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Zilabeth Vomarr
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zilabeth Vomarr on 10/12/2010 17:23:55
Edited by: Zilabeth Vomarr on 10/12/2010 17:03:38 for Meme-lessness


With the skills rebate looming one of the thing's I'm looking at is training up for a Tengu (I have all the prerequisites already) but after much looking I'm not sure how best, or most interestingly, to use it. I have a CNR, Nighthawk, and Rattlesnake, so I'm not short of missioning/ratting ships.

With the Noctis now plying the spacelanes the use of a Tengu as a "super-salvager" pretty much seems like a waste of isk.

I know that a Tengus, as well as other T3's, can be fit out as un-probable "command ships" and that might be cool.

I've also heard people speak approvingly of Tengu's as "all-in-one" high/low/null sec exploration ships, and frankly this might be the most interesting use I've heard of, my scanning skills are already very high.

How do you do with your old Tengu (and how high do your subcomponent skills need to be for that use)?

Thanks for the feedback!


Ra Jackson
PILSGESCHWADER
Monkey Circus
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:51:00 - [2]
 

Sleeper sites.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:59:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr
(I all the prerequisites already)

New Meme has been noted.
Originally by: Ra Jackson
Sleeper sites.

To expand on this, for higher level sites they use multible Tengu's spidertanking to complete them. They have an RR Subsystem for sheilds.

Zilabeth Vomarr
Posted - 2010.12.10 18:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Alara IonStorm

To expand on this, for higher level sites they use multible Tengu's spidertanking to complete them. They have an RR Subsystem for sheilds.



Are Tengu's used because their configurablility offers some special capability, or just because they are a little tougher than say spider-tanking Nighthawks for instance?

Regat Kozovv
Caldari
Alcothology
Posted - 2010.12.10 20:16:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr
Originally by: Alara IonStorm

To expand on this, for higher level sites they use multible Tengu's spidertanking to complete them. They have an RR Subsystem for sheilds.



Are Tengu's used because their configurablility offers some special capability, or just because they are a little tougher than say spider-tanking Nighthawks for instance?


I'd like to know this as well. I haven't yet found a need for a T3 when I can do most things fine with a BC or HAC. What's the selling point?

superteds
Posted - 2010.12.10 20:34:00 - [6]
 

Mining obviously


[Tengu, Mining]
Co-Processor II
Co-Processor II
Expanded Cargohold II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II
Miner II

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I

Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Tengu Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

Zyress
Posted - 2010.12.10 21:48:00 - [7]
 

Picking up hot chicks at the pleasure hub...

Moneyhungryhoe
Posted - 2010.12.11 00:51:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Moneyhungryhoe on 11/12/2010 00:55:52
I suicide gank Retrievers in my Tengu.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.11 02:02:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Target Painter on 11/12/2010 02:02:17
Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr

Are Tengu's used because their configurablility offers some special capability, or just because they are a little tougher than say spider-tanking Nighthawks for instance?


Not a little, quite a lot, while putting out more DPS. But mostly I prefer them for unprobable mission-running.

Zilabeth Vomarr
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:01:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Target Painter
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/12/2010 02:02:17
But mostly I prefer them for unprobable mission-running.


OK, that's a good one. Running missions and plexes in low/null sec and being unprobable.

Is this the only thing anyone can come up with?


Seriously Bored
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:18:00 - [11]
 

I entered one in a Schutzhund competition. It scored really well, but was disqualified for not being a dog. :(

I'm going to try Punkin' Chunkin' with it next.

Kneebone
K-H Light Industries
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Seriously Bored
I'm going to try Punkin' Chunkin' with it next.


Forum quote of the day! Much love for Pumkin Chunkin!

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:38:00 - [13]
 

Tengu is certainly not a super HAC with agility of an AF, tank of a BS and dps of a commandship.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:43:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Moneyhungryhoe
Edited by: Moneyhungryhoe on 11/12/2010 00:55:52
I suicide gank Retrievers in my Tengu.


I suicide gank Tengus in my Reriever.

Drago Katsov
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.13 18:54:00 - [15]
 

You can set it up to be a Covert Logi if you want to use covert cyno sneekyness.

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.12.13 20:10:00 - [16]
 

I like the 100mn ab pvp fits Twisted Evil

Kail Storm
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:34:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
I like the 100mn ab pvp fits Twisted Evil


This TBH.

Fit 5 Launchers 3 BCS, the 50% Bonused AB Mod a T2 100mn AB and you get a...

