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Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:20:00 - [1]
 

Hi folks ~ I've been playing EVE since last July after being referred by a co-worker that played for 7 years but quit a few months ago. I'm actually about to quit playing as I can find little to do anymore. If anyone can suggest anything it would be appreciated as I did used to enjoy the game daily.

~ Mining isn't for me. I figured out how to make ISK by using the market and can make enough in 2-3 days to buy a PLEX so I did reach free play.
~ While my skillpoints are at 7mil every single Corporation I had applied to (about 30) simply denied my request to join with no explanation.
~ I started my own corp and have invited friends from College. Every one of them quit in the 1st month claiming it was too hard because the learning skills take so long.
~ At this point there's really nothing to look forward to because the skill training time takes too long. A week to learn Interceptors to get a Crow? Nah. That's crazy and too boring to wait for.
~ I can fly a Covert Ops cloaked Buzzard and scan out pockets very easy. Problem is that the best ones are on 0.0 and there's no way to get anything but a Buzzard in and out, so no way to transport rare ores.
~ Trained for a Stealth Covert Ops Bomber only to find out they can only be used in 0.0 so that was a worthless waste of time.
~ Have ran a lot of missions but lately I can not find any agents to work for. I read that the newest release had a lot more missions but I can't find them anywhere near where I dock (Jita 4-4).
~ Raising my security status is insanely hard. I can sit around in 0.5 space and blow up rats all day long in my Caldari Navy Issue Hookbill with Rockets (yes, Rockets!) but my security status only goes up by like 0.04 for 15 minutes of kills? If a 5.0 security status would be considered $5, that means I am making a quarter of a penny per rat kill? So I would have to destroy 2000 of the things to get to 5.0 Security status? I don't think so, another wastre of time and boring. The salvage loot is only worth what I can make on the market in less than 1 minute of price changes...

So, am I missing anything?

As far as "Give me all your stuff" nope. I've tried to give all of my ships to real friends, but they don't even keep playing for a month. If I do quit I'll just give everything away at Jita, which seems to be a fun idea actually. But it kinda sucks to have spent so long playing only to discover that there's not anything apparently fun to do.

Any suggestions welcomed. Thanks.

Keith Deteisrich

Jasdemi
Interstellar Whine Brewery
Monocle Overlords
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:23:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Jasdemi on 08/12/2010 17:23:28
Null dot null

Julian Assagne
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:27:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Julian Assagne on 08/12/2010 17:27:35
I can Recommend you to Join PL and become a Spy being a Spy is damn Entertaining and you can make lots of Money and Dark Giggles for Ruining a Noob Alliance or a Big Alliance .YARRRR!!

-Julian Assagne YARRRR!!
CEO of EVELeaks

Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:30:00 - [4]
 

Damn Entertaining is how I would describe learning this game in the first month or so...

So, what is "PL"?

Thanks.

Originally by: Julian Assagne
Edited by: Julian Assagne on 08/12/2010 17:27:35
I can Recommend you to Join PL and become a Spy being a Spy is damn Entertaining and you can make lots of Money and Dark Giggles for Ruining a Noob Alliance or a Big Alliance .YARRRR!!

-Julian Assagne YARRRR!!
CEO of EVELeaks

Quetazoid
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:33:00 - [5]
 

Eve is pretty dull yes. I like dull things and it beats WoW.

However, if you can make a plex in 2 or 3 days; then get your mad trading skills on and buy a specced char from the char bazaar.

assuming 1 plex in 3 days then 360mil * 10 = 3.6bil in one month or 7.2 bil in 2 months; you could buy a decked out combat pilot faster then you could skill on up?

Personally, I just like to pi and invent as I don't have the time with wife and kids for playing like I used to. This style of play is the only MMO accessible to me these days; also I can visit the forums at work.
I just don't have the 5+ hours to sink into a game each day anymore and eve caters for that.

Bolsak
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:33:00 - [6]
 

Killing 2,000 rats in a .5 will only get you close to a .6 security status.

Quetazoid
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:35:00 - [7]
 

Mind you I would rather 3 blondes females and a glass top coffee table with a fruitbowl full of.... well you get the idea, but eve comes a close 2nd best.

Sloth Arnini
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:37:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Keith Deteisrich

~stuff~
~ Have ran a lot of missions but lately I can not find any agents to work for. I read that the newest release had a lot more missions but I can't find them anywhere near where I dock (Jita 4-4).
~stuff~



Hmm, that's a surprisingly subtle troll for General Discussion.

