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Malfesa Longoten
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:29:00 - [1]
 

So here I was, happily running missions for Amarr and trying to build up my standings to get the Cosmos 2-run ship BPCs. Always got the usual Materials for War, Transaction Data Delivery (which both blew for standings), of course Special Delivery, and then the ones like Shipyard Theft, Covering Your Tracks, etc, which gave good standings.

Now, CCP decided there weren't quite enough storylines. Fair enough, I basically agreed. But their solution was to add new COURIER level 4 storylines. Now, this wouldn't be so bad if they were like Special Delivery or something. But they are all really crappy courier ones, which give somewhere in the neighborhood of 1% or less. Whoopie! Super crappy pay, and horrible standings. So this was the great idea, CCP?

So... two questions:

Has anyone else been getting similar storylines for level 4s, or any of the older ones at all?

Does anyone have any recommendations for good level 4 Amarr agents to run for in order to get the "better" storylines (standings wise)?

JonShannow
Caldari
Regante
Posted - 2010.12.06 05:53:00 - [2]
 

If I remember correctly, new missions start out with a crappy payout then increase with time, some combo of the amount of people completing and the time taken to complete.

Xentara Vispari
Posted - 2010.12.06 16:12:00 - [3]
 

Quote:
Has anyone else been getting similar storylines for level 4s, or any of the older ones at all?


Got 2 Lvl 4 story lines over the weekend:
"Opium for the masses" - new LVL 4 courier - about 1% faction standing.
"Covering your tracks" - old LVL 4 combat - about 8% faction standing.

I think CCP added more crappy story lines into the story line mission pool, because with better skills and
pimped missions ships people are completing missions a lot faster and are gaining faction standing a lot
quicker. To compensate this effect, they added more crappy story lines.

Koarl III
Posted - 2010.12.06 19:37:00 - [4]
 

i am kind of stuck with my storylines. i don't get any new missions a all.

three different storyline agents offered me the SAME mission for 2 weeks now. its alwas FEDERAL CONFIDENCE ... and i decline it always because i dont want to ruin my caldari standing.

so i would be happy about some crappy couriers. better than empire faction slapping, cause this will cause some trouble on the long term for sure.

Ayzn Betokhn
Posted - 2010.12.06 21:25:00 - [5]
 

I agree the new storylines are lousy. It's been the gallente mission runners that had been complaining, so in the spirit of fairness now all the factions get crappy storyline missions. I don't even know what the standings gain would have been for the 2 or 3 I turned down over the weekend. Taking 8000 m3 through hagilur for less payout than a good level 1 mission just didn't seem worth doing at all.

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2010.12.07 00:09:00 - [6]
 

Remember the dynamic system for mission rewards; that's the cause here. The server keeps track of overall average completion time for every version of the mission, and the rewards are adjusted up or down based on those times. Missions that take a long time on average get big payments of ISK, loyalty points, and standings. They also get big time bonus payments and long bonus time windows. The faster this gets completed on average, the lower the rewards. This is the reason why some missions like Angel Extravaganza pay so well (takes a while to run even if you have maxxed skills and a killer ship) and why Materials For War Preparation sucks so hard (everyone typically completes that mission in 5 seconds, already having the minerals on hand before they accept it).

Every time they add new missions, they start from default. The more people run them, the more they'll adjust to their true value. It'll take a while to sort out.

Malfesa Longoten
Posted - 2010.12.07 01:59:00 - [7]
 

That's all fine and good... but these are crappy couriers that are never going to be anything but crappy couriers. The payout sucks and will continue to do so, and the standings increase is utter crap.

Now, there's a reason for this, I'm sure. But it has to be some sort of backwards CCP logic or something. Or maybe Xentara hit the nail on the head.

Either way, it's frustrating as hell. Especially to be so close to the 2-run BS BPC right now... but with these crappy storylines, so very far away.

Swidgen
Posted - 2010.12.07 11:30:00 - [8]
 

I think Xentera might be onto something here. If true, then this is a stealth nerf to mission runners trying to grind standings. The rate at which your standings go up, both faction and npc corp, just slowed to a crawl for all practical purposes. The implications of this are greater than people realize, and will ultimately result in a smaller isk faucet from bounties and mission rewards/LP. Hmmm.... where did we see that mentioned recently?

