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baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.11 08:59:00 - [31]
 

Misstress Iteron manages to solo in an iteron V. If an Iteron can do things you cannot in ships which are ment to pvp then you are doing something very wrong.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.11 09:25:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Misstress Iteron manages to solo in an iteron V. If an Iteron can do things you cannot in ships which are ment to pvp then you are doing something very wrong.

Same thing as the previous poster.

Solo pvp is not alive because you can trick some idiot in a BC with 7 cargo expanders and a full rack of mining lasers into attacking your can flipping Iteron.

Falls into the same category of not risking anything of value, not killing anything of value.

Show me someone who goes out, in something worth some sort of isk and gets solo kills in non-consentual PvP encounters.

baltec1
Posted - 2010.12.11 09:37:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: baltec1
Misstress Iteron manages to solo in an iteron V. If an Iteron can do things you cannot in ships which are ment to pvp then you are doing something very wrong.

Same thing as the previous poster.

Solo pvp is not alive because you can trick some idiot in a BC with 7 cargo expanders and a full rack of mining lasers into attacking your can flipping Iteron.

Falls into the same category of not risking anything of value, not killing anything of value.

Show me someone who goes out, in something worth some sort of isk and gets solo kills in non-consentual PvP encounters.


The iteron takes on much more than that. The point still stands, the iteron does a better job than you dispite not being a combat ship. You do not need to spend a massive amount of isk to have fun in eve.

Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
Posted - 2010.12.11 10:02:00 - [34]
 

lol, OP is trying to say he sucks at solo PvP.

I can link hundreds of battle reports of mine from the last few months of me going 100% solo (i.e. none of the **** you mention).

Just takes skill, patience... and a calm demeanor Laughing

Yvella
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.11 10:39:00 - [35]
 

The responses are a lot better than I thought they would be, and some quiet constructive commentary. I personally do not take a black and white view of solo being dead, I merely put over an extreme position to invite the community to provide thought and discussion.

Myself I do not expect to fight 1 vs 1, in E-HONOR fights. Such fights are rather dull and not what I would expect from Eve. Equally ganking poor sapps that cannot fight back, for me at least gets dull fast.

PVPPPPPPPPP is also a concept that I understand and enjoy, no feeling like murdering all the tackle that a gang sends at you, then warping out in structure.

My whining, was that as the numbers and increases, it is getting harder and harder to find gangs that can be tangled with solo. Also the point of e-war being able to completely shut out a solo player is very valid.

Zoolandah
Posted - 2010.12.11 11:22:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Zoolandah on 11/12/2010 11:25:21
I still manage too find solo pvp. Sure half the time i get ganked by gate camps, but meh, i have fun and its exciting; not too mention very rewarding when it all goes right.

So ok i end up with crappy stats but i had fun and thats what is important right?
Hell stats dont mean a lot really. Anyone can get frikken awesome stats its not hard at all. Just get in fleets and put one shot on every target and get on loads of killmails - job done. It doesnt really take much skill so yeah stats dont mean a lot really.

What matters is you get out there and have fun doing it. Lets face it youll never get any better at pvp if you dont get some practice at it.

Im crap i admit it but when i win im proud and when i loose well i enjoyed it anyway.

the long and the short is: PVP is like sex; even when its bad its good.

Chock Nurris
Posted - 2010.12.11 13:13:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: baltec1
Misstress Iteron manages to solo in an iteron V. If an Iteron can do things you cannot in ships which are ment to pvp then you are doing something very wrong.

Same thing as the previous poster.

Solo pvp is not alive because you can trick some idiot in a BC with 7 cargo expanders and a full rack of mining lasers into attacking your can flipping Iteron.

Falls into the same category of not risking anything of value, not killing anything of value.

Show me someone who goes out, in something worth some sort of isk and gets solo kills in non-consentual PvP encounters.


The iteron takes on much more than that. The point still stands, the iteron does a better job than you dispite not being a combat ship. You do not need to spend a massive amount of isk to have fun in eve.

The Iteron is crap. Old worn out battle badger crud. Think up something new and maybe you'll impress someone. Next.

Isaac Apylon
Lobster Adoption Agency
Posted - 2010.12.11 14:28:00 - [38]
 

Edited by: Isaac Apylon on 11/12/2010 14:29:18
Originally by: Infinity Ziona
That doesn't really strike me as soloing. Its more get a few kills before suiciding.

Frigate pvp is probably the most boring pvp a person can engage in other than blob warfare. There is no risk, no isk loss, nothing that I find enjoyable that I couldn't get faster dropping a can outside Rens trade hub. You have very limited targets you can kill, other frigs and fail fit worthless cruisers

It doesn't make me get the mouse shakeys that flying around in 2 billion isk ship does when I engage somebody. 2 billion hurts, it has ramifications, its worthwhile to try to avoid dying. At the same time using a real ship gives the opportunity to take on valuable ships, that drop valuable cargos and cause real damage to your opponent.

