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Ozwald Rens
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:17:00 - [1591]
 

Originally by: Elzon1
In today's world the only real way to fight off bots is to create an automated detection system. However, if the bots or bot owners can figure out how the system is detecting them then they rewrite the bot to avoid being detected. So if CCP just creates a simple program to detect botters that is based on the capabilities of actual humans then the bot will be rewritten until it matches the definition of "human" according to the detection program. If the situation becomes that of simple adjustments of the program overtime then it becomes like a back and forth battle between botters and CCP.

However, the fun begins when CCP takes the time to make a well written program that prevents the bot from figuring out how it is being detected. Such a program could take a considerable time to write. They would have to make sure it is complex enough that there wouldn't be a way for a bot or human to detect any of the indivdual components of the program. If it becomes possible for the botter to detect individual parts then the botter will eventually be able to write a bot to avoid all of the individual parts and CCP would have lost the battle.

My theory is that CCP is currently working on a program like this and are taking their time to get it right the first time, otherwise they are back at square one. The moment they start doing mass permabans is the moment the battle begins to avoid detection. If the first shot doesn't work good enough to kill the majority of harmful bots and avoid detection from the botters then it would have been a complete failure.

Bots nowadays are far too easy to detect even by human standards. Now of course all such easily detectable bots have been tagged so they will be the first heads on the chopping blocks. Make no mistake CCP wants that RMT money as they could hire quite a few more workers with it. So, I am sure CCP is keeping the nitty gritty secret so the botters/rmt don't get a leg up in the coming battle. I heard a rumor a while back that CCP had a plan for getting rid of the bots and that they were going to start it in Feburary or at least have it completed sometime during that past month. If CCP does in fact have such a plan, then I think it would be prudent to start it up BEFORE fanfest. During fanfest such a plan could be leaked to a botter/rmt individual quite easily. If such a thing were to happen then you would lose the advantage in this fight as that individual would now know your current progress and be able to counter it. There is a good amount of money in it, so you can go ahead and assume that such a thing would happen.

If there isn't a plan, then I would go ahead and start making one. If you don't want to make a plan then at least create a basic detection program to get rid of the obvious bots and try to generally get the capabilities of individual bot accounts down to the capabilities of a human. However, there is a good amount of money in CCP countering bots and taking the flow of RMT money through PLEX so I think I can assume they have a plan in the works.

Well, we will see what happens come fanfest, hopefully its good news. If botting/rmt doesn't ever come up during fanfest then I will simply check to see it battlestar galactica is any good. ugh


I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:30:00 - [1592]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 06/03/2011 04:32:22
Originally by: Ozwald Rens
I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)

This is true. It would be interesting to get some data (which CCP must have) that shows isk generation and time online, in a graph for botters and non-botters over 24, 7 day and 30 day periods.

I'm sure there would be distinct differences.

And preemptively using that information would net you a lot of potential bots to ban. By preemptively I mean thinking of ways to detect bots, without a fanfest exposing all your intentions and tactics and mass banning a whole bunch at once before they adapt. Then rinse and repeat.

The war on bots / RMT is like a mini-version of the war on drugs. Theres no silver bullet, it will take a permanant and skillful team of CCP employee's to control it. If you killed every single method of botting in game you would still have farmers, real humans in developing countries, renting and farming in person, to raise funds for RMT.

Ozwald Rens
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:36:00 - [1593]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 06/03/2011 04:32:22
Originally by: Ozwald Rens
I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)

This is true. It would be interesting to get some data (which CCP must have) that shows isk generation and time online, in a graph for botters and non-botters over 24, 7 day and 30 day periods.

I'm sure there would be distinct differences.

And preemptively using that information would net you a lot of potential bots to ban. By preemptively I mean thinking of ways to detect bots, without a fanfest exposing all your intentions and tactics and mass banning a whole bunch at once before they adapt. Then rinse and repeat.

The war on bots / RMT is like a mini-version of the war on drugs. Theres no silver bullet, it will take a permanant and skillful team of CCP employee's to control it. If you killed every single method of botting in game you would still have farmers, real humans in developing countries, renting and farming in person, to raise funds for RMT.


