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Sitara
Minmatar
Solar Flare Trade and Production
Posted - 2011.03.04 20:45:00 - [1561]
 

Originally by: Arnakoz
that is a conundrum - because the purpose of plex is to create an effective exchange rate of ISK/$. You see, as the ISK value of PLEX goes up, the value of the isk in real money goes down; because who is going to pay $20 for 500M, and take a risk, when they could buy a PLEX for $15 and get 450M. so what CCP did was cut the profitability of the RMT guys in half. plus, people who may have otherwise gone to the RMT guys now have a method of legally obtaining isk with real $; further decreasing the rewards of botting/RMT.

but i do see you're point. there is something ultimately unfair about the fact that people with real cash will go vastly further than those without. but we would still have the problem that those same people could have still gone to the RMT guys - thus plex isn't really the problem. it is that plex needs to exist in the first place. personally i think PLEX was genius. and i'm not even one who can afford them (in RL or in game...)


I hear what you're saying and I also understand (but disagree with) the way CCP attempt to justify plex and GTC sales over so called 'RMT' in terms of flows of RL cash and isk. However from what I've experienced the main impact of these has been to turn RMT (by my definition which is *any* purchase of isk for RL cash) from a secretive and relatively dangerous passtime to the 'norm'.

I could easily afford to buy billions of isk but dont - the situation is for me analogous to the old moral 'lesson' about a medal - you can win one in a competition in which case it means something or you could pop down to the medal shop and buy one (in which case its meaningless). Now that's my view and others may disagree - (its the same reason I've never in a long gaming career used 'cheat codes' in single player games).

Now in single player games its not an issue - the only person you're competing with is yourself - if someone is the type who likes to cheat at solitaire and convince themselves they're uber then fine, whatever floats their boat. However, in an MMO setting, particularly a PvP centric one any form of RMT 'un-levels' the playing field and I lose interest for the same reason I would choose not to play any 'rigged' game.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 21:27:00 - [1562]
 

Originally by: Xelena Shellar


The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P


this is actually my point. to me all of this bot and RMT talk is mute and mere whining. b/c when you really think about it even if it were all fixed the game would still be exactly the same. the market may shift, but ends profits will be about the same and people will still find something useless to complain about being unfair.

mkmin
Posted - 2011.03.04 21:46:00 - [1563]
 

Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: Xelena Shellar


The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P


this is actually my point. to me all of this bot and RMT talk is mute and mere whining. b/c when you really think about it even if it were all fixed the game would still be exactly the same. the market may shift, but ends profits will be about the same and people will still find something useless to complain about being unfair.


Not exactly. If supercaps were no longer essentially free for the mega alliances, there would be more opportunity for conflict without fear of a super-carrier fleet getting hotdropped on your solo rifter.

Sito Jaxa
Posted - 2011.03.04 22:15:00 - [1564]
 

Originally by: mkmin
Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: Xelena Shellar


The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P


this is actually my point. to me all of this bot and RMT talk is mute and mere whining. b/c when you really think about it even if it were all fixed the game would still be exactly the same. the market may shift, but ends profits will be about the same and people will still find something useless to complain about being unfair.


Not exactly. If supercaps were no longer essentially free for the mega alliances, there would be more opportunity for conflict without fear of a super-carrier fleet getting hotdropped on your solo rifter.


As an alternative to expecting CCP to rebalance the game for your rifter you could just disengage and warp away from the supercap fleet.

You can't fight every time you see an enemy in this game. You have to know your strengths and weaknesses. You have to be a little smarter then average or at least join a fleet with a smarter then average FC.

Big alliances will always hold tech moons, make bank on their share of taxes, and have stupid amounts of ISK. Botting just extends the capfest one notch down the ladder.

Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.04 22:30:00 - [1565]
 

Edited by: Arnakoz on 04/03/2011 22:40:38
Edited by: Arnakoz on 04/03/2011 22:31:52
Originally by: mkmin


Not exactly. If supercaps were no longer essentially free for the mega alliances, there would be more opportunity for conflict without fear of a super-carrier fleet getting hotdropped on your solo rifter.


i still contend that botting isn't the main stay of large alliances' income. i'm sure they do it. but i doubt that compared to their moon and t2 bpo/t3 production income it isn't much more than supplemental. add in renters, contracts, fees, (normal) ratting, playing hi v null markets... the more t2 bpos owned the harder it would be to match.
I mean, from what i understand one bot earns about as much as a moon or two per month. these large alliances have access to thousands of moons. do you figure they are going to run thousands of bots? maybe upwards of a hundred - but i think even that would be extreme.