Obsidian Hawk
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:39:00 - [9]
 

First, if you need a corp, mine is hiring and you meet the requirements for it easily.

Next, your friends want instant gratification and on the 15th learning skills get removed so feel free to mock them.

As for interceptors thing, dude a week is nothing try waiting 3 months to get all the skills for a marauder =P

- cov ops bomber and ship - You can use a bomber anyplace, only the bomb launcher is in 0.0, it is still a great glass cannon which can be used in low sec.

-> Mission - LEAVE JITA 4-4. Try eve-agents.com to find an agent near you, but you need to leave jita forever.

Sec status, if you want to pirate / pvp / gank, you need to get the social skill book, connections skill book and fast talk skill book. those will help raise your sec status higher.


Honestly I dont know why people wouldnt take you, the ability to use a bomber and bomb launcher is a great asset to any 0.0 alliance.

Istvann
Minmatar
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:47:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Keith Deteisrich
Hi folks ~ I've been playing EVE since last July after being referred by a co-worker that played for 7 years but quit a few months ago. I'm actually about to quit playing as I can find little to do anymore. If anyone can suggest anything it would be appreciated as I did used to enjoy the game daily.

~ Mining isn't for me. I figured out how to make ISK by using the market and can make enough in 2-3 days to buy a PLEX so I did reach free play.
~ While my skillpoints are at 7mil every single Corporation I had applied to (about 30) simply denied my request to join with no explanation.
~ I started my own corp and have invited friends from College. Every one of them quit in the 1st month claiming it was too hard because the learning skills take so long.
~ At this point there's really nothing to look forward to because the skill training time takes too long. A week to learn Interceptors to get a Crow? Nah. That's crazy and too boring to wait for.
~ I can fly a Covert Ops cloaked Buzzard and scan out pockets very easy. Problem is that the best ones are on 0.0 and there's no way to get anything but a Buzzard in and out, so no way to transport rare ores.
~ Trained for a Stealth Covert Ops Bomber only to find out they can only be used in 0.0 so that was a worthless waste of time.
~ Have ran a lot of missions but lately I can not find any agents to work for. I read that the newest release had a lot more missions but I can't find them anywhere near where I dock (Jita 4-4).
~ Raising my security status is insanely hard. I can sit around in 0.5 space and blow up rats all day long in my Caldari Navy Issue Hookbill with Rockets (yes, Rockets!) but my security status only goes up by like 0.04 for 15 minutes of kills? If a 5.0 security status would be considered $5, that means I am making a quarter of a penny per rat kill? So I would have to destroy 2000 of the things to get to 5.0 Security status? I don't think so, another wastre of time and boring. The salvage loot is only worth what I can make on the market in less than 1 minute of price changes...

So, am I missing anything?

As far as "Give me all your stuff" nope. I've tried to give all of my ships to real friends, but they don't even keep playing for a month. If I do quit I'll just give everything away at Jita, which seems to be a fun idea actually. But it kinda sucks to have spent so long playing only to discover that there's not anything apparently fun to do.

Any suggestions welcomed. Thanks.

Keith Deteisrich



I agreee. Mining does suck. That is why I have a second account that mines while my main account does other things. that doesn't mean there aren't fun things you can do.

As far as the corps you are trying to join but keep rejecting you. It seems you are trying for those 'popular" ones or the ones that are huge and well established in a system. Might need to set your sights lower. Look in the recruitment forum and see what is there or post your interest in joining a corp and what you are looking for.

Yes, the learning skills were a pain, but tell your mates the learning skills are going away in a few days. Maybe they will come back.

There are hundreds of agents to fly for. I can't believe you can't find one to fly for. You maky have to choose a different NPC corp to fly for...which may mean you will have to start over with lvl 1 agents and work your way up. Attaining 5.0 status isn't hard to do. Takes time though. The higher level mission you do, the faster it goes up. Belt rats aren't the only way to raise standings either. Doing missions and getting the storylines will do it as well...and possibly even faster as the storylines affect multiple factions.

Don't knock salvage. Granted salvage in lvl 1 and 2 missions are pretty crappy, the salvage still adds up. Lvl 3 and 4 missions aren't bad at all.

Don't give up yet. There are some nice changes made recently and more to come.

Diomedes Calypso
Aetolian Armada
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:48:00 - [11]
 

I still don't get why someone who was getting bored would have kept training the learning skills to begin with instead of taking a couple months to train some frigate and cruiser skills up to functionable levels.