Yep, all it takes is the data mining mentioned above plus a feature that allows GMs to send a captcha request to a player (or an algorithm that sends those automatically based on some triggers etc)

Bhattran
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:41:00 - [1594]
 

Originally by: Ozwald Rens


I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)


Everything you mention has been mentioned before and none of the 'easy angles' are automatic guaranteed to give you a bot, unless you find a character running 23/7 for 5+ days, not online, but in game running missions/mining/ratting with no time to sleep, shower, deficate, eat, etc. The rest of the 'easy angles' are only going to point to suspects that have to be further monitored and a manual check won't clear the suspects. So you were there when the captcha appeared, which many have said can be handled by bots, does that mean you aren't botting?

Bot detection starts with narrowing down all accounts to ones that are suspect then investigating them further through more suspicious behavior/data being collected. Either there will appear a 100% 'got you' like 20days of 23/7 'active' playing', or exacting routines that point to a scripted behavior, or you have to further investigate with things like GM convo requests, or other GM interventions like dumping your ship 10 jumps away, jamming it, having real conversations, etc. Short of that you'd need to look at the client's machine, or client, to see bot programs running if that is even effective and can't be circumvented.

Getting suspects is 'easy' narrowing them down to the actual bots and 'proving' it is not in any case where the botter actually puts effort into not being caught red handed.

Beyond all that is fundamentally changing the game so botting isn't effective, as in revamping PVE mechanics. Talk of making mining require more interaction through scanning roids and 'hot spots' or 'empty roids' staying on grid that when mined return nothing, etc.

Sahmul
The Grimreapers.
Posted - 2011.03.06 05:11:00 - [1595]
 

@Ozwald

You should educate yourself. Captcha was broken by botters a long time ago.

I'd love to see an end to bots, but Captcha's are not the solution. All they achieve is to slightly inconvenience bot writers, and to annoy actual players.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.06 05:31:00 - [1596]
 

ve becomes more crappp because of MACROs

Jita is macro 24/7... mining is all macro, 0.0 and missions are macro. If you are do not macro you pay for those guys with plexes, so you can grind less and PvP more.

Hence = everybody macro. Eve - another yellow FRPG (asi-like fail online RPG)

eve is FAILING

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.06 05:42:00 - [1597]
 

Edited by: Opertone on 06/03/2011 05:42:57
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.

CCP should permaban players who actually macro. Unless they do it, gamebalance will be dead and the quality of eve will be ruined. EvE will become stale, later on people will stop playing, some will keep their characters. Game will become stupid, no new subscribes no awards. RPG's death - red dwarf... becomes so rotten and plagued with ASI-parasites that nobody wants to play.

ASI-parasites these ISK farmers, macro makers, people from 3rd world countries who turn RPGs into RMT business. They have car tires to steal, push them out of online entertainment - it is too delicate for their corrupt imagination.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.03.06 07:47:00 - [1598]
 

captchas are a completely unacceptable solution from a game design POV as they #1 immersion breakers.

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.03.06 08:09:00 - [1599]
 

Originally by: Ozwald Rens
I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue. Plus, CCP could always implement a system that asks a player to enter a captcha if they are to bot-like for a prolonged period of time. (this by the way, has been done successfully in online poker as well)


This is exactly what I meant by detecting bots, looking for their activity. You can't really run a search for a bot program and think you are going to find one in-game. You look for pridictable behavior used by botters. You could even set something up to plug in bot programs you have downloaded and see if there are any players using such behavior. When those programs update you get an update as well and run more scans.

On the subject of captchas, there are many bots that have the capability to crack them.

Its all about hitting them all hard and in such a complex way that they can't figure out exactly what procedures were used in order to detect them.

Zophos Akratos
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.03.06 08:29:00 - [1600]
 

Originally by: Opertone
ve becomes more crappp because of MACROs

Jita is macro 24/7... mining is all macro, 0.0 and missions are macro. If you are do not macro you pay for those guys with plexes, so you can grind less and PvP more.

Hence = everybody macro. Eve - another yellow FRPG (asi-like fail online RPG)

eve is FAILING


Are you sure that missions can be macro'd aswell? I was actually hoping that that was one of the few things besides actual PvP that cannot be dominated by macro's :[?

And yes, I know macro's rat, but that's different from missioning.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.03.06 09:05:00 - [1601]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 06/03/2011 09:15:15
Originally by: Zophos Akratos
Are you sure that missions can be macro'd aswell? I was actually hoping that that was one of the few things besides actual PvP that cannot be dominated by macro's :[?

Missions can be automated as well - currently there are at least two mission running bots on the market (both are free & sourcecode is publicly available but they require subscription-based software to work).

