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IndustrieJunky
Posted - 2010.12.11 14:01:00 - [31]
 

CCP stop macro users!

Mike TheMiner
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:25:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Your Client
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 10/12/2010 13:45:27
GTC was about 300 mil for 30 days


Did you mean 30 Day PLEX? Not GTC?

OMFG if GTC went that low recently, i would of bought them ALL!!!11!


i remember paying 250 for 30 day GTC's, im betting they were even cheaper than that.
In response to the OP i dont care about the rising prices, its the margin traders to blame alot of the time too, not that i care i wouldnt mine paying 1 bil per month, per account, still wouldnt dent my wallet.

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:40:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.



/agree

Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2010.12.11 18:10:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.

in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro

Read his post again. Emphasis added.
*resists making comment about plankton again so soon after the previous one*


single cell creatures don't have very big brains

Foofad
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.11 18:22:00 - [35]
 

THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH

William Cooly
Sol Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.11 19:22:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Foofad
THE PLEX IS TOO DAMN HIGH

FYP
<3 U

Rhedea
Rhedea Corp
Posted - 2010.12.11 21:35:00 - [37]
 

I sold 4 for 390 eachVery Happy I feel sorry for those who don't price it high enough to squeeze the market till it squeals, just love the emo tears in this post.YARRRR!!

Artemis Rose
Clandestine Vector
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2010.12.11 23:32:00 - [38]
 

I know the nerdrage about botters is incredibly high right now, but don't forgot it is an item on the market that can be manipulated.

Add in to the fact that people who buy them usually NEED to buy them to play the game means you have a lot of leeway to raise the prices.

Ah screw it, its GD afterall... OMFG LIKE OMFG BAN BOTZ OMFG

Rat Mcgee
Posted - 2010.12.12 07:27:00 - [39]
 

CCP needs to stop macro miners!

Ashen Angel
Minmatar
Scarey Contractors
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:51:00 - [40]
 

I'm sure the real world economy and the value of the real money spent to buy the game time cards has nothing at all to do with how they are being valued in game

After all when 30$ can only halfway fill a tank rather than mostly fill it people are not going to adjust the value of things they buy to sell in game a bit higher.

Shadow Nebulae
Posted - 2010.12.12 12:53:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT

Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.

Brian Ballsack
Posted - 2010.12.12 14:36:00 - [42]
 

lol @ the people that think macro miners are to blame for the high price of PLEX.
The margin traders have more to do with the price than the macros do, if PLEX appear cheap on the market, they are snapped up and resold at a higher price.

Lex Alandar
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2010.12.12 15:32:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT

Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.


Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.

Get your facts straight.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.12.12 15:43:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Brian Ballsack
lol @ the people that think macro miners are to blame for the high price of PLEX.
The margin traders have more to do with the price than the macros do, if PLEX appear cheap on the market, they are snapped up and resold at a higher price.


Replace PLEX with anything that sells on the market and this statement retains some truth, plenty of people are happy to buy under priced items for any number of reasons that don't always include reselling them.


Shadow Nebulae
Posted - 2010.12.12 15:54:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:58
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:23
Originally by: Lex Alandar
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT

Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.


Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.

Get your facts straight.
The someone is the legit player. Not the macro. They do not pay anything to CCP.

You fail to understand that GTC's aren't purchased from retail sellers by need of macros. They are purchased for the reason that is the ISK need for legit player.

Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.

Without this increased demand made by macros, the supply of GTC's would still be the same. Infact it could be even larger due you would need more GTC's to get let's say 10 B ISK. And that would feed the deflation.

Macros don't affect into GTC supply or CCP's monthly income. PLEX or GTC price doesn't matter. CCP gets the same amount of real money no matter what the ISK price for PLEX or GTC is.

Bhattran
Posted - 2010.12.12 16:47:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:58
Edited by: Shadow Nebulae on 12/12/2010 15:54:23
Originally by: Lex Alandar
Originally by: Shadow Nebulae
Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.
QFT

Anyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.


Anyone who doesn't realise that SOMEBODY had to pay for that plex from CCP is idiot. CCP still gets paid for people who fund their account with plex, just indirectly, by the people who sell the plex. Farmers/macros may not pay, but that doesn't mean CCP gets shorted. I mean, that's the whole freakin point of the GTC system.

Get your facts straight.
The someone is the legit player. Not the macro. They do not pay anything to CCP.

You fail to understand that GTC's aren't purchased from retail sellers by need of macros. They are purchased for the reason that is the ISK need for legit player.

Macros create the larger demand, wich is pushing the price upwards.

