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Cournai
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:03:00 - [31]
 

It is free so can't complain much... but disappointing. ugh

Lord Wamphyri
Amarr
Starside Lost
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:04:00 - [32]
 

Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.

Free is a good thing.

FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!

So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP! Smile

Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:09:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Phaedriel


Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...


Yes, i understand that.

But you're confusing a *free gift* with *game-altering changes to the core of EVE Online*, which belongs on the Features & Ideas board. The time involved on creating and implementing this new ship will be minimal compared to the time involved in changing, testing, rechanging, retesting and implementing a game-changing feature.

Yes, many will probably still use a cov-ops frig for hacking, but i believe that it would be downright stupid of anyone to start comparing the Echelon to anything until we actually have our pods inside one to sit and play around with. You don't have a clue as to what the Echelon will actually be like until then, so how's about leaving comparisons until after that point?

An awful lot of people in here seem to be conveniently forgetting about the mindblowing usefulness of the Noctis too, considering much of the community spent a long long time badgering CCP to include a dedicated salvaging ship.

Tarasina
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:10:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Lord Wamphyri
Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.

Free is a good thing.

FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!

So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP! Smile


It cost CCP time, time not spent bugfixing etc. I'd have rather seen them fix 2 bugs than this ship which was a waste of time and energy.

Dr Fighter
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:11:00 - [35]
 

I bet ccp staff are peeing themselfs ovet this thread "hahaha i told you we shouldnt have wound them up so much for this silly frig, but the tears oh god the delicous tears so funny, what a bunch of mugs..." etc


Tarasina
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:13:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Reicine Ceer
Originally by: Phaedriel


Yes, it's free. Yes, it's crap. But... CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people. I'm not complaining that what I got was crap, I'm complaining that what they spent time on resulted in something 99% likely to be totally useless. I doubt anyone will use this for hacking, they will use a cov-ops or whatever they used before, because it can fit more than 1 module...


Yes, i understand that.

But you're confusing a *free gift* with *game-altering changes to the core of EVE Online*, which belongs on the Features & Ideas board. The time involved on creating and implementing this new ship will be minimal compared to the time involved in changing, testing, rechanging, retesting and implementing a game-changing feature.

Yes, many will probably still use a cov-ops frig for hacking, but i believe that it would be downright stupid of anyone to start comparing the Echelon to anything until we actually have our pods inside one to sit and play around with. You don't have a clue as to what the Echelon will actually be like until then, so how's about leaving comparisons until after that point?

An awful lot of people in here seem to be conveniently forgetting about the mindblowing usefulness of the Noctis too, considering much of the community spent a long long time badgering CCP to include a dedicated salvaging ship.


More along the lines of the Zephyr but even less useful. Think free shuttle, not anything as useful as Noctis.

Jaqel Broadside
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:13:00 - [37]
 

Well it's free so yay ! a bit,,,

I was hoping for at least some snow balls,, they were at least some fun,, this is well,, useless,,,

Hmm I wonder what it reprocesses into ?

It might actually be funny if it would loadup as ammo for a Dreadnaught or something,,

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:14:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Dr Fighter
I bet ccp staff are peeing themselfs ovet this thread "hahaha i told you we shouldnt have wound them up so much for this silly frig, but the tears oh god the delicous tears so funny, what a bunch of mugs..." etc



I am sure CCP is having a big laugh, the marketing department on the otherhand.

They are on the Roof if you want to speak to them. Laughing

Skram
Armored Elite
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:14:00 - [39]
 

I have no complaints over free stuff. Thank you CCP, I will continue to give you my monies.

Reicine Ceer
Rodents of Unusual Size
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:17:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Reicine Ceer on 09/12/2010 16:19:39
Originally by: Tarasina


More along the lines of the Zephyr but even less useful. Think free shuttle, not anything as useful as Noctis.


Please re-read my previous posts again. Slower this time, and if you like you can ask me to elaborate on any points you didn't fully grasp, or i can help you figure out the words that are longer than 3 syllables.

Also, yes snowballs woulda been fun but im hoping they give them back to us when they make it possible to see the snow all over ships. Turning a freighter into a giant snowman would be a giggle.

