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Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:21:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Ix Forres on 06/12/2010 21:21:09
Hi all,

This is just an advance notice to all users of EVE Metrics APIs that I will be closing the site early next year (no later than mid-January).

My other EVE sites, ISKsense and accVIEW, will also be shutting down around this time.

Any subsequent API requests will be fed a static error XML, the website proper will be a static landing page till the domain lapses.

If you have a burning desire to grab a copy of the database and have the 50-odd gigs of space you'd need to be able to load it, I may consider providing a sanitized DB dump on a selective basis, but most of what we have is in the dumps we've been publishing already, so I don't think there's anything much to be gained from the DB dump.

Some interesting numbers:

  • 12,000 users

  • 90,000 characters (incl. 'seen' characters derived from the market)

  • 7,180 API keys - 4,935 of which are full keys

  • 90,000 registered calls to the EVE API

  • 15,000 API requests to the EVE API per hour on average

  • 1.6 million assets tracked

  • 15.8 million wallet journals

  • 7 million wallet transactions

  • 235,000 EVE mails

  • 1.7 million active market orders

  • 7 million API derived trades

  • 60.5 million inferred trades

  • 12.3 million uploads


It's been a fun journey, and we made it all the way to 12,000 users, but servers are (really) expensive, we can't monetize the site in any way, and I've not played EVE in almost over a year now. I can't justify the huge operational costs, and without continued development there's no real reason in continuing to run the site since EVE changes regularly, and the site has to change with it to remain useful.

I'd like to thank all the developers who have helped to shape EM into what it became, and hope that we've been useful for the few years it's been around (from 2007 till 2010). I'd love to stay, but EVE isn't what it was when I first started playing. It's moved on, and so have I.

Nikolai Kondratiev
Sphere Design Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:28:00 - [2]
 

Aww sucks to hear that Crying or Very sad

But thanks for the great service all the time Eve Metrics has been running !

hcydo
Posted - 2010.12.06 22:39:00 - [3]
 

Any chance of knowing how much your infrastructure costs you per month?

Bolavaz
Posted - 2010.12.06 23:32:00 - [4]
 

Such a shame to see a great site being shut down. I for one would be very interested in this sanitized DB dump if you are still willing to produce it.

Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2010.12.07 03:40:00 - [5]
 

Sad to see these go, they always looked great and worked great (except when the servers decides not to play nice)

One small question, how did you do the suspicious donations thing in accView?

RC3117
Caldari
Irregular Defence Force
Sspectre
Posted - 2010.12.07 05:27:00 - [6]
 

man, i loved EVE Metrics, Ideaany way u can like sell it to CCPIdeaQuestionughWinkRolling Eyes that would be SO greatExclamation i loved the site, so much easier then asking in in-game chat channels. oh well, what must be done must be done.SadSadSadSad

Greshick
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2010.12.07 05:29:00 - [7]
 

I am interested in possibly taking control over control of the servers.

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2010.12.07 05:54:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Greshick
I am interested in possibly taking control over control of the servers.


I am not interested in letting anyone take over the site. That implies supporting them, continuing to support the site's codebase, and handing over a lot of data we've been trusted to keep private. That's not happening. This isn't just a cost thing, as I've said - the cost is a significant aspect (EM requires some fairly serious firepower, which costs a bunch), but the main point here is that I'm not continuing to develop it because I don't play EVE any more. Haven't done for some time now, for various reasons.

Marc Younbrog
Posted - 2010.12.07 06:01:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Marc Younbrog on 07/12/2010 06:05:15
And I was just about to design some nifty new Planet Industry displays with regular API calls to Eve-metrics.

If it's a matter of server cost, I surmise there are a number of EVE players (or perhaps CCP itself) that would be very interested in supporting the site.

If it's a matter of passing the torch, please do so.

At any rate, the EVE community would love a dump of your source code so that the possibility of ressurection is kept alive.

EDIT:
As far as private data goes, just release the code without the database, and let the players do a complete rebuild of the dataset. It shouldn't take *too* long, and with the activity that will happen over the winter season, it's the best time.