The one I had a closer look at seems to have a few limitations (purely drone based setups don't work well, omni tank is required) but is able to pick up missions, select suitable ammo, execute missions (including non-combat actions like fetching stuff from cans), warp into safety when tank or capacitor is low, prioritize tackling ships (and webbing ones if you run a speed tank), do looting and salvaging either on the fly (Marauders) or with a dedicated salvaging ship once the mission is completed, and hand in missions.
Mission actions are read from XML files, if no specific actions have been defined the tool just waits 15s for aggression, then continues to clear the room, looks for the next acceleration gate and repeats until no acceleration gate is left.
The mission definition XML files basically give a description of the mission actions like "kill every ship except for Kruul; kill Kruul; kill every ship that has spawned; shoot the Pleasure Hub but stop once attackers appear and kill these before resuming to shoot the Hub; loot the Damsel from one of the cargo cans; return home".

Typical ships seem to be Marauders and Tengus - a larger operation would obviously benefit from fleet boosting alts in the most common solar systems. Unlike ratting bots you can of course put any amount of mission bots into a single solar system without experiencing diminishing returns. On the other hand due to the "only omni-tanking" limitation fairly expensive ships and/or high SP characters seem to be required.

Mission running is done in deadspace pockets and as such much further from the public's eyes than belt mining. Therefore it is very hard to estimate how many people use mission bots - but the necessary software does exist and is only a google search away.

edit: as for actual pvp - there's no plausible reason why you couldn't automate large fleet pvp as long as FC orders are consistently relied through fleet broadcasts.
"align there", "shoot this", "give this ship some RR", ... are all actions that could easily be executed by a bot.

Mangold
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2011.03.06 15:05:00 - [1602]
 

It would be great to hear something from CCP about this.

Or is the silence saying that it's ok to bot? I sure as **** have seen a fair share of chars that are on every time I manage to visit their system. Could be someone without a job, but seriously, do you believe that?

This game used to harsh and a loss really ment something as people had to work to gather enough isk to buy a new ship again. That's no more.

So.....what's the reason to play this game instead of something else? The reasons are getting few.

hothcar
Posted - 2011.03.06 15:42:00 - [1603]
 

I like the idea of mass account unsubs to get ccp's attention quickly. Maybe they will do away with the offical excuse of "I was drunk" as a reason for underperformance. Star Wars is coming and you guys had better step this game up quickly or risk becoming the game mentioned in G4 tv game show and I think you know what I mean.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.06 16:16:00 - [1604]
 

Originally by: Zophos Akratos

Are you sure that missions can be macro'd aswell? I was actually hoping that that was one of the few things besides actual PvP that cannot be dominated by macro's :[?

And yes, I know macro's rat, but that's different from missioning.


I studied macro related resources. According to numerous forums, macro programs can work with client interface - i.e. move mouse cursor and identify pixels and read directly the memory of the client.

Yeah, missions can be macroed, this is confirmed by third party script writers, they create a suitable script which can slowly deal with mission NPCs and random objectives. The macro identifies targets in overview and shoots them, when necessary it can shield boost or warp out. It just takes more time to write the script for each mission to make it fully automatic.

There is spam bot, autopilot bot, NPC hunting bot, mining bot, hauling bot, courier mission bot and kill mission bot. Trade bot is fairly easy to make and I assume some in-house versions exist.

Cornerwood
Posted - 2011.03.06 17:34:00 - [1605]
 

Edited by: Cornerwood on 06/03/2011 17:34:51
Take a blue or red pill, it will not change the fact bots run eve.

Seems that only way to get giant leap ahead these bots is to implement Captcha and develope it even further.

There is always whiners when choice has been made.

People must be somewhat working together in this thing or eve will just vanish like other "dynasties". We must take our heads out from that fantasy of thinking captcha or recaptcha ruins eve.

Ofcourse first real step is always hard for baby. Eve is like baby on this and have not made any steps. Some minor tries, but there is no try only doing best we get rid of botting. Ccp needs action and lead the way to get rid all bots from beginning.

Nina Mercedez
Posted - 2011.03.06 18:33:00 - [1606]
 

Originally by: Opertone
Originally by: Mangold
It would be great to hear something from CCP about this.

Or is the silence saying that it's ok to bot? I sure as **** have seen a fair share of chars that are on every time I manage to visit their system. Could be someone without a job, but seriously, do you believe that?