If you had perception and intelligence to 4-3 and the others just to 3-0 you might have "wasted" a month of potential training in the first 3 months but you would have had plenty more to do...

..and you play games for fun... by the time you quit or lose interest you won't be thinking ... wow, I could have had 1 million more sp if I had trained learning skills a month earlier ...the same way you wouldn't have thought ...."wow, i wish i had started the game a month earlier so I could have had 1 million more sp when i quit today"

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2010.12.08 17:58:00 - [12]
 

You need to go try shooting at other players. Maybe it'll be the spark to keep you playing. Try it.

PS whoever told you bombers can only be used in 0.0 is an idiot. Bombs can only be used in 0.0 but fitting a bomb launcher means you compromise other parts of the fit. Simply fitting torpedo launchers is a lot easier and actually results in more DPS. Bombs are all about alpha damage rather than sustained damage.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2010.12.08 18:18:00 - [13]
 

First my question is why the hell do you want a 5.0 sec status? You do realize that other than access to hi-sec that sec status doesn't do anything?

Anything over -2.0 is fine for high sec life. If you mission somewhat consistently and are not pirating/suicide ganking then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

If you got isk to burn try RVB, We always want more pilots (particularly rich ones who won't whine when they loose a ship) and have pretty much 0 requirements (IOW we won't reject your app.


The problem you are facing is that unlike most MMO's EVE does not have any predefined career paths. It really is a very open system. The unfortunate side affect of which is that lots of people end up in your shoes with no real idea what to do. So pick something new and try it.

I highly recommend RVB I originally joined planning on spend a month or so getting a little seasoning. That's turned into over 6 months of almost straight PVPing and a directorship in what I consider one of EVE's most unique institutions.

I didn't join planning on moving into a leadership position it just worked out that way. That's the sort of thing that can happen in EVE.

Another upside to doing a run through RVB is that it will provide you not only with PVP experience but with some killboard stats that people can look at when considering your app. While many people downplay the importance of Killboard stats the reality is that it is a major part of your resume (particularly if you are apping to PVP centric corps).

As it stands now you've got a negative K/D ratio. assuming you've been apping to PVP centric corps it's little wonder that people have been denying your apps.

Hell you've already figured out the hardest part about EVE, how to fund your fun. now it's time for you to start having some.

Xolornem Srrpep
Posted - 2010.12.08 18:22:00 - [14]
 

If you're making a plex every three days, you can afford to have a lot of fun in this game. Buy +5 implants and once the +12 attributes buff starts you'll train skills very quickly. After or during the skill-training, buy a pimped out PvP ship with this 360m per 3 days you're making. PvP is fuel for fun.



JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2010.12.08 18:23:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Keith Deteisrich
Damn Entertaining is how I would describe learning this game in the first month or so...

So, what is "PL"?

Thanks.



Pandemic Legion

Xolornem Srrpep
Posted - 2010.12.08 18:24:00 - [16]
 

Alternatively, if you pay me some of that PLEX you make every three days I'll PvP you and let you win Laughing

Wu Spacey
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:05:00 - [17]
 

Buy and use 3 plex on main, keep skilling up and take a break from the game. Just log in to fill skill queue. You dont have to give all your stuff away or anything silly.

Shurikane
Posted - 2010.12.08 19:39:00 - [18]
 

I'm honestly doubtful this is a recoverable situation but what the hell...


  • Go for mining if you have something to watch on TV or some reason that you can't put full attention on the game.

  • Corps will insta-reject applications that come out of the woodwork. Join the recruitment channel (you'll find it in your Chat Channels list) and initiate conversations. The channel often sees adverts from hiring corporations.

  • Run into a low-sec system and destroy someone! YARRRR!!

  • Your learning skills will be reimbursed in the patch coming at the end of the month. Since you got a bit of time to spare, finish those up (to get raw SP faster) and when the patch comes in, invest the reimbursed SP in the ships and modules you want to use.

  • Waiting a week to fly a tech 2 frigate is common. T2 frigs are in almost all aspects more powerful than their T1 variants. 2 weeks for cruiser, 3 weeks for BC, 4 weeks for BS.

  • Do not expect to ever max yourself out. The skills system is designed in such a way to push you to specialize in some shape or form. Flying the biggest and scariest ships in the game is intended to take months, and are expected to be flown only by a handful of pilots who represent the pinnacle of an alliance's achievement.

  • Run to wormhole space. Try to stay alive as long as you can. Remain there a few days or two, find another wormhole and then see where it leads you.