Trader Gandry
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:19:00 - [41]
 

To all those who complain about wanting bugs fixed instead of this ship.

Do you "smart" people even know that those who designed this ship are a whole other group of people than those who work on bugs?

They didn't take any manpower away from bughunting to make and implement this ship.

Yes you got a free ship and yes it might not be the ultimate wtfpwn mobile you wanted. There is no reason for CCP to put an I-Win button on a ship and then give the ship away for free.

Heck, CCP should just quit giving free stuff cause the majority of the whiners has a mouth big enough to rotate a Titan in and still have room for more. No matter what you stuff into it they will keep yapping for more.



Tornan
Minmatar
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:21:00 - [42]
 

thanks ccp. looking forward to it.Very Happy

KaarBaak
Minmatar
Seatec Astronomy
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Hivsen Ng
Originally by: Tyber Zaan
ITT: People complaining about a free gift and how they wanted more.Laughing

Of course, it's like when you were 8.
And your parents have been telling you how good you were throughout the year, you score high 90's in your school tests, and get your spellings right for a grade A+. Your parents tell you they're going to get you something amazing for christmas.
You've always been hoping for that Gameboy with Mario brothers.

The gift arrived, and is placed under the christmas tree. It's a smallish box sized, so it seems likely to be a gameboy.
25th arrives, and you run down the stairs to open that gift.

You feel the delight about to explode in your mind. Wrappers gone, box is upside down.

You got a pair of mittens for Christmas.

GG parents.


But they're mittens! MITTENS! Look...they cover your hands and your fingers can stay warm. They're mittens! You like mittens.

MITTENS!

KB

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:22:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Muad ''dib on 09/12/2010 16:22:41
Originally by: Trader Gandry
To all those who complain about wanting bugs fixed instead of this ship.

Do you "smart" people even know that those who designed this ship are a whole other group of people than those who work on bugs?

They didn't take any manpower away from bughunting to make and implement this ship.

Yes you got a free ship and yes it might not be the ultimate wtfpwn mobile you wanted. There is no reason for CCP to put an I-Win button on a ship and then give the ship away for free.

Heck, CCP should just quit giving free stuff cause the majority of the whiners has a mouth big enough to rotate a Titan in and still have room for more. No matter what you stuff into it they will keep yapping for more.





would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?

what now smarty pants?


Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:23:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:24:40
Originally by: Phaedriel
CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people.
No.
Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?
Highly unlikely, since there is next to no balance considerations with this ship.

Trader Gandry
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:26:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?

what now smarty pants?


Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!



Now please point where 5th sub set is the same as bugfixing and we can talk, till then just keep meep meeping

Muad 'dib
Caldari
The Imperial Fedaykin
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:28:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Muad ''dib on 09/12/2010 16:57:08
Originally by: Trader Gandry
Originally by: Muad 'dib
would these people happen to be the same people that should have brought us the promised 5th sub set?

what now smarty pants?


Heh see you in space in your new lol-mobile, meep meep!



Now please point where 5th sub set is the same as bugfixing and we can talk, till then just keep meep meeping


I was reffering to the ccp dudes who made this ship, those ship designers make the subs and the same people who gave the bonuses and stats to this ship are the same people who would be balecing the stats and bonuses of the new subs, ya?

enterprisePSI
Unimatrix 0.1
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:30:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Lord Wamphyri
Well I for one am looking forward to receiving my FREE gift.

Free is a good thing.

FFS it's not like it's costing anyone anything, CCP didn't have to give us anything!

So from me, a big THANK YOU to CCP! Smile

Phaedriel
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:31:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:24:40
Originally by: Phaedriel
CCP spent TIME designing and implimenting the ruddy thing. Time that could have been used on one of the thousand things that we actually suggested would improve the game for a lot of people.
No.


Thank you for your insightful insight.

What I conclude from this is that there is a department of CCP staff with nothing better to do that roll out useless items. I'm not suggesting that the people who made this are the people who fix bugs. I'm suggesting that man hours were taken up to do this, and that if those man hours were allocated to people who give nothing to the game then perhaps they would be better invested in people who CAN fix things.