This game used to harsh and a loss really ment something as people had to work to gather enough isk to buy a new ship again. That's no more.

So.....what's the reason to play this game instead of something else? The reasons are getting few.


... this game is ***** and you need to macro, hack, and yellow to enjoy it. Asian attempt to kill the game is not unnoticed, paying to play a failed game is a FAILURE.


I must say I've never see that word (the censored one) used in that context before.

Opertone
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.03.06 19:02:00 - [1607]
 

Originally by: Janis Ezra
Edited by: Janis Ezra on 05/03/2011 23:41:26
Be happy CCP is doing nothing against bots.
With an active anti bot policy, all big alliances and corporations would be dead, they need 23/7 ratters/miners. And as you can see in various famous blogs about botting, there are more then you think. A single 23/7 ratter could restock a whole corp.
No alliances = no competition = no PvP = game dead.

Plus the fact that CCP likes the juicy income from bots. Adapt or die.


liar or sucker... mustba be sucker, with anti bot policy game becomes playable by people WHO actually constitute 80% of playing base, who pay with their credit cards regularly and have 2-3 hours a day to play. With bots banned your 2-3 hours becomes comparable to other human beings in how hard it is to gain the resources to wage war. It becomes more enjoyable and competitive for casual players.

You advocate that with HACKs EvE appeals to 20% of the player base who actively support hacking and botting to gain advantage. Your statement is full of deception.

Brannoncyll
The Rip Tide
Posted - 2011.03.06 20:27:00 - [1608]
 

Originally by: Opertone
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



One of the guys in our corp regularly mines with 3 hulks and an orca simultaneously. This is not difficult because the cycle times are so long. He has a clever arrangement of the four clients such that there is one main screen, and behind this are arrayed the other 3 such that the modules interfaces are all visible on screen. He has also demonstrated his proficiency with this setup in level 4 missions and in PvP.


Burnharder
Posted - 2011.03.06 20:41:00 - [1609]
 

Originally by: Brannoncyll
Originally by: Opertone
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



One of the guys in our corp regularly mines with 3 hulks and an orca simultaneously. This is not difficult because the cycle times are so long. He has a clever arrangement of the four clients such that there is one main screen, and behind this are arrayed the other 3 such that the modules interfaces are all visible on screen. He has also demonstrated his proficiency with this setup in level 4 missions and in PvP.




I alt-tab mine, but have 3 separate client installs, each with a different UI colour so I can easily identify who's who.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.06 20:46:00 - [1610]
 

Originally by: Burnharder
Originally by: Brannoncyll
Originally by: Opertone
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



One of the guys in our corp regularly mines with 3 hulks and an orca simultaneously. This is not difficult because the cycle times are so long. He has a clever arrangement of the four clients such that there is one main screen, and behind this are arrayed the other 3 such that the modules interfaces are all visible on screen. He has also demonstrated his proficiency with this setup in level 4 missions and in PvP.




I alt-tab mine, but have 3 separate client installs, each with a different UI colour so I can easily identify who's who.



Not to mention if a bunch of friends in a dorm, or on a college campus, happen to be playing together. Any filtering by IP is meaningless because you risk massive amounts of false positives.

Sahmul
The Grimreapers.
Posted - 2011.03.06 23:21:00 - [1611]
 

Originally by: Cornerwood

We must take our heads out from that fantasy of thinking captcha or recaptcha ruins eve.



I'd prefer people to let go of the fantasy that Captcha has any effect whatsoever on bots.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.07 00:13:00 - [1612]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus


That their bots don't account for slingbubbles at the pos they safe up on if a hostile/neutral enters local, and that they definitely aren't operated by humans as they would never warp into something repeatedly anchored UNDER THEIR OWN EYES.
They're also active 23/7.

So yes, they're all bots.



i suppose that if they did it over and over (like more than a couple of times)... and that you are certain that they didn't understand what a safe-spot is, and that they weren't actually using any of the readily available bots that detect reds and nuets in system... then yeah, you're probably right.

but the point still remains: 2 probable and 10-16 possible bots does NOT make an alliance rich. especially considering the number of moons that particular alliance has access to. or any large alliance for that matter.

again, to me the chances are higher that 'some' individuals run bots selfishly - i.e. not really combining efforts to mass produce titans.

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.07 01:06:00 - [1613]
 

Originally by: Opertone
Edited by: Opertone on 06/03/2011 05:42:57
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?