Without this increased demand made by macros, the supply of GTC's would still be the same. Infact it could be even larger due you would need more GTC's to get let's say 10 B ISK. And that would feed the deflation.

Macros don't affect into GTC supply or CCP's monthly income. PLEX or GTC price doesn't matter. CCP gets the same amount of real money no matter what the ISK price for PLEX or GTC is.


Correct the party buying a plex in game doesn't pay ccp anything but they do redeem the plex which is a 'guarantee' to service for 30 days and removing it helps raise the price of plex in game, more demand of plex in game drives that price up.

Outside buyers of GTC will get more isk for their sold plex with larger demand ingame, smaller demand means more plex pile up and their isk price decreases. However less isk for PLEX makes RMT more attractive in the $ for isk conversion rate, which might effect the purchase of GTC for CCP, so in a way botting helps CCP by removing PLEX ingame and making GTC more competitive with RMT isk.

Also when bots get banned they lose out on the remainder of their 30 day PLEX used to activate/maintain the account so CCP gets to 'profit' based on the gametime they didn't have to deliver, they've already gotten paid when it was bought but when they ban an account using PLEX they got out of the 'promise' of the full 30days the PLEX represented.

So I don't see it as clear cut as, macros don't affect CCP's income, that PLEX price (ingame isk) doesn't matter, CCP's income from GTC does has some relevance to what the return of real money to isk conversion rate is otherwise everyone would just use GTC and RMT wouldn't have much if any business selling isk. People, one would think, buy RMT isk because they don't know any better, can't for whatever reason buy GTC/subscribe, or are primarily driven by the real money to isk conversion rate.


Clone 1
Posted - 2010.12.12 16:52:00 - [47]
 

This thread is special.

Dirk Swan
Posted - 2010.12.13 00:18:00 - [48]
 

Keep up the good work Eric!

Dirk Swan
Posted - 2010.12.14 07:15:00 - [49]
 

Thank you macro users for causing higher PLEX prices!

Matt Douglass
Posted - 2010.12.14 10:26:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: Julian Assagne
Cry moar, i for one Welcome these High Prices Cool (me selling plex to general whiners like you)

-Julian Assagne
CEO of EVELeaks


dude how ***gotish is that ? your nick and 'eve leaks' thing ?
Damnit dude that's just totally rediculous. You MUST be 12 years old or something.

Kendon Riddick
Posted - 2010.12.14 11:10:00 - [51]
 

gotaa love the irony behind botters buying the plexes to fund their bots to make the isk to sell RMT on ebay.

Legitamising the only factor of 'illegal' botting ccp care about.

The dumb ebay isk buying newbs get banned and the RMT bott happy funkwits get a free ride to their cash cow.

I do hope this was the way ccp planned it *tinfoil fail moment*

Rat Mcgee
Posted - 2010.12.15 09:59:00 - [52]
 

CCP please kill all these macro users. I cant afford to buy PLEX because of them.

Jennifer Starling
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.15 10:55:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 15/12/2010 10:55:59
Originally by: Rat Mcgee
CCP please kill all these macro users. I cant afford to buy PLEX because of them.

You may be right.

I was in the newb channel with an alt and some RMT spammed that you get 1 billion ISK for the same price as a PLEX cost in EVE now. I'm sure people will sell more plexes if they can't buy ISK that way anymore so there would be more supply --> prices will drop.
Next to that, macro users won't have ISK to buy plexes anymore so the demand will also drop so again, prices wil drop.

If people won't get a lot of ISK for their plexes though, less will want to buy them from CCP. If you only get 50 million ISK for $17.50 it's far less attractive to buy them.

Not sure where the new supply/demand equilibrium will be.

SargeantNekkid DDS
Posted - 2010.12.15 11:27:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Clone 1
Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Clone 1
I play this game only through plex and I can tell you, the higher the cost of the plex the better it is for eve-online and worse it is for the macros. It makes it harder for them to make real money.
The higher the isk return for plex, the more likely someone will sell a plex to get isk rather than use a isk seller.



in terms of percents, +/-100m (even 200m) in plex price hardly makes a difference to a 23/7 macro


Before GTC sales were introduced, 100mill isk was getting around $30, In 2006 100mil sold on ebay for approx $15, now today you can get approx 370mill for your legimitate plex/$15 (someone can correct me here if my plex/$ is incorrect) and that shows the trend. So today isk sellers are trying to sell 1bill isk for $25 or appox 600mill isk for $15, that is 12 times more isk than before gtcs were introduced. That is more than a few percent, that is sweet progress. An isk seller will have to mine 12 times longer, to get the same $ return than they would have before gtcs/plex.


