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Posted - 2010.12.09 20:11:00 - [31]

Shobon Welp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2010.12.09 20:13:00 - [32]

beep boop I am a bot

Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.09 20:19:00 - [33]

My robot overlords don't want me to support this topic

Trajan Ultor
Posted - 2010.12.09 20:52:00 - [34]

I concur.

Black Dranzer
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:12:00 - [35]

Edited by: Black Dranzer on 09/12/2010 21:11:59
Things are getting a little bloody dicey. I refuse to believe that identifying and hunting mass bot farms is that difficult.

Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:19:00 - [36]

Agreed! CCP need to be open and honest about the situation, and show a real, measurable and most of all OBVIOUS action against these players.

CCP need to talk about the issue in much more depth than anything we've had in the past, most of us are very disillusioned by your claims of banning x thousand accounts without any supporting arguments, description, reasoning or general discussion.

The entire issue isn't helped by the over-zealous moderation of the forum, making it very difficult to have a measure discussion of the issue in any meaningful way.

Not to mention the obvious requirement of a full internal audit, the claims that have been made by EveNews24 are very serious and really knock peoples faith in CCP as a company.

Posted - 2010.12.09 21:26:00 - [37]

Every post this threads get without a comment from the CSM is a sign of gross incompetence and/or slack on their part.

Mr GdCat
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:41:00 - [38]

pingu: "bots must die"

asde solutions

Posted - 2010.12.09 21:42:00 - [39]

Edited by: malkisania on 09/12/2010 21:42:37
I totally agree that botting is the scourge of this game and I am deeply disturbed at how bad CCP has let this slip without taking any further action on this matter. If the accusations in Eve24 are anywhere near accurate EVE is going to go way down hill for the legitimate people that play this game.
I can only imagine how many people that read those articles that are right now wondering what's the point in staying subscribed to a game that has this type of mentality towards RMT.
Also if there's no action took soon on this how many others are going to jump on the bandwagon after reading that???

Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2010.12.09 21:50:00 - [40]

Carniflex for President. Also, would like info from CCP on this topic.

Johnnyan Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.09 22:17:00 - [41]

CCP should understand that even if they benefit from this for the moment they will lose on the long run, we all will...

Hazar Smith
Posted - 2010.12.09 22:20:00 - [42]

A report would be good. Hardening up the client and communication interfaces would be better.

Posted - 2010.12.09 22:30:00 - [43]

Originally by: Hazar Smith
A report would be good. Hardening up the client and communication interfaces would be better.

What this guy said.

Posted - 2010.12.09 22:47:00 - [44]

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada

Posted - 2010.12.09 23:19:00 - [45]

Originally by: De'Veldrin
If nothing else, I think CCP needs to address the concerns the legitimate player base have in regards to the new perception of this problem. And this needs to go beyond vague reassurances of "we know, we're working on it."

Obviously, I do not expect CCP to come forward and say "We use XYZ tactics to track bots and ban them". That would be foolish in the extreme, but the perception that nothing is being done can only hurt the game in the long run by discouraging new subscribers from joining, and encouraging old ones to quit.

Supported. It's time CCP stepped up to the plate and put foot to ass on the macroers again.

Well put..

... I'd also hope that the blog would take a more than "always vigalent" line but would mention that they'd attained copies of theh progams used and had employees using them with other employees trying to stop them..

... If they can't stop an employee aremed with the program, they'll need to keep changing game mechanics or the client or whatever until they do .

A comitment to thinking of and making changes that can dratically reduce the problem is needed.

Many of those changes couldd effect major parts of game pleay so there would need to be a decent period of vetting of them by players and the CSM

(and btw, I don't want to get rid of local and, from what I've read, it would not do the trick ... i'm for increasing the signal to noise ratio in ways humans would be far less likely to dock for cover than computers...)

Don Pellegrino
Pod Liberation Authority
Posted - 2010.12.09 23:23:00 - [46]


Posted - 2010.12.09 23:53:00 - [47]

well, hopfully they do address this issue very soon.

If they don't, guess that would imply that they approve of botting and we should all start botting.

See if we can get avg cost of Megacyte to be less than 100 isk per. and price of PLEXes to 1b a pop.

Professor Screweyes
Sebiestor Tribe

Posted - 2010.12.10 00:22:00 - [48]

I'd settle for a written denial of the accusations, but I guess that if CCP choses to neither confirm nor deny them, I'll know all that I need to know.

Missions Mining and Mayhem
Posted - 2010.12.10 00:51:00 - [49]

Krathos Morpheus
Legion Infernal
Posted - 2010.12.10 01:26:00 - [50]

Posted - 2010.12.10 01:38:00 - [51]

Edited by: Vod**** on 10/12/2010 01:39:03
Yes! Time for more frequent "Unholy Rage." mining, ratting, or whatever.

Forge Regional Security
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
Posted - 2010.12.10 01:45:00 - [52]

Yeah, signed.

If CCP doesn't come forward and say, or better yet DO, something then everyone's going to get themselves a bot alt to run while they're at work.

The Rip Tide
Posted - 2010.12.10 02:12:00 - [53]

Edited by: Brannoncyll on 10/12/2010 02:11:57
My guess is that it is very difficult to differentiate between a bot and a miner who is watching TV while mining. For that reason they can probably only track money transfers and ban accounts that purchase from the botters, thus starving the botters out. Of course the botters are still driving down the value of ice and minerals through their actions while this continues, but hopefully it will eventually become non-profitable for botters to continue to operate. CCP will never say this explicitly because announcing their inability to catch botters in the act will encourage everyone and their dog to start using bots.

In my opinion the only way out of this conundrum is to change the way that mining works to make it involve more conscious decision making on the part of the player, thus much harder to create a bot. That being said I would like to hear some words about CCPs plans and actions regarding this problem.


Posted - 2010.12.10 02:16:00 - [54]

For what its worth.

This is too widespread for CCP to do anything about now i fear. Doing so would dent their player base alot more than they realise.

What makes me laugh is the forums on reboot (makers of H-bot)shows 3473 members today but give it a few weeks and I am sure it will go up loads. All that article on evenews24 did was make everyone aware of how easy alot of these bot systems are and the fact CCP don't seem to care about it.

Surely the sensible thing is to take action against those actually making the bots ?

Posted - 2010.12.10 02:39:00 - [55]

Loki O'Grady
Posted - 2010.12.10 02:47:00 - [56]

Supported. I would like to see a response from CCP addressing the concerns of their players.

I would also like to see a response from the CSM on this issue.

The silence so far from both CCP and the CSM stinks.

Meridian Siri
Posted - 2010.12.10 04:02:00 - [57]

Fully support an explanation of current CCP activities/plans on this issue as well as some words on why they have failed to deal with an issue that is well know to be an issue and has the potential for such large imbalance to the game (I mean fixing rockets was nice, but.....)

Posted - 2010.12.10 04:13:00 - [58]

I would like to know what is being done about this too.

Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2010.12.10 07:51:00 - [59]

This issue is of utmost importance to the survival of your income CCP. Act or risk to loose it all!

Up to you.

Cyaxares II
Posted - 2010.12.10 08:14:00 - [60]

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