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Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:08:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 09/12/2010 17:42:34
Good morning pilots of New Eden.

Last night, Citizen Astur attacked again within the Eystur system, Minmatar Republic. She piloted a Wyvern-class supercarrier.

As far as our analysts can tell, it largely matches the patterns witnessed over the past several weeks. There was one unusual scrap of evidence, however, salvaged from the datalogs of her ship's destruction.

Scans indicated that her ship was carrying what appeared to be a "Complex Fullerene Shard". These fragments of refined metallofullerene compounds are extremely resilient, and is more advanced than anything us Capsuleers or any other faction can generate. Except the Jovians.

Similar shards were discovered six years ago in hangars across New Eden following the destruction of Baniya, a Jovian diplomat that was using an experimental teleporting device.

This confirms a firm linkage between the Jovians and the Sansha. Whether or not there is more to this connection remains to be seen.

Because the Jove Empire is a founding member of CONCORD, the Synenose Accord demands immediate clarification from the organization regarding the apparent collusion between Sansha's Nation and the Jove Empire, or the troubling possibility that the Jove Empire has been entirely conquered by the Sansha.

Neither possibility is very pleasant, and reinforces the Synenose Accord's judgement to cease direct cooperation with CONCORD, which is clearly a compromised entity.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:23:00 - [2]
 

I think you're jumping to conclusions to say that the presence of a single piece of Jovian wreckage on a Nation vessel means that the Directorate as a whole is colluding with Sansha.
The most reasonable explanation is that only a faction of the Jovians are in league with Kuvakei - something we have long suspected. Admiral Ouria's group being the most likely suspects.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:26:00 - [3]
 

A fraction colluding with the Sansha implies one of two things. The rest of the Jovians are unable to stop them. Or the rest of the Jovians don't want to stop them.

Neither change our analysis in any substantive way. The specifics of Admiral Ouria's demise remain unknown to this day, and any other intelligence related to it is classified by CONCORD. Curious, no?

Citizen Kiara
Amarr
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:52:00 - [4]
 

What is to say that Nation didn't come of this via a trader within the known universe? What makes you so sure it has come from the Jovians hands directly?

You investiage a murder, find a weapon that can only be produced by a specific corporation.. just because its made by someone and no one else, doesn't mean that the corporation behind the production is the one that caused the murder?

Jaik7
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:53:00 - [5]
 

is that what the Sansha's "nodes" are for? teleporters?

They're willing to throw away so many ships and personel in order to set up a teleportation grid?

At least that bit makes sense now.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.09 13:57:00 - [6]
 

I fully support Julianus' demand for immediate clarification of the status of CONCORD and of the Jovian Empire.

I would however like to correct Julainus on one small point, the Sleeper 'race' is also fully capable of creating technical marvels out of fullerenes, though they are yet to be seen to deviate from known constructions. More so, they have been discovered in 'K-Space' as it is known, until destroyed by Jovian interference.

I offer my assistance in the understandings of Anoikis, the area from which most fullerenes originate, and all data and insights into their use by the Sleeper race. Perhaps we can find out the use of this shard and what it would imply for the capsuleers.

Graelyn
Amarr
Wolfsbrigade
Posted - 2010.12.09 14:53:00 - [7]
 

Hmm. This is not good.

If sounds as though some of these shards might be needed for research purposes soon. Those who have held on to large quantities of them for all of these years will NOT part with them easily or cheaply.

Ace Echo
Gallente
The Shadow Raiders
Posted - 2010.12.09 15:07:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
I think you're jumping to conclusions to say that the presence of a single piece of Jovian wreckage on a Nation vessel means that the Directorate as a whole is colluding with Sansha.
The most reasonable explanation is that only a faction of the Jovians are in league with Kuvakei - something we have long suspected. Admiral Ouria's group being the most likely suspects.


I totally agree. It's pure speculation that the jovians are aiding or have been conquered.

Since the initial report is clouded with speculation, I will set the facts straight.

A complex fullerene shard was found in Astur's Wreckage.