Epitrope
The Citadel Manufacturing and Trade Corporation
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:28:00 - [10]
 

Well, Ix, this is sad but not surprising. Thank you for building such great websites for EVE, and thank you for keeping them up for as long as you have.

I would be interested in a copy of the database, particularly the (anonymized) transactions, and I would encourage you to release the source code you've written. I'm also curious as to how much bandwidth you've been using on average for EVE Metrics.

Thanks again for demonstrating how to build amazing websites.
-Epitrope-

Smoke Adian
Caldari
League of Gentlemen
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:35:00 - [11]
 

Thanks for creating a really nice resource. Back to eve-central I guess (ugh).

Enilonee
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:37:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Enilonee on 07/12/2010 07:41:17
Thank you very much for creating such a useful (and beautiful!) website! That said i need to start begging:

Please at least release the sources under GPL (or any other open source licence).

Many of us would really, really hate seeing this site go away, especially as there is no comparable open source project (is there?) and it's one out of very few. All of the existing sites depend on their creators. Letting the community take over enables us to create a site that will outlast any single player. Naturally the same goes for third party tools written for your API.

It would give any commmunity effort a good foundation to start with.

As for support: Just don't. Without any means of contacting you, nobody could ask you to. Even if they tried you could still ignore them :-S

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:46:00 - [13]
 

Sad to see this as I love eve-metrics and use it a lot. I have been noticing fake orders, slow searching and API features not updating for the past few months so I was wondering what was up.

Maybe Santa Chribba Claus will give us a new site like eve-metrics this year? I've been good to my veldspar this year, Chribba!

Karbowiak
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:47:00 - [14]
 

Ix - my offer still stands..

And as for update, all it needs is a database update for the new items then its good to go again Wink

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:49:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Serious Masta on 07/12/2010 07:53:47
oh man.. thats bad news.
i like eve metrics and it was always a good source for price informations and it was on the way to the top above eve central :)

sad to hear :(...
do you thought on asking the community for donations or select a developer to take over the project?

i wish you all the best for your future, keep your head up :)

btw: please do not offer api keys, this would kill the trust in you and your project :(.

Karbowiak
Sniggerdly
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Serious Masta
oh man.. thats bad news.
i like eve metrics and it was always a good source for price informations and it was on the way to the top above eve central :)

sad to hear :(...
do you thought on asking the community for donations or select a developer to take over the project?

i wish you all the best for your future, keep your head up :)

btw: please do not offer api keys, this would kill the trust in you and your project :(.

i doubt he would give out API keys, hell - he even refused free hosting on the EVSCO/EVE-KILL servers, cause of the "private" data..

Johnny May
Posted - 2010.12.07 07:55:00 - [17]
 

ruby based side having high running costs?
now who would have guessed that.

Serious Masta
Posted - 2010.12.07 08:02:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Johnny May
ruby based side having high running costs?
now who would have guessed that.


hmm.. even php :)

1-2 servers (1 backup)
gigant traffic amount through popularity
market upload feeds (huge, even compressed)
a domain
.. and a lot other things to pay...

if you do not play a game, would you love it over years after your brak?

i can understand the consequence^^

Ix Forres
Caldari
Righteous Chaps
Posted - 2010.12.07 08:21:00 - [19]
 

I have no plans to release the source to the website at present, nor do I think I will do in the future. Running EM takes a lot of technical know-how and if people want to make a new EM, they'd be better off starting from scratch. The lessons we learned writing EM are well documented on mine and Makurid's blogs. There'd also be a lot of work involved in sorting the codebase out for an open source release; I'm shutting it down because I don't have time and money to sink into the site, not because I want to spend more time on it cleaning up a fairly large codebase for a generally available release.

Originally by: Serious Masta
btw: please do not offer api keys, this would kill the trust in you and your project :(.

The API keys submitted to EM and other projects are strictly private and would never be released.

Originally by: Johnny May
ruby based side having high running costs? now who would have guessed that.