I also play with many other persons, that run more than one account out through the same IP gateway, one group of people is a Family, Mom, Dad and the kids.

Tell me again, this is how Bots operate?


Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.03.07 06:41:00 - [1614]
 

Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete

Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?


^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.

Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
Posted - 2011.03.07 06:53:00 - [1615]
 

Originally by: Minarete
Originally by: Opertone
Edited by: Opertone on 06/03/2011 05:42:57
typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?

I also play with many other persons, that run more than one account out through the same IP gateway, one group of people is a Family, Mom, Dad and the kids.

Tell me again, this is how Bots operate?




No, it's just the kind of silly excuses they use ...

Cornerwood
Posted - 2011.03.07 11:48:00 - [1616]
 

So if Captcha is not working.

Using somekind of form with dummy fields. The dummy fields are invisible to users but, bots will fill them and submit values. Maybe random order in dummy and real fields could make the difference so bots are caught Razz.

Normal users are not harmed by this.Wink

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.07 12:12:00 - [1617]
 

Edited by: Venkul Mul on 07/03/2011 12:21:41
Originally by: Opertone

typical macro behavior - more than 1 client with same IP adress, all grouped up for mining... all actively playing which is not possible if it was real human.



You are serious? Rolling Eyes

With current mining mechanics it is easy to run 3 mining characters and a orca pilot with the same PC with minimal loss of efficiency without the need of any macro.

Probably if you use a dual screen set up you will be capable to use them at peak efficiency with relatively little work.

Originally by: Ozwald Rens

I think you are missing one easy angle to detect botting: instead of checking for the actual bot programme running, you can simply check for bot-like behaviour (online 23/7, always warps out when somebody jumps into system, etc) - sure, this could in principle affect a "real person", in that case, i'm sure a manual check up will resolve the issue.


"online 23/7": there is some bot still doing really that?

It really easy to log off and log on anther character on the same same account so I suspect most botters will run 2 characters 12 hours each or 3 on 8 hours streaks to reduce chance of detection.

I hope that CCP is monitoring the time an account stay logged, not the time a single character stay logged, but even in that scenario it is relatively easy to pay multiple accounts with the bot revenue and log them only for 8-12 hours every day.
There will be an increase in the cost of running a bot, but if the revenue we see reported is right it will still pay for the botter.


Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.03.07 17:26:00 - [1618]
 

Originally by: Sahmul
Originally by: Cornerwood

We must take our heads out from that fantasy of thinking captcha or recaptcha ruins eve.



I'd prefer people to let go of the fantasy that Captcha has any effect whatsoever on bots.


Ah, but they would. Well, they would with the simple "timer" style bots. The ones that mine, and when their ship explodes the pod keeps warping back and forth like its still in a ship.

The more advanced bots can be programmed around captchas, so captchas are of limited use. So captchas must be very carefully resigned into the game to stop the timer macros while not annoying the players. Example:

Replace asteroid fields with large single asteroids in a system wide belt.

When you go to one of these, you see ore deposits on the surface that a human looking at the screen can easily distinguish. You can target different parts of the roid, and if you target and mine a deposit, you get ore.

For a human miner, its easy. Fly to the roid, target a deposit, turn on the miners, watch TV until the hold is full.

But a timer macro is helpless. All users of such would have to buy better bots. Some might actually decide to not bother. So this would be one of several bot blocking changes CCP could make. Other changes would block and/or detect the advanced bots.

Slate Shoa
Posted - 2011.03.07 23:17:00 - [1619]
 

Someone should go through this entire topic, post by post, and summarize all the constructive comments in one giant post. Not me!

Bump

Minarete
Amarr
Posted - 2011.03.08 00:05:00 - [1620]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 07/03/2011 06:41:44
Originally by: Minarete

Are you nuts? I run 4 Hulks, an Orca, and a Mammoth hauler all being run by ONE person, ME. And... this all goes out through a single IP address on my DSL router. I was Mining Saturday like this, so that makes me a Bot?



^^ Good reason to remove plex, apart from funding bots it funds stupidity like the above.


What exactly, does Plex have to do with the fact that I manually run 3 computers using 6 accounts? you make no sense at all.
I pay for all of my accounts with PayPal, a small drop in the bucket each month, I know people that drink more than that in a single night!

And tell me, what about what I do is stupid? the fact that you dont like to do what I do? /shrug, I dont get it.



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