So I don't consider PvP is alive and well if your idea of PvP is frigate vs frigate, theres no risk to you or your opponent, not possibility of decent loot and losing is a certainty at some point throughout your roam.

I consider this form of PvP consensual dueling.


If you want consensual dueling, you're in the wrong damn game. I heard WoW has dueling. Might want to check that out.

And btw, there was no suicide involved with my described experiences; in each instance I engaged individuals one on one; I won a couple time and lost a couple times. Both losses resulted from strategic failures on my part.

And I haven't the slightest clue why you're bashing frigate pvp. There isn't another ship type of pvp in the game that hinges so completely on getting damn near everything right. Get too close to your heavily armed opponent, even for a moment? Death ensues. Get too far away? Lose point and lose your kill. get caught with a bad ammo choice? Die. Your atrocious lack of real buffer means that you have to take everything seriously and there is very little room for error. If that's not your thing, fine, but don't bash it as boring.

If you want to solo in expensive ships, fine, go do that, but don't whine that solo pvp is dead when it turns out that having isk doesn't make you into a solo pwnmobile. Learn to use your ship well and learn to engage long odds. I myself am not terribly good at that, but there are people who are. Ever see the Rocket Wizardy/Witchcraft/Wickedness? Oh look, a guy soloing around in an absurdly expensive ship and getting good kills. The fight where he basically takes out an entire bomber fleet is hilarious (and amazing). Ditto for the one where the people on the gate stop attacking because they watched all the people who engaged die. And there are plenty more examples of people going out in expensive ships and getting into great fights. Just go looking for them.

To me, it really sounds like you're whining that you can't spend a ton of isk and go out and **** people.

Edit: removed an 'either.'

Yvella
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.11 14:49:00 - [39]
 

My "whine" is more about the difficulty in finding reasonable fun fights, when your gang < 5 people. I don't care about loosing my ship, neither do I pimp excessively. However solo roaming in anything other than a Dramiel always ends in either a big blob killing or blocking. Often after hours of looking and using the map smartly.

Isaac Apylon
Lobster Adoption Agency
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:04:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Yvella
My "whine" is more about the difficulty in finding reasonable fun fights, when your gang < 5 people. I don't care about loosing my ship, neither do I pimp excessively. However solo roaming in anything other than a Dramiel always ends in either a big blob killing or blocking. Often after hours of looking and using the map smartly.


Sorry Yvella, the whining comment in my last post was directed at Infinity Ziona, not you. Although I would debate your assertion about the necessity of a Dram. Frigates are mobile enough to avoid the blobs and still get kills, so you can always try that. Eventual death is inevitable, since others can pvp you. The key is to evade said death and get some kills in the meantime. And as several posters, myself included, have already shown, such a thing is quite possible.

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:23:00 - [41]
 

Sassy B

Nuff Said.

Chisel Tan
Posted - 2010.12.11 16:41:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: baltec1
Misstress Iteron manages to solo in an iteron V. If an Iteron can do things you cannot in ships which are ment to pvp then you are doing something very wrong.

Same thing as the previous poster.

Solo pvp is not alive because you can trick some idiot in a BC with 7 cargo expanders and a full rack of mining lasers into attacking your can flipping Iteron.

Falls into the same category of not risking anything of value, not killing anything of value.

Show me someone who goes out, in something worth some sort of isk and gets solo kills in non-consentual PvP encounters.


Certainly not you, I see you are still hanging around highsec war deccing industrial corps and taking Mining Vexors on with your "2 billion isk" Proteus, and you then come on here moaning about a lack of solo PvP, methinks you are looking in the wrong places. Sure your ship is worth some sort of isk, but you're hardly killing anything of value.

Back to the OP's question though, solo PvP still happens, I know I try and get out into lowsec when I can for a bit even if it's just in a T1 ship I can happily throw into a fight I probably won't win. The trouble is with Eve being the game it is losses hurt so it is natural that people will try and swing the odds in their favour one way or another, having friends with you or backup not far away is one obvious way to do this.

I think Merdaneth has it spot on though, even if everyone flew round solo there would still be very few engagements simply because there is such a variety of ships and fittings that it is very rare that two people meet where a fight could go either way, and given that losses do hurt there are few people who will stick around if they feel they'll end up on the losing side.

SKuzz'Kunn
Posted - 2010.12.12 00:42:00 - [43]
 

I too enjoy masturbating

frog0ut
Posted - 2010.12.12 01:11:00 - [44]
 

Solo PVP is would be a lot more viable if ECM was balanced versus solo/small gangs than the current great in gangs and destroys anything and their dog if they are in a smaller gang

JacobsGladedage
Posted - 2010.12.12 01:21:00 - [45]
 

Solo pvp isn't dead, in fact there is probably more of it than ever considering how many people play now. Sure you can't take your t1 frigate or cruiser out for a spin and do anything but get ****d but the truth is that the glorified vision of fair almost duel styled fights between people never happened in eve-online unless it was agreed upon before it started.