Not really. You're going back to the days before:
1) Hulks/Orcas/etc. (i.e. back when supply was lower)
2) Cap ships (i.e. back when demand was lower)

Higher demand + higher supply = more volume. More volume + time = inflation.

Captain Rex2010
Posted - 2010.12.15 11:33:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Eric Garvin
Edited by: Eric Garvin on 10/12/2010 13:18:58
The reason PLEX prices are so high is because of macro miners. These macro using players buy hundreds or maybe thousands of PLEX and make the prices go sky high. Some of you players may not care about macro users but I bet you care about the high price of PLEX when you want to buy one.


That doesn't follow normal market trends, where high demand and plenty of supply should mean falling prices.

Michwich
Posted - 2010.12.15 11:45:00 - [56]
 

Edited by: Michwich on 15/12/2010 11:53:01
Edited by: Michwich on 15/12/2010 11:51:34
Plex prices are a reflection of the state of the game. When things are going good plex will be cheap. Its like real life economics. When everyones buying and volume is high, sellers can afford to sell for cheap. When volume is low, (no ones buying) sellers can afford to sell high to make up for lack of volume. I know nothing about economics and its formulas, but this seems common sense to me. Correct me if im wrong.

EDIT

I shouldnt say this game economics is like real life, in real life supply is always limited, in this game CCP can materialize plex whenever it wants, therefore its unlimited. So we can safely say that whatever happens in real life economics regarding prices , just take the inverse and we have eve ecomomics. Plex prices arent high because of high demand and low supply, theyre high because of low demand and unlimited suply. If anything botters should drive the price down.

Spc One
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.15 13:25:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Your Client

You are confused...

The following is about what the old prices for a GTC were once:
30 Days = 175 mil
90 Days = 300 mil

This is atleast what i remember right before CCP switched to 60 day GTC. I may be giving a greater value on the GTC were worth, not more. ALSO remember, 30, 60, and 90 day PLEX were coexistant for some time after 60 days were introduced. The 60 days GTC heavily increased the price of the 30 and 90 days shortly after 60 days came out. I have never seen a 30 day plex for 300 mil.

I'll take 2 of what you're drinking.

Not really.
I got a 30day GTC for 93mil before 90 days GTC's were removed.
So it was something like that back then:

30day GTC = 93mil
90day GTC = 270mil

Krollin
Minmatar
Bi'Atch Inc
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2010.12.15 13:51:00 - [58]
 

Imo Unholy Rage was a PR stunt, it is something that should happen on a more regular basis. This is not a new issue for EVE - its been around for years.

Mission, Mineral, rat and 0.0 Farmers all contribute to the market fluctuations - be it good or bad - looking at the GTC forum you can easily spot the stupidly named characters buying up the GTC's for their accounts.

These accounts play 23/7 - it can't be that hard to see how long a single account is online for and any character that is playing 23/7 for more than a few days is clearly being shared or being used for illegal EVE activities.

After a recent business trip to China I was shown a local paper, within it there were adverts asking for people to work for companies who pay anywhere from $15-$20 for 1billion ISK. These companies have huge facilities that are stacked with computers and they run 24/7 (Its not just EVE they do it too).

Its an industry wide problem and sadly there is little that can be done. We can gank them in high sec, invade their missions and generally annoy them, but since our time is limited on EVE they will always have the upper hand.

The answer - live with it and try and avoid buying contracts, PLEX, GTC from obvious farmer types - oh and ofc report all wrong doers to CCP so they can ban them Rolling Eyes

Kro

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.15 14:21:00 - [59]
 

Does anyone have a good explanation why the price level for implants has stayed roughly the same since Unholy Rage?

Joss56
Gallente
Unleashed' Fury
Posted - 2010.12.15 14:27:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Joss56 on 15/12/2010 14:35:34
Originally by: Shadow NebulaeAnyone who thinks that macroplayers would actually bring ANY real currency to CCP is idiot. They create free trials and turn them into real accounts with PLEX. They keep the farming going with PLEX.[/quote


This is wy you should be abble to train equaly 3 char in the same account, if you want to boxx or farm at the same time then you have to purchase other accounts, but it should be much easy to find bots.

Most players use another account to:

Spy other corps

Scout in rookie ships keeping neutrality and so neutralise several tactical options

Farm some minerals - even if i still think it's completly dumb speacialy in high sec/low sec

Train another character for another kind of gameplay then fpsomgshooteverythinginmyscreen

Make isk by selling trained char

Bot for isk while you watching you****


Choose yours Laughing


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