saw a hint of mining ? lol

WTB comment from Stealing Honest guy.

Ya also audit does not just show what you do, but it shows if you can do what you claim you did, doing or gona do...

also I am gona do this and see what happens: /calls in Tekota Dread Perception.

Strrog
Caldari
Zero Excavations
Posted - 2010.12.12 02:19:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Caldariftw123,

Yes I could be anybody I suppose. But I'm not. I am Yukon Kornelius, latest in an epic line of prospectors who have been mining since long before your great-great-to-the-Nth power ancestors even came to New Eden!

I mean can't you see the resemblance?
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Yukon Kornelius


Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Grandpappy to the Nth power. He used to keep Mrs. Claus warm one night a year.


-----------------------------------------

Breaker77,

Quote:
=Breaker77
No one in this forum NEEDS to invest in others. So we don't need an opportunity to invest.




Of course you don't need to invest. Just put all your ISK in a coffee can and bury it under the north pole. Then next year you'll still have all your ISK! But sadly, not a penny more. However, for hearty souls that have some excess capital just lying around and would like to earn some returns, investing is a good option if they can't put the ISK to work directly.

As for me being a Riethe or Xabier alt, well you are just kidding yourself if you think they would try to scam with an identity that could be linked to them. So it really makes no difference checking my wallet then, does it?

Now if you'll excuse me I have some peppermint ore that needs to be refined.


Mate seriously you should chill on trolling, in btw your history description was not serious not even by a long shot

Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2010.12.12 02:27:00 - [26]
 

No rep + No past + No Audit = No Isk 4 U

Sorry m8... that's just the way it works.

Lederstrumpf
Posted - 2010.12.12 05:33:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

2) About Me



"Yukon Corneilius" created your corp about one week after entering EVE and left the corp after about a month, right after you joined and kept it alive since then. So Kornelius is an Alt of Corneilius. Actually both of them look like alts to me, as things aren't that obvious for most new players.

Within the last 8 days your corp founder "Yukon Corneilius" sold off around a dozen Noctis BPOs for 385m - "less than NPC sell price". He bought an Obelisk BPO and sold it for 80m less two days later. From a trading standpoint this doesn't look very convincing.

He bought single Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launchers in "packs" of 7 In 2010 and 2009. About nothing else on public contract.

According to standing comparison between Corneilius and Kornelius, the latter one seems to be a Jita trade Alt.

One hour after Bad Bobby confimed to "be" Titans4U you reserved shares worth 2b. Prior to that there were reservations for minor amounts only. You sent your money as one of the fastest payers, too:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=1#14
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=18#533

"This is my land - It is rich with gold - GOOOLD! Gold and Silver! Silver and Gold! --- *licks his axe* --- Nothing!"

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2010.12.12 07:21:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Cesar Menage
all Bullsh** to the side

1bil bond pending an audit by a know MD auditer


Just out of curiosity, are you still going ahead with your investment in this offering?

Yukon Kornelius
Posted - 2010.12.12 07:25:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Yukon Kornelius on 16/12/2010 23:12:00
Originally by: Lederstrumpf
Originally by: Yukon Kornelius

2) About Me



"Yukon Corneilius" created your corp about one week after entering EVE and left the corp after about a month, right after you joined and kept it alive since then. So Kornelius is an Alt of Corneilius. Actually both of them look like alts to me, as things aren't that obvious for most new players.

Within the last 8 days your corp founder "Yukon Corneilius" sold off around a dozen Noctis BPOs for 385m - "less than NPC sell price". He bought an Obelisk BPO and sold it for 80m less two days later. From a trading standpoint this doesn't look very convincing.

He bought single Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launchers in "packs" of 7 In 2010 and 2009. About nothing else on public contract.

According to standing comparison between Corneilius and Kornelius, the latter one seems to be a Jita trade Alt.

One hour after Bad Bobby confimed to "be" Titans4U you reserved shares worth 2b. Prior to that there were reservations for minor amounts only. You sent your money as one of the fastest payers, too:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=1#14
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1106485&page=18#533

"This is my land - It is rich with gold - GOOOLD! Gold and Silver! Silver and Gold! --- *licks his axe* --- Nothing!"



Fianlly! someone who sort of does his homework!
First of all, "ALT" is such a pejorative word don't you think? I prefer to think of myself as a "New and Improved"

Yukon Corneilius (note the spelling please) was in fact a "beta" of me that the med tech downloaded in his initial attempt. Some of the settings were a little off, so he came out looking all wrong, had an extra "i" in his name, and for some reason liked grinding missions more than mining, which is of course just wrong because everyone knows Yukon is a prospector.

So the med tech went back to the drawing board, adjusted the settings, and downloaded me into a blank clone whereupon I took up the leadership of Silver and Gold so as not to lose the elementally swell ticker of AgAu. "Yukon C" meanwhile went on to join a fairly small low-sec outfit named Angels Of Fury or something like that. AoF had a few strong players but leadership was lacking (I imagine this is the case for many smallish 40 plus sized corps) and eventually AoF basically folded when the CEO looted all the hangers and took off with most of everybody's stuff.

Strangely while I enjoy trading I've always hated missioning so I sometimes ring up Yukon C and have him sell stuff for me since his Jita standings are a tad better.

When I asked him about the Noctis BPO he said, "yeah, I sold those, but money was already made on them via production so it was no big deal to lose 5 million on a 390 million BPO." When I asked Yukon C about the Obelisk BPO he said,
Quote:
Tell Lederstrumpf to check his sources because I've never bought an Obelisk BPO and then resold it at a loss. Must have been some other Yukon but hey there's a lot of us out there.


Now about that Bad Bobby fiasco, yes I was in fact one of the first to put down a hefty deposit, which was only by the accident of me checking out the boards when the notice went up. I was heavily into NPC trading at the time, mostly moving piles of silicate glass and mech parts around, and had the free ISK available. I also knew a fair amount about T4U as it had been discussed in great detail prior to going live. This made it easier to pull the trigger with some loose ISK I had at the time. If you are in any way trying to insinuate that I am involved with Bad Bobby well, there just isn't enough tinfoil for your hat. If you are trying to pass me off as the shill that got the T4U bandwagon rolling I think everyone will see that that is just plain wrong. As if my share purchase could have swayed the market indeed. I also lost 2 bil in T4U

Liberty Eternal
Posted - 2010.12.12 07:30:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Liberty Eternal on 12/12/2010 07:30:39
Originally by: Yukon Kornelius
Now about that Bad Bobby fiasco, yes I was in fact one of the first to put down a hefty deposit, which was only by the accident of me checking out the boards when the notice went up.


This

Originally by: Yukone Kornelius
I also knew a fair amount about T4U as it had been discussed in great detail prior to going live.


and this, kind of contradict each other don't they?


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