So hanger that rifter and get in a ship which lets you engage on your terms and slip away before anyone catches you. Because let's face it, fighting unfair has been the core element of eve-online pvp since the beta.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.12 02:54:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 12/12/2010 03:09:26
Originally by: Isaac Apylon

If you want consensual dueling, you're in the wrong damn game. I heard WoW has dueling. Might want to check that out.

And btw, there was no suicide involved with my described experiences; in each instance I engaged individuals one on one; I won a couple time and lost a couple times. Both losses resulted from strategic failures on my part.

And I haven't the slightest clue why you're bashing frigate pvp. There isn't another ship type of pvp in the game that hinges so completely on getting damn near everything right. Get too close to your heavily armed opponent, even for a moment? Death ensues. Get too far away? Lose point and lose your kill. get caught with a bad ammo choice? Die. Your atrocious lack of real buffer means that you have to take everything seriously and there is very little room for error. If that's not your thing, fine, but don't bash it as boring.

If you want to solo in expensive ships, fine, go do that, but don't whine that solo pvp is dead when it turns out that having isk doesn't make you into a solo pwnmobile. Learn to use your ship well and learn to engage long odds. I myself am not terribly good at that, but there are people who are. Ever see the Rocket Wizardy/Witchcraft/Wickedness? Oh look, a guy soloing around in an absurdly expensive ship and getting good kills. The fight where he basically takes out an entire bomber fleet is hilarious (and amazing). Ditto for the one where the people on the gate stop attacking because they watched all the people who engaged die. And there are plenty more examples of people going out in expensive ships and getting into great fights. Just go looking for them.

To me, it really sounds like you're whining that you can't spend a ton of isk and go out and **** people.

Edit: removed an 'either.'

Frigate PvP involves no risk. It costs more in terms of time to recover (repair costs) to do battleground in WoW.

Its consensual frigate dueling. PvP in EvE is supposed to include non consensual hunting, in fact I believe the primary vision for EvE at its inception was non-consensual pvp yet its the least seen form of PvP unless it involves PPPPPPvP or PvIndustrial.

No whining, I'm simply stating a fact. Good, risky and profitable solo PvP is very difficult to get.

I do what I can with the time I have, in 2 billion isk ships, but the fact is, 99% of the time, when you get a fight that's not a hauler or just a 1 second gank, you get company that you cannot realistically handle and have to leave or die

And for every video of 1 guy 'pwning' some terrible fit newbs in a 1 v 10, how many 1 v 10 end in instant death? I'm guessing 99% of them.


Originally by: Chisel Tan

Certainly not you, I see you are still hanging around highsec war deccing industrial corps and taking Mining Vexors on with your "2 billion isk" Proteus, and you then come on here moaning about a lack of solo PvP, methinks you are looking in the wrong places. Sure your ship is worth some sort of isk, but you're hardly killing anything of value.

Yes and there I will stay. High sec wars are the only place to get actual and real non-consentual pvp. EvE is not about honorable, consentual, or fair PvP. Its about risk. Undocking solo, a 2 billion isk ship and flying around killing what you can vs 300-1000 war targets who are hunting you is indeed risk. It you are not hunting ships but rather dueling them then you are not playing EvE right imo.

As for the omens, I'm not going to NOT kill them if the opportunity presents itself.

SR65
Amarr
Core Impulse
Posted - 2010.12.12 04:21:00 - [47]
 

I think the real problem here is that people are so risk adverse. They are so afraid to lose anything sometimes that it's just sickening. Even as an outlaw, I have trouble getting people to engage me at a gate or on station.

I also find that it's a bigger problem getting people to just undock rather than running into a blob. Running through a system with 10-20 people in it and hitting the scan button to find nothing because all those hard core PVPers are docked up spinning ships.

Undock and play the game people, live a little. Stop worrying about those stupid KB stats and lose a ship sometime.

Selinate
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.12 05:24:00 - [48]
 

Compared to how solo PvP was doing when I first started playing the game (before this character was made, for the ****s who want to point that out), solo PvP is pretty much dead now. I'd think it to be a natural progression of the game for solo PvP to die out and fleets to take over, but I would like to see more of it, personally. Mostly because I don't want to have to deal with other people in this game. I mean, have you seen these forums????

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2010.12.12 05:31:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Misanth on 12/12/2010 05:32:43
Originally by: SR65
I think the real problem here is that people are so risk adverse. They are so afraid to lose anything sometimes that it's just sickening. Even as an outlaw, I have trouble getting people to engage me at a gate or on station.