  • Take chances, make mistakes and get messy.


Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 03:56:00 - [19]
 

Hi Julian - Thanks for the suggestion. I looked up the corp you suggested to find that you are not a member and even your EVELeaks site is not working.

Seems to be the EVE Doom in progress here. Nothing to do, dead links. Actually in truth it's called Entropy which I am generally a fan of. Just sucks to see a game that had so much potential with well, nothing to do.

Keith


Originally by: Julian Assagne
Edited by: Julian Assagne on 08/12/2010 17:27:35
I can Recommend you to Join PL and become a Spy being a Spy is damn Entertaining and you can make lots of Money and Dark Giggles for Ruining a Noob Alliance or a Big Alliance .YARRRR!!

-Julian Assagne YARRRR!!
CEO of EVELeaks

Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:00:00 - [20]
 

Thank you kindly for your reply. I did not know that I could buy a character. I see them on eBay every day (search EVE paperclip on eBay) but did not know CCP allowed buying a character.

I can afford it no problem but is seems like cheating and degrades the value of the character I created.

It seems that this extremely long training skill stupid bull**** that CCP has set up is what is destroying what could be a good game.

I don't want to just go buy a character. But excuse me, where are they for sale again? :)

Thanks

Keith


Originally by: Quetazoid
Eve is pretty dull yes. I like dull things and it beats WoW.

However, if you can make a plex in 2 or 3 days; then get your mad trading skills on and buy a specced char from the char bazaar.

assuming 1 plex in 3 days then 360mil * 10 = 3.6bil in one month or 7.2 bil in 2 months; you could buy a decked out combat pilot faster then you could skill on up?

Personally, I just like to pi and invent as I don't have the time with wife and kids for playing like I used to. This style of play is the only MMO accessible to me these days; also I can visit the forums at work.
I just don't have the 5+ hours to sink into a game each day anymore and eve caters for that.

Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:03:00 - [21]
 


Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Xolornem Srrpep
If you're making a plex every three days, you can afford to have a lot of fun in this game. Buy +5 implants and once the +12 attributes buff starts you'll train skills very quickly. After or during the skill-training, buy a pimped out PvP ship with this 360m per 3 days you're making. PvP is fuel for fun.





Hey thanks but fun related to what? Yes it is true that I can make 400 Million ISK in one day like I did today. It is NOT hard at all to do that. So I buy a PLEX and extend my game play to next summer? Why?

WTF is there to do?


Traycea
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:11:00 - [23]
 

Quote:
WTF is there to do?

Take over the universe or a little part of it anyway.
Eve is an empire building game of sorts. Your complaints about the skill system indicate a fist person shooter mentality and so 'Call of Duty' etc. or better yet 'Dust 514' seem like more appropriate games for the quick fix sort of game player you seem to be.
Best of luck

Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:13:00 - [24]
 

Thank you kindly for your response. I checked your Corp and can not join as I am a Caldari. You have the best Security rating of anyone I have seen and congrats on that. You can not top 5.3.

As far as my friends wanting "instant gratification" that's not actually correct. I invited a group of people from the Texas A&M University and every single one of them said that the game was a money sink hole because training Learning to Learn was a waste of time so every single one of them quit during the trial.

The CoVert Ops Bomber is useless as with the core drain you can't fit any weapons. So yeah, you can fly around invisible no problem, but you can't do anything.

Your reply was the kindest and trying to be the most helpful and I appreciated it.

Keith Deteisrich


Originally by: Obsidian Hawk
First, if you need a corp, mine is hiring and you meet the requirements for it easily.

Next, your friends want instant gratification and on the 15th learning skills get removed so feel free to mock them.

As for interceptors thing, dude a week is nothing try waiting 3 months to get all the skills for a marauder =P

- cov ops bomber and ship - You can use a bomber anyplace, only the bomb launcher is in 0.0, it is still a great glass cannon which can be used in low sec.

-> Mission - LEAVE JITA 4-4. Try eve-agents.com to find an agent near you, but you need to leave jita forever.

Sec status, if you want to pirate / pvp / gank, you need to get the social skill book, connections skill book and fast talk skill book. those will help raise your sec status higher.


Honestly I dont know why people wouldnt take you, the ability to use a bomber and bomb launcher is a great asset to any 0.0 alliance.

Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Bolsak
Killing 2,000 rats in a .5 will only get you close to a .6 security status.


Right, so what do I have to kill, 200,000 of the things?

Total Bull**** and now I can see why the game I picked was the wrong one.