I've read many of your posts and agreed/disagreed according to my own views, but the one constant is that the discussions tend to go on forever with no-one changing views so shall we say 'we disagree with each other' and not turn this into a massive back and forth? Forum PvP is so CAOD ;)

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:32:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 09/12/2010 16:40:23
Originally by: Muad 'dib
I was reffering to the ccp dudes who made this ship, those ship designers make the subs and the same people who gave the bonuses and stats to this ship are the same people who would be balecing the stats and bonuses of the new subs, ya?
When they presented the T3s, the design for the 5th subsystem was already in the matrix, and the stat design for this ship comes down to "copy → paste". They new module would have required more work than the ship in that regard… so yeah, that's a coffee break gone. Wink
Originally by: Phaedriel
I'm suggesting that man hours were taken up to do this, and that if those man hours were allocated to people who give nothing to the game then perhaps they would be better invested in people who CAN fix things.
Again, no. They have to keep those people around for when something in line with their skills is added — if they were replaced by people with different skill sets whenever there was a lull in their work load, they would simply stop showing up and CCP would soon find it impossible to draw that kind of talent. So we'd just stop getting anything new. Ever.

Oh, and they do give something to the game: this frigate, for instance.

edit: less simply.

Jaqel Broadside
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:32:00 - [51]
 

I just cannot resist this,, meep, meep,, LMAO ! Laughing

U know this is prolly the best fun I'm gonna have out of this sack of,,,,

meep, meep Razz

rootimus maximus
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:33:00 - [52]
 

It'd be nice if a regular version of this is available at some point in the future, which lets us fit multiple T2 hacking modules (and analysers?) with appropriate bonuses.

For now, it'll be joining my zephyrs and primaes in the far corner of my hanger, gathering dust.

xo3e
The Deliberate Forces
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:34:00 - [53]
 

Thx CCP!

We really dont need rebalance of hybrid weapons or other IMPORTANT things.
Go ahead and add more SUPERB CONTENT instead.

SCPilot
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:36:00 - [54]
 

Edited by: SCPilot on 09/12/2010 16:36:01
YES it a what ... a shi*!

OT Smithers
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:36:00 - [55]
 

Removing the learning skills was a fantastic decision.

This? I suppose if you are into hacking (or whatever the hell it's for) this could be really nice, but I am not.

For the record, for anyone else wondering what to give me for the holidays, I am also not "into" figure skating, Hannah Montana, Twilight, or Justin Beeber -- so gifts relating to any of the above would be a poor choice.

In my mind this is like gifting a wife who has never shot a gun in her life a brand new 300 magnum deer rifle. Surprise honey! I know you said you don't like guns, but here's one anyway! Aint she a beaut! This thing'll knock down an elephant! Why are you crying?

Phaedriel
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:37:00 - [56]
 

Alternative viewpoint...

This free item is designed to be totally useless and therefore sit in hangers forever. It's use therefore is hidden and is actually there to create EXTRA load on the database and servers so that CCP can monitor how adding utter junk to hangers affects performance.

Either that or... tinfoil hat... they're all rigged with explosives and at the middle of new year celebrations they will all explode destroying whatever they are in a hanger with, reducing hanger clutter and server load... and making pretty fireworks.

There, I just came up with 2 more useless purposes that CCP could for this pile of crud.

St Mio
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:39:00 - [57]
 

To all those who don't want theirs, feel free to sell them to me. Contracts in Jita preferably. Thanks in advance. Very Happy

Lise Kahel
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 - [58]
 

I reject all of your arguments and simply state; ship designers can't fix bugs. Irrefutable fact, period.

Now go back on complaining about how ugly it is. Or learning skills. Those were received way too good to spend time trolling on threads as these.

Corporal Punishment08
NosWaffle
Nostradamus Effect
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:40:00 - [59]
 

Anyone complaining about the new ship, can I haz your new ship?

Contractz j0r stuffz to me

Sturmwolke
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:41:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Crumplecorn
ITT: "What do you mean you don't want a lump of coal for Christmas? It's a gift ffs!"


Sir, how dare you equate the new cute and shiny Concord frigate (that probably took CCP some effort to make) to a lump of coal?
Don't you see? The small kids are squealing like pigs in delight over it, so please have a care.


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