I also find that it's a bigger problem getting people to just undock rather than running into a blob. Running through a system with 10-20 people in it and hitting the scan button to find nothing because all those hard core PVPers are docked up spinning ships.

Undock and play the game people, live a little. Stop worrying about those stupid KB stats and lose a ship sometime.


Pretty much that. EVE PvP was alot more expensive when we were young, but people also took those risks. Now that we're rich like mother****ers, we (general playerbase) moan and run and blob.

Tbh personally I feel killboards, more than CCP, ruined solo PvP. It's still out there, but the risk adverse mentality is a major issue that I doubt will get out of peoples head now. They just like their kb stats too much.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:05:00 - [50]
 

The irony is that the more blob-like you get the more skill takes a back seat the more random ship destruction becomes.

Take buffalo for example. Buffalo like blobbers, gather in herds for safety reasons. However the buffalo in EvE have guns mounted, and when two herds of EvE buffalo come together, random buffalo from each group are targeted by all the buffalo of the opposing group and destroyed in seconds.

Theres really no skill or module or ship that can negate this random destruction. So while blobbing is a safety measure, it actually negates any player skill and makes a decent kill / death ratio less likely since kill / death will be based more on luck.


Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
Posted - 2010.12.12 06:37:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
*snip*
Fight Fight, wearing the hurricane down, ignoring the rifter. More war targets appear in local. Jammed. No choice but to tank the gank till I can dock in station.
*snip*

Universe is to small for modern travel-technologies.. WTZ, 15-30secs per system warping, instant local intel

Make Eve bigger. Make travel times longer. We got jumpclones now, we don't need to be able to travel 50 systems within the hour per ship. Add more content to each starsystem..


Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:26:00 - [52]
 

Solo PVP is actually in decline. Its harder to find a target that does not have a metric ton of friends, or that won't hot drop you.

It does still happen, but it places more emphasis on being able to kite and gtfo if friends do arrive.

fanaka
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.12 13:41:00 - [53]
 

If the success you are having is making you sperge on the forums, you should perhaps go join the Test alliance blob of fail in Doril

Armageda XI
Posted - 2010.12.12 13:50:00 - [54]
 

Solo pvp is dead apart from ganking noob ratters.

to the idiots flaming and bull****ting, pick any ship you want and find some respectable 1v1 or even 1v2 fights. let me know when you find one if I am not dead by then.

Solo is F***ed, thanks ccp for making the game as blobby as possible just to get your epeen high of how cool your server is that it can handle 1000 spaceships together, then what?

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2010.12.12 14:52:00 - [55]
 

PVP in EVE is all about the numbers. If you want to win you need to have lots of friends - solo pvp died years ago and small gang warfare is next to drop off its perch, thanks pretty much to the nano-nerf.

I'm not whining that's just how it is: & this is how CCP want it.

C.


Otto Toten
Minmatar
The Real OC
Intergalactic Exports Group
Posted - 2010.12.12 16:07:00 - [56]
 

Solo pvp is fun, if you can find it and don't get ganked.

Pixelst0rm
Posted - 2010.12.12 16:33:00 - [57]
 

What made you think this game is about FAIR fights in the first place?
Its PvPPPPPPP most of the time indeed.

Also, solo bomber vs PVErs sounds like fun.

Ava Starfire
Minmatar
Teraa Matar
Posted - 2010.12.12 17:00:00 - [58]
 

I solo (in a rifter no less) all the time.

No, I do not care about my BC stats. I care about having fun.

No, I cannot mindlessly engage everything I see on dscan.

Yes, I have to actually do more than click "orbit, F1"

Yes, some days I fly around for a few hours and find nothing. Other days, I get into 5 squirrelfights in an hour.

Yes, I can run 99% of gatecamps.

Yes, solo pvp means fighting at a disadvantage most of the time; it is a rush when I go against 2 or 3 other people and destroy all of them, when i take obvious bait, kill it, and get out, or when i destroy a ship above my class. And if i dont...who cares? Its a rifter.

If you expect to be able to roll around in a "OMGSOLOPWNMOBILE!" and faceroll and destroy everyone you meet, then yes, solo is dead. For you.

nMeh
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.12 17:53:00 - [59]
 

Back in 2004 you could solo **** everything in a battleship. But now the average 0.0 group got better, more coordinated with each region having their own coalition.

Removing local from 0.0 would make this game far more interesting than any other change. Kills macros and makes pvp far better with one change.

If you want easy solo pvp I suggest wardecs. All the cruisers and ****fit BS you can kill with your t2 fitted slaved battleship.

xtLoveBird
KewlTherm Enterprises
DEFI4NT
Posted - 2010.12.12 18:18:00 - [60]
 

defiant is always willing to 1v1 anyone, anytime, anywhere.


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