550 DPS@113km [NH DMG] with a 1300 m/s Straight Line speed, with a tiny sig and burly tank, and BS`s cant touch you, webbing brings you to 600 m/s Scrams dont work...Its a ***** to kill if you have a few buddies who supporting you, I love running Pest gangs with my AB-GU, they kill stuff fast and you are about the same Align Razz

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.13 22:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Target Painter
Edited by: Target Painter on 11/12/2010 02:02:17
Originally by: Zilabeth Vomarr

Are Tengu's used because their configurablility offers some special capability, or just because they are a little tougher than say spider-tanking Nighthawks for instance?


Not a little, quite a lot, while putting out more DPS. But mostly I prefer them for unprobable mission-running.


I know you can make em unprobable; but for missions as well? I would like to see such a setup.

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2010.12.13 23:08:00 - [19]
 

Covops, nullified, unprobable, insta-aligning scout / smack-talker / AFK cloaker.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.14 00:03:00 - [20]
 

As Pingu's long lost brother in a film... ?

Doctor Cow
Posted - 2010.12.14 09:45:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Kail Storm
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
I like the 100mn ab pvp fits Twisted Evil


This TBH.

Fit 5 Launchers 3 BCS, the 50% Bonused AB Mod a T2 100mn AB and you get a...

550 DPS@113km [NH DMG] with a 1300 m/s Straight Line speed, with a tiny sig and burly tank, and BS`s cant touch you, webbing brings you to 600 m/s Scrams dont work...Its a ***** to kill if you have a few buddies who supporting you, I love running Pest gangs with my AB-GU, they kill stuff fast and you are about the same Align Razz


How does that fit look like?

fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
Posted - 2010.12.14 11:05:00 - [22]
 

PvP in 100mn or 10mn afterburner fit.

reasonably agile, decent buffer, good dps, good speed.

tank much better than you think it is due to afterburner and low sig.

ZeJesus
Posted - 2010.12.14 14:23:00 - [23]
 


Excellent bait.


Limdood
Posted - 2010.12.14 16:42:00 - [24]
 

i mission in my tengu. While a golem would be similar in power and be able to salvage, the long train time for the golem, combined with the annoyance of slowboating through those 50km distant gates makes me stick with tengu.

i HAM fit by tengu
~900 dps out to about 24km with 6 terror rage HAMs and a target painter (faction BCUs)
goes 672 m/s without overheating the AB, so range is rarely a problem
can tank pretty much everything with a small pith b-type booster, boost amp, and 2 hardeners

Lugalzagezi666
Posted - 2010.12.14 16:49:00 - [25]
 

I heard mwd/hml kiting tengu is interesting to fly.

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.14 17:33:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
I know you can make em unprobable; but for missions as well? I would like to see such a setup.


[Tengu, Ninja PvE]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II
Gravimetric Backup Array II
Gravimetric Backup Array II

Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Large Shield Booster II
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

This was my setup. Tanks decently enough against most, replaced the T2 invul with a T2 photon against laser rats. 430 DPS with Scourge, 551 DPS with Scourge Fury. Common sense applies: use the Fury until someone pops into local, overheat your ECCMs and unload it. Or if you are close to completion, just leave your ECCMs overheated, you are still unprobable that way and ECCMs are slow to heat.

If you are less paranoid, you can drop the second backup sensor array for another BCS and only need to overheat ECCMs and unload once probes are on overview, since it would take a max-skilled char, in a max-bonused ship with faction probes to find you at that point (1.07 ratio). 584 DPS with scourge fury with that setup, 450ish (but still unprobable) with T1.

Of course, this thing doesn't have a cloak, nor is it nullified, so make sure you have a scout, instant undocks, bounces, safespots, etc. Basic 0.0 stuff, common sense applies, etc. I used mine with a stealth bomber for scouting and additional DPS in the mission.

If you feel comfortable dualboxing, it's a pretty good setup.

Vanilmirth
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.14 17:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Target Painter
.


Are implants required for this setup?

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.14 18:17:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Vanilmirth
Originally by: Target Painter
.


Are implants required for this setup?


No.

Derekian
Percone
Posted - 2010.12.14 20:39:00 - [29]
 

This has more dps, and 3 sec allign. With Talon, it is unprobeable with Fury missiles

[Tengu, New Setup 1 copy 1]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Invulnerability Field II
Pith B-Type Ballistic Deflection Field
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I

Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile

Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Medium Low Friction Nozzle Joints II

Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay
Tengu Propulsion - Intercalated Nanofibers

Target Painter
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.14 21:07:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Target Painter on 14/12/2010 21:07:58
Originally by: Derekian
This has more dps, and 3 sec allign. With Talon, it is unprobeable with Fury missiles


I heard there were some issues with sensor strength enhancing implants not working with the sensor strength subs on T3s. That's why I avoided using them, other than Halos (which had other uses).


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