further, the longer an alliance has been around, the more supercaps they will have amassed. so even minus bots and RMT it will get to that same point regardless. it isn't like these alliance simply wouldn't never be able to afford more than one or two. no, every time they have a pilot ready for the seat and the funds available they will make another.

lastly, RMT will always exist. even if it becomes back-room exchanges between buddies. thus some bored millionaire will have the same unfair advantage in game as he does out of game.

i hate to keep repeating myself here, but its all pointless.
to me the only valid argument is one colloquial to steroid use - you have morals and shouldn't be at a disadvantage to those who don't. but considering that the very nature of this game attracts intelligent risk taking types, good luck getting rid of it.

edit: i also believe that the vast majority of bots are individuals running 2 or 3 accounts, some or all botting while they're not playing, or just one of the group botting for added income. not really a "free supercap creation tool" at that point.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.03.04 23:11:00 - [1566]
 

Originally by: Xelena Shellar
Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: G 0 D

I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


my question: how is people having more money a more unfair advantage than people having more time to play?


The real question here is 'Who ever told all these people that EVE was fair?" EVE is by design the most terribly unfair MMO out there, it is part of its charm :P

This is such a stupid argument.

EvE is fair. It always has been fair. Fair means everyone has the same chance. What you are talking about is its harshness. Theres nothing in EvE that you cannot avoid using ingame mechanics except RMT and botting.

Botting is unfair because its outside the rules of the game, which you agree to abide by when you sign up. Its something that you cannot avoid or counter unless you yourself break the rules of the game and bot.

To say that botting is okay because EvE is a harsh game is garbage. Botting takes the harshness of EvE and throws it in the toilet. With the ISK stream from botting behind you you are simply playing a respawn reship game without harshness or penalty.

Richard Aiel
Caldari
Umbra Exitium
Order Of The Unforgiving
Posted - 2011.03.05 00:43:00 - [1567]
 

Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: G 0 D

I am very serious. I don't understand why someone botting is any different than someone buying isk from CCP.

Both completely kill the competetive aspect of the game.


my question: how is people having more money a more unfair advantage than people having more time to play?


lol how many times has this question gone round and round in this thread?

Elyssa MacLeod
Posted - 2011.03.05 01:40:00 - [1568]
 

I find it funny that Riverini is making all this "noise" about botting ans such and is planning on writing and publishing a botting guide on the EVE 24 site. He apparently doesnt care about the issue as much as he does about making it worse.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.03.05 07:01:00 - [1569]
 

Originally by: Infinity Ziona

This is such a stupid thread



Fixt as apparently we were all duped for 50 pages

Nice advertising scheme Riverini

PC l0adletter
Posted - 2011.03.05 07:16:00 - [1570]
 

Originally by: CCP Sreegs

A) Every thread with people posting in it isn't a "threadnaught"
B) As I've said, and will be made crystal clear at FF when I can show timelines, this problem was being addressed long before this thread ever existed.
C) This problem was also being addressed long before anyone's blog wrote about it.
D) I did respond with the best response I could a while back and that really didn't change anything. I don't think it does any of us any good to continue wasting our time shouting into the wind. If people do not want to listen I can't force them to. Now that I have some solid dates it made sense to post again.


A) Was that the claim? That this is a threadnaught because people are posting in it?

I can't help but notice we're on 53 pages here. Also, the topic is: things CCP are screwing up, as opposed to, say, how excited we are about space barbie.

Is that, maybe, a threadnaught? Might even be in siege mode.

B-D) 82 bots were reported, 20 of them were banned for one day, and only after the article was published a week later were any of them banned for any longer. Are you seriously asking us to believe that was your plan all along, and the unfavorable news coverage had nothing to do with it? Seems a bit much, don't you think?

I'm glad that you, personally, care. I hope when you tell your bosses, hey, turns out 3,000 accounts are logged in 23/7 and farming missions/ore/rats/whatever around the clock, that they say, okay, time to lose 3,000 subscribers and PCUs.

I sure as hell won't be at fanfest, but I'll be very interested in whatever presentation/recording/whatever you wind up making. If it's followed thru on, it might even make me a fan again.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.05 08:23:00 - [1571]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 05/03/2011 08:31:05
Originally by: Sito Jaxa

As