If your standings are p.good now then you're not affected so much. The biggest nerf is to people trying to get those standings up, whether for R&D agents, cosmos missions, or hisec POS anchoring. Not to mention people trying to get bad faction standings out of the toilet if they're below -2.

Hinaa
Gallente
High Voltage Industries
Posted - 2010.12.09 01:38:00 - [9]
 

I'm running a lot lev 4, and getting a few storylies in past few weeks.
Last one throw me on my knees...

something about galente spy in caldari shipyard who sabotages some stealth coating on black ops and my job to bring some special compound to counter the sabotage. Well story was ok, BUT ... 7500m3, 7 jumps and....490 000 isk...I didn't check standing increase because I'm already past +8 so it doesn't matter anyway.

Usually courier storyline mission [lev 4] was rewarded with few MILLIONS isk...
and implant or something juicy.

Not anymore, I also had shipyard theft [kill] storyline with no implant bonus.
In all lev 4 missions loot was nerfed greatly, salvag...well getting scrap metal is really annoying. And now isk reward being manipulated as well [only for story line so far], what next ?

LifeHatesMe
Posted - 2010.12.09 05:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hinaa
[...]Usually courier storyline mission [lev 4] was rewarded with few MILLIONS isk...
and implant or something juicy.

Not anymore, I also had shipyard theft [kill] storyline with no implant bonus.
In all lev 4 missions loot was nerfed greatly, salvag...well getting scrap metal is really annoying. And now isk reward being manipulated as well [only for story line so far], what next ?

Great way to reward all the new players eh? :/ I've been trying to increase my refining standings with different corps, and I've come across these "new storylines". Not too happy about the faction missions that aren't listed as factions either.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2010.12.09 07:50:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Hinaa
I'm running a lot lev 4, and getting a few storylies in past few weeks.
Last one throw me on my knees...

something about galente spy in caldari shipyard who sabotages some stealth coating on black ops and my job to bring some special compound to counter the sabotage. Well story was ok, BUT ... 7500m3, 7 jumps and....490 000 isk...I didn't check standing increase because I'm already past +8 so it doesn't matter anyway.

Usually courier storyline mission [lev 4] was rewarded with few MILLIONS isk...
and implant or something juicy.

Not anymore, I also had shipyard theft [kill] storyline with no implant bonus.
In all lev 4 missions loot was nerfed greatly, salvag...well getting scrap metal is really annoying. And now isk reward being manipulated as well [only for story line so far], what next ?




Coming in January:

Wart tax (50% reduction in bounties)in constellations under a Sansha incursion and no reward for killing the incursion ships unless you are in the best performing fleet in a incursion pocket.

HeliosGal
Caldari
Posted - 2010.12.09 10:56:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Originally by: Hinaa
I'm running a lot lev 4, and getting a few storylies in past few weeks.
Last one throw me on my knees...

something about galente spy in caldari shipyard who sabotages some stealth coating on black ops and my job to bring some special compound to counter the sabotage. Well story was ok, BUT ... 7500m3, 7 jumps and....490 000 isk...I didn't check standing increase because I'm already past +8 so it doesn't matter anyway.

Usually courier storyline mission [lev 4] was rewarded with few MILLIONS isk...
and implant or something juicy.

Not anymore, I also had shipyard theft [kill] storyline with no implant bonus.
In all lev 4 missions loot was nerfed greatly, salvag...well getting scrap metal is really annoying. And now isk reward being manipulated as well [only for story line so far], what next ?




Coming in January:

Wart tax (50% reduction in bounties)in constellations under a Sansha incursion and no reward for killing the incursion ships unless you are in the best performing fleet in a incursion pocket.


add to this on all the gates in affected systems uber npcs will camp and kill all afk haulers freightes and everything else going through ! should be interesting YARRRR!!

Sandrestal
Posted - 2010.12.09 12:44:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: HeliosGal
stuff




Coming in January:

Wart tax (50% reduction in bounties)in constellations under a Sansha incursion and no reward for killing the incursion ships unless you are in the best performing fleet in a incursion pocket.


add to this on all the gates in affected systems uber npcs will camp and kill all afk haulers freightes and everything else going through ! should be interesting YARRRR!!


So if Sanshas kill your ship will the wreck be able to be tractor'd by anyone? If so I can see a new use for the noctis as long as Sanshas can't do much damage past 60k


 

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