EVE looked totally super impressive and I was willing (and PAID) to get deep into it. But that is
total bull****.


Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:21:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Quetazoid
Mind you I would rather 3 blondes females and a glass top coffee table with a fruitbowl full of.... well you get the idea, but eve comes a close 2nd best.


The Ironic thing about this post is that I just found some extremely excellent **** at badjojo.com

Search there for "College Threesome" and it's exactly what you described.

Now, off to play EVE? I don't even consider myself "Playing" EVE anymore as there is just God Damned NOTHING to do!

This is stupid. I enjoyed learning the game, got SUPER good at stuff like oh I don't know, making ISK. And there is nothing to do?

I feel I am about 24 hours or less from logging off for the last time.

Not a troll, I just don't give a **** anymore.

CRUSH BOSS
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:32:00 - [27]
 

If fun is what you desire, then I can provide it.
Contact me in game, and I promise you; the fun will begin.


Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:37:00 - [28]
 

Thanks for your reply. Actually I was a Beta Test "User" for Ages of Empires working for Microsoft (Employed at the time).

Microsoft, well, some people say reverse engineered the core code of Blizzard Warcraft and that is totally 100% true as I worked for Blizzard when they were Silicon & Synapse some of my Co College Gradutes.

Anyway, just wanted to know if there is _ANYTHING_ at all fun that people can do in this game.

From the answers it seems to be a total waste of time.

Thanks. Keith



Originally by: Traycea
Quote:
WTF is there to do?

Take over the universe or a little part of it anyway.
Eve is an empire building game of sorts. Your complaints about the skill system indicate a fist person shooter mentality and so 'Call of Duty' etc. or better yet 'Dust 514' seem like more appropriate games for the quick fix sort of game player you seem to be.
Best of luck

Keith Deteisrich
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:44:00 - [29]
 

Hey thanks.

There is no way on God's Earth that I am going to mine, as stated I can make $300 mil ISK a day.


Maybe that is the problem and perhaps I have actually "won"?

I just wanted to see other aspects of the game. Seems there are none available to me.

So, I can make so much ISK that I play free. What now?

I see nothing to do in this game.






Originally by: Shurikane
I'm honestly doubtful this is a recoverable situation but what the hell...


  • Go for mining if you have something to watch on TV or some reason that you can't put full attention on the game.

  • Corps will insta-reject applications that come out of the woodwork. Join the recruitment channel (you'll find it in your Chat Channels list) and initiate conversations. The channel often sees adverts from hiring corporations.

  • Run into a low-sec system and destroy someone! YARRRR!!

  • Your learning skills will be reimbursed in the patch coming at the end of the month. Since you got a bit of time to spare, finish those up (to get raw SP faster) and when the patch comes in, invest the reimbursed SP in the ships and modules you want to use.

  • Waiting a week to fly a tech 2 frigate is common. T2 frigs are in almost all aspects more powerful than their T1 variants. 2 weeks for cruiser, 3 weeks for BC, 4 weeks for BS.

  • Do not expect to ever max yourself out. The skills system is designed in such a way to push you to specialize in some shape or form. Flying the biggest and scariest ships in the game is intended to take months, and are expected to be flown only by a handful of pilots who represent the pinnacle of an alliance's achievement.

  • Run to wormhole space. Try to stay alive as long as you can. Remain there a few days or two, find another wormhole and then see where it leads you.

  • Take chances, make mistakes and get messy.



Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2010.12.09 04:45:00 - [30]
 

-Learning skills are being removed next week, bring your friends back (now they will all train as if they had maxed learning)
-you can do some solo PVP with frigates or cruisers (not SP extensive)
-find guys that WILL let you join, usually this work best when you try to kill them in low sec then they go "hmm you got spunk, come fly with us"
-You miss understand the sec grind mechanics, you only get credit for the biggest rat you kill per 15-20 min (not sure on time frame), this means you were only getting credit for one. The good news is that this rule applies per system so if u fly to 15 systems and kill one rat each you'll gain sec 15 times faster
-EVE is a sandbox and it is what you make it, if you sit waiting for the paint to dry then thats all it'll ever be, try doing other things so that by the time the paint IS dry you'll be like "wow that went fast"
-for mission try looking up the mission/agents area of this guide and use the info their in combination with this to find ones nearby
-stealth bombers are still great in places other than 0.0, just use torps

and as i saw someone else say, use your awesome money from marketing to get some implants to train faster, train cyber 5 once and load in a set of +5s


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