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Leto Atraities
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:26:00 - [1]
 

ok, i don't get this. for the great pains, time and isk spent to get to a carrier and the damn think can't do a simple T2 fit because of so little CPU? yes the chimera i am talking about.

i'd like to think that the last problem you should be thinking about is if you have enough CPU to fit a capitol ship! ANY capitol ship! the archon and thanny have not even the slightest issue in fitting room (not to mention the archon can fit dual capitol reppers with the greatest of ease). and then there is the chimera. damn near all the mods it needs to fit are all CPU hogs. so why on earth does this ship have way to much PG and not nearly enough CPU?

how in the hell has the chimera been neglected to be like this for so long? i'd be shocked as hell if there is an actual reason it should be this way for any capitol. just makes since to me that once you've gotten to a capitol that the last thing you should be thinking about is if you can make everything fit.

come on CCP! it should only take one simple "duh" and then quickly fix this. come on all you glorified POS reppers! time to come together to get this fixed asap!

massive trolling in 3....2....1....

Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:42:00 - [2]
 

Capital, capital, capital capital capital, capital capital.

Capital - from the middle english word for "head"
Capitol - from the Capitoline Hill in Rome.


Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.12.07 06:07:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Tau Cabalander on 07/12/2010 06:12:33

How are you fitting?

I just tossed this fit together for example:

[Chimera, Basic]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Cap Recharger II
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II

Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


fuxinos
Caldari
Guys 0f Sarcasm
Posted - 2010.12.07 08:09:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: fuxinos on 07/12/2010 08:11:51
Originally by: Tau Cabalander

[Chimera, Basic]
Photon Scattering Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II



How are you fitting?

Anyway, same fit for Archon:

[Archon, New Setup 1]
Capacitor Power Relay II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Damage Control II
Armor Explosive Hardener II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
ECCM - Radar II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution

Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I
Capital Remote Armor Repair System I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


5 RR and like 330CPU left...

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2010.12.07 08:18:00 - [5]
 

2x Cap Shield Transport I 2x Cap Energy Transfer I 1x Auto Targeter I
1x Cap Shield Booster (optional), 2x Invul II, 2x Cap Recharger II, F-90 sensor booster, Gravi ECCM
3x Beta cap power relay 1x Damage Control II
3x CCC I rigs

Yes - it's a bit tight, but you can do fine fitting it. If you so desire you can even pull off 5x Cap Shield Transport I, just will have to use 4x Beta cap power relay and fill the mids with cap rechargers and 1..2 hardeners. In big wnough gangs you dont need local repper, as it's irrelevant compared to the dps you would be facing and remote repping ability of the rest of your gang.

Enduros
Desard's Nation
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2010.12.07 13:57:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Enduros on 07/12/2010 13:58:08
Originally by: Carniflex
2x Cap Shield Transport I 2x Cap Energy Transfer I 1x Auto Targeter I
1x Cap Shield Booster (optional), 2x Invul II, 2x Cap Recharger II, F-90 sensor booster, Gravi ECCM
3x Beta cap power relay 1x Damage Control II
3x CCC I rigs

Shocked auto-targeter?

To op
You cry about the chimmy.... try fitting the nid. Seriously, go try it.
Also the third invuln is useless. You mind as well go for each specific hardener.

Leto Atraities
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2010.12.07 14:39:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Enduros
Edited by: Enduros on 07/12/2010 13:58:08
Originally by: Carniflex
2x Cap Shield Transport I 2x Cap Energy Transfer I 1x Auto Targeter I
1x Cap Shield Booster (optional), 2x Invul II, 2x Cap Recharger II, F-90 sensor booster, Gravi ECCM
3x Beta cap power relay 1x Damage Control II
3x CCC I rigs

Shocked auto-targeter?

To op
You cry about the chimmy.... try fitting the nid. Seriously, go try it.
Also the third invuln is useless. You mind as well go for each specific hardener.



i'm glad you brought that up about the nid! however, the nid can actually fit a local tank + shield transporter with either armor tanking or shield tanking (though by a friggin chin whisker) though still weak setups. for the nid i think that it's slot layout should stay as is, but also get a bit more cpu. in addition to that, because the nid is not as strong a tank with either setup compared to the other carriers then it should be given the benefit of more base shield and armor hitpoints. how much more is debatable.

and no matter how hard you try you're not going to get a chimera to fit a cap shield rep w/ tank, with two cap shield transporters, with a large nuet, with cap energy transport and large smart bomb without the need for cpu mod and or cpu implant. now i'm not saying that this is a leet way to fit it, but it's a simple fit and it can't even do that! the archon can do some of the most ridiculous fits because of all the PG and cpu. the thanny can fit with ease as well. in fact all other cap ships whether it be super mom, dread or titan really has no fitting issues.

i really hope CCP/CSM peeps is taking note of this because out of all the issues there are in this game this one is by far the most ridiculous one in game!


Enduros
Desard's Nation
Cha0s Theory
Posted - 2010.12.07 16:25:00 - [8]
 

Yea ok, it's like 3% short of fitting full t2 if it wants to have 2 remote shield reps.

Nid can't fit a local shield tank with 2 remotes at all. Ends up needing CPU mods. Maybe the problem isn't with the ships, but with the shield mods?

I mean 300 cpu for a capital booster. WTF?

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:21:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Leto Atraities
and no matter how hard you try you're not going to get a chimera to fit a cap shield rep w/ tank, with two cap shield transporters, with a large nuet, with cap energy transport and large smart bomb without the need for cpu mod and or cpu implant. now i'm not saying that this is a leet way to fit it, but it's a simple fit and it can't even do that! the archon can do some of the most ridiculous fits because of all the PG and cpu. the thanny can fit with ease as well. in fact all other cap ships whether it be super mom, dread or titan really has no fitting issues.

Oh you want a local tank. The TS CPR are more for cap stability (2 reps or local tank) than CPU conservation IIRC.

[Chimera, Local Tank]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Sensor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Invulnerability Field II
Invulnerability Field II
Conjunctive Gravimetric ECCM Scanning Array I
Capital Shield Booster I
Shield Boost Amplifier II

Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Shield Transporter I
Capital Energy Transfer Array I
True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Xituqtra
Posted - 2010.12.07 21:46:00 - [10]
 

wait for incursions

lp we get from that will allow us to get meta 1 named capital mods shoud solve the fitting issue's


 

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