That's it.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.09 15:31:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Julianus Soter on 09/12/2010 15:38:51
Pure speculation.

Wild rumor.

Unsubstantiated claims.

If we need any more dots, we won't need to connect them with lines. And by then, it will be far too late.

That is why we ask CONCORD, who is in the prime position to have knowledge regarding this, to clarify on this issue. The onus is on them to provide critical intelligence to restore faith and trust with their organization.

If they choose not to, that is their problem.

toomiann
Posted - 2010.12.09 16:50:00 - [10]
 

(Post deleted due to sensitive info)

-ILIX, MOIRA.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:09:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Ber Kan on 09/12/2010 17:09:26
didnt we say, a few of Us BACK BACK BACK during this such as...grid I believe, Captian Midnight, Myself and 4 others say....that they have possibly taken jovien space....or worse. And now you speculate an Image, that was found from one of Sansha's wormholes, by a fellow pilot who risked her life into getting...(which ccp gave). As just pure speculation?

Originally by: Julianus Soter


That is why we ask CONCORD, who is in the prime position to have knowledge regarding this, to clarify on this issue. The onus is on them to provide critical intelligence to restore faith and trust with their organization.



And you think concord will listen to you...After denying them, and telling them to go Frack themselves? You are putting yourself deeper in a hole, that I would never even try to go.

And another thing. Sansha using teleportational devices was also talked of....MONTHS AGO!

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:15:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter

Pure speculation.




Oh and yes. For those who dont know. That is a Jovien battlestation behind the Sansha fleet. We had deduced that THAT is Kuvakei's personal home, or either a forward raiding position.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:37:00 - [13]
 

By the fates. I was using ironic statements as a rhetorical device to hammer home the level of 'circumstantial evidence' that points to Jovian action or influence. Please, someone, get Ber Kan on medication.

Aedeal
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:42:00 - [14]
 

Personally I like sarcasm.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:47:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter
By the fates. I was using ironic statements as a rhetorical device to hammer home the level of 'circumstantial evidence' that points to Jovian action or influence. Please, someone, get Ber Kan on medication.


Personally I dont like it when a mans ego is bigger than his mouth.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:48:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ber Kan
Originally by: Julianus Soter
By the fates. I was using ironic statements as a rhetorical device to hammer home the level of 'circumstantial evidence' that points to Jovian action or influence. Please, someone, get Ber Kan on medication.


Personally I dont like it when a mans ego is bigger than his mouth.


Personally I don't like it when a man's mouth is bigger than his brain.

Ber Kan
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 17:50:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Borza Slavak
Originally by: Ber Kan
Originally by: Julianus Soter
By the fates. I was using ironic statements as a rhetorical device to hammer home the level of 'circumstantial evidence' that points to Jovian action or influence. Please, someone, get Ber Kan on medication.


Personally I dont like it when a mans ego is bigger than his mouth.


Personally I don't like it when a man's mouth is bigger than his brain.

Personally I dont care. Whats more important is trying to find a way to stopping the sansha and still see if there is a way into Jovien space. Though...Jovien tech is incresingly tricky, and they could have possibly cloaked any sort of gates other than closing and shutting down known gates to get in.

Borza Slavak
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:05:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ber Kan

Personally I dont care. Whats more important is trying to find a way to stopping the sansha

As long as you don't have to deal with anybody you don't like, right? Ego clashes taking precedence over all.


Omune Balenne
Federation Navy
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:08:00 - [19]
 

Due to the unique circumstances surrounding its purchase, FIO agents began tracking the movement of this material at the moment of its acquisition from capsuleer markets in Jita. From there, it was tracked to True Power headquarters in Stain.

Pilot Niraia of the ISK SIX Alliance, likely acting as as a proxy for Nation Commanders, was sighted transporting the same material along with other items towards Antem. This was some days before the Monalaz Operation.