Choice of language has very little to do with running costs except in the largest scale cases. We have a fairly middle-of-the-line server. The majority of the resources are dedicated to the fairly huge database behind the site itself (60 gigabytes of data in around 250 tables). The site's code isn't exactly heavyweight; in fact it's quite light, and intelligently cached.

Lorelei Tsu
Caldari
Sarum Industries
Jaegermeister Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.07 09:18:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Lorelei Tsu on 07/12/2010 13:26:18
Edited by: Lorelei Tsu on 07/12/2010 09:20:15 - typos
Hi all, hi Ix,

allow to introduce me - I am a Informatician and specializing in VLDB, very large databases (this is none, btw) and distributed systems. And am surprised about your decision, too. EVE-Metrics has been and is a great site I don't want to miss.

Beginning this month I wondered why your operating costs are so high and have begun to parse the data you're exporting by AMQP to create a second database, meant as backup. And well, so far it fits on a tiny SheevaPlug. I have ideas for a page to view the data, too.

Therefore I'd like to continue your legacy and provide further support and development for the EVE-Metrics uploader and infrastructure. Don't get me wrong, I don't want the API keys. If you are inclined to have an official successor project, please get in touch with me.

For the servers I will stick to my own technology. And try to offer an adequate replacement for the API you have gifted us so long.

Thank you!

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2010.12.07 09:34:00 - [21]
 

Speak with Chribba ?

Papa Yoru
Electric Monk inc
Redrum Fleet
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:21:00 - [22]
 

Thanks for the great sevice Ix o7

Hel O'Ween
Men On A Mission
EVE Trade Consortium
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:47:00 - [23]
 

I'm sad to see you go finally. I expected that after you dropped some hints in another thread. But I still hoped I might be wrong and misreading those words.

Thanks a lot, guys, for all the work you provided to the community.

Whatever you from then on - have fun and success!

Dontanii
Posted - 2010.12.07 10:50:00 - [24]
 

where is your blog?

Ryan Easte
Caldari
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:00:00 - [25]
 

I have only been playing eve just over a year and fell in love with your site. It will be sorely missed, at least by me. I understand why it has come to this tho, times change etc etc. Wish you well on future endeavors. It will be interesting to see if the communities in eve will band together to create something new and if so I hope it will be of the same standard and caliber.

Thanks for all you have done for us

Ryan Easte

Tahnil
GNADE Inc.
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:05:00 - [26]
 

This is really bad news. I'm really sorry to hear that. I loved your site, Ix.

Please consider to hand over the site to some other guy. You could delete all API Keys beforehand. There MUST be some way out of here. Confused

Myoko Borealis
Posted - 2010.12.07 12:40:00 - [27]
 

Thanks alot Ix for all the work dedicated to the eve community!

It would be a sad thing if you finally decide to hand over your work to oblivion. Please reconsider the offers of the community to take over EM and the uploader. It's like an atom bomb struck a once thriving and highly evolved race now again starting over with flint and tinder. I can only beg you as a professional software developer, who does understand your decision to shut down, to pass on your legacy.

Whatever you decide, thank you very much!

Wollari
Phoenix Industries
Wicked Nation
Posted - 2010.12.07 13:39:00 - [28]
 

Sad to see the page going. Good luck for your personal future Ix.

Demonic Moo
Minmatar
Necrogami Corp
Posted - 2010.12.07 15:11:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Ix Forres
Edited by: Ix Forres on 06/12/2010 21:21:09
If you have a burning desire to grab a copy of the database and have the 50-odd gigs of space you'd need to be able to load it, I may consider providing a sanitized DB dump on a selective basis, but most of what we have is in the dumps we've been publishing already, so I don't think there's anything much to be gained from the DB dump.



IX i'd be interested in getting a sanitized dump of your db.
Hit me up on irc i'm Necrogami

Norian Lonark
Gallente
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
Posted - 2010.12.07 16:22:00 - [30]
 

Its sad to see it go its been a great tool for a lot of players but things change and people move on.

Thanks for all the time and effort that went into the project Smile



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