At this point, we suspect the material was used in some way during the Monalaz assault, most likely to strengthen critical structures (such as ground-side uplinks during their period of vulnerability). The unique properties of fullerene-based material, now abundantly available in the unknown sectors, lends itself to such a role. We are confident that more elaborate theories regarding its function do not hold the same weight as this simple and straightforward explanation.

In that respect, perhaps even more simply, the item served no use whatsoever, and the Nation is playing mind games yet again.

I must stress that the FIO and similar organizations entertain all ideas equally during the initial stages of an investigation. We are not dismissive of alternative possibilities. It is the collective opinions of many experts, from a multitude of fields, that drives these conclusions.

Julianus Soter
Gallente
Moira.
Posted - 2010.12.09 18:59:00 - [20]
 

A general once said, if everyone thinks alike, then someone isn't thinking.

You of all people, Mr. Balenne, should understand the dangers of collectivism and groupthink.

We shall continue our investigation.

On a related note, the Synenose Accord conducted joint reconnaissance operations to the Vale of the Silent region in connection to our investigation into the Sansha threat, earlier this year. While the Caldari State, the Serpentis Corporation, and other organizations are extremely interested in the ongoing situation there related to Jovian ruins and abandoned technology, there was no sign of Sansha activity.


Kesper North
Caldari
Gentlemen of Means
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.12.09 23:27:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Julianus Soter

On a related note, the Synenose Accord conducted joint reconnaissance operations to the Vale of the Silent region in connection to our investigation into the Sansha threat, earlier this year.



For what it's worth, we (the sovereignty holders of Vale) haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. If that changes, I'll let you know. There have been incursions near our lowsec border, but strictly in State space.

Why do you suppose they stay out of sovereign nullsec?

Raze Valadeus
Amarr
Knighthood of the Merciful Crown
Posted - 2010.12.10 11:18:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Kesper North
Originally by: Julianus Soter

On a related note, the Synenose Accord conducted joint reconnaissance operations to the Vale of the Silent region in connection to our investigation into the Sansha threat, earlier this year.



For what it's worth, we (the sovereignty holders of Vale) haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. If that changes, I'll let you know. There have been incursions near our lowsec border, but strictly in State space.

Why do you suppose they stay out of sovereign nullsec?


I would wager it is a combination of two things:

One: Sansha's "quarrel" is with the empires and the capsuleers supporting them as they're the ones who "persecuted him" and attempted "burn his promised land."

Two: Sansha is looking for more people to fill the ranks of nations and those people will be easier found and "uplifted" from empire planets than the planets under sovereign protection of capsuleers. (I state this because it has been noted that capsuleer systems have a greater efficacy when detecting Sansha ships and wormholes than empire systems according to documentation).

Just theory, but that's my thoughts on it.

Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:09:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Kesper North
Originally by: Julianus Soter

On a related note, the Synenose Accord conducted joint reconnaissance operations to the Vale of the Silent region in connection to our investigation into the Sansha threat, earlier this year.



For what it's worth, we (the sovereignty holders of Vale) haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary. If that changes, I'll let you know. There have been incursions near our lowsec border, but strictly in State space.

Why do you suppose they stay out of sovereign nullsec?


Do not forget that Sansha incursion fleets would face hazards unique to capsuleer-sovereign space, such as warp disruption "bubbles" and the bomb-hurling capacity of stealth bombers. In particular, a single Heavy Interdictor could effectively "gatecamp" any of the Sansha wormholes, rendering any Sansha forces who try to use that entrance or exit rather vulnerable to full-scale fleet attack and destruction. That, and Sansha battleship fleets seem to lack the support (no frigs/cruisers and no sign of drone usage, even though the Nightmare DOES have a dronebay) needed to engage frigate-sized targets, it seems; this renders them rather vulnerable to an attack from a wing of Stealth Bombers.

Hooch Flux
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.10 16:57:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Hooch Flux on 10/12/2010 16:57:53
As others have mentioned here, the theory that the Jove are directly working with or supporting the current Sansha activity is circumstantial at best. All we have now is a theory.

What needs to be done is for someone to directly verify this, an eyeball mk1 (with corresponding evidence) is usually best in these circumstances. Please consider the following.

Theory: The Jove (or a faction of) is directly supporting the Sansha Nation!(?)

Mission (1): Infiltrate Sansha Nation (?) to find evidence for or against theory.
A: Through covert means.
B: Direct infiltration.

Mission (2): Infiltrate known Jove space to find evidence for or against theory.
A: Through covert means.
B: Through direct contact with Jovian authorities.
C: Through direct contact with Jovian political factions.

These submissions should be considered if an answer to this question is needed.

As for CONCORD not supplying an answer to this question, I suspect that they may be as much in the dark on the state of the Jove Empire as we are. It has been a while since we have heard of any direct contact with them.

Nick Bete
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2010.12.10 19:44:00 - [25]
 

I don't see what the Jove would have to gain by helping Nation. Presuming the Jove haven't all died, Nation could never compete with advanced Jovian weapons, so I think that rules out a brute force attack. What would a rogue faction stand to gain by helping Nation? Surely the Jove know all about Kuvekei's operations and know that making a deal wouldn't save them, so why make a deal?

No disrespect intended to Mr. Soter or his group, but I think you're making things too complex here. I subscribe to the adage that the simpler answer is usually the correct one, so why bring Jovian conspiracies into play when it's more likely that the Sansha came into possession of the advanced material via a more mundane (i.e. profit seeking human capsuleer) source?


iyammarrok
Posted - 2010.12.10 21:10:00 - [26]
 

I'm sorry Julianus... but i don't see the confirmation of a firm link between nation and the jove.

nation spent time in jovian territory, is it not possible they scavenged such items?

to put it another way. each and every Starter vessel given my pend insurance to a pilot with no ship, contains 1 tritanium.

my hauler sometimes has tritanium within it's hold.

your logic would state that i am working with Pend Insurance due to the purely circumstantial evidence provided.

on a more personal note, over the past few weeks your actions and demeanor have become more erratic and closed. i am concerned, is everything allright? if not is there anything i can do to help?

Ollie Rundle
The Synenose Accord
Posted - 2010.12.11 04:53:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: iyammarrok
I'm sorry Julianus... but i don't see the confirmation of a firm link between nation and the jove.

nation spent time in jovian territory, is it not possible they scavenged such items?


Like others - most notably Ace Echo and iyammarrok - I also see only the most tenuous of connections implicating the Jovians either as witting or unwitting accomplices of the Sansha Nation. Far more likely is iyammarrok's suggestion above - that the Sansha salvaged or stole such items from Jovian wreckage or installations. The possibility of this being the most likely explanation does not, of course, rule out your own assertions - keeping an open mind should be the rule of thumb.

Texcoyo
Gallente
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2010.12.11 07:14:00 - [28]
 

A small patrol squad from QCATS intercepted a Providence freighter-class vessel early this morning traveling through low security space from Rakapas to Tama. BYDI intercepted the freighter in Rakapas, but had insufficient firepower to take it down. We then joined in and finally took it down. To our surprise, the cargo hold of the freighter had 711,000 units of Fullerides aboard.

The capsuleer that lost the freighter, Blarglenarf, we have very little information on. Also, we cannot connect him to Sansha threats. I am merely reporting this due to the discussion on Sansha using Fulleride based products, and the massive amount he was carrying oddly through a very hostile zone.

Lum. Gen. Texcoyo
War Administrator, QCATS

Wynteryth Fett
Posted - 2010.12.11 15:48:00 - [29]
 

I thought that the Synenose Accord withdrew and denounced CONCORD? Why the hell should they clarify anything for you? All you've done make numerous WACs against them in the past week..

Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
Crimson Path
Posted - 2010.12.12 10:14:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Nick Bete
I don't see what the Jove would have to gain by helping Nation.


A cure for the Jovian Curse would be nice. I mean it's pretty well-known that Nation's cybernetic technology is second to none.

But it's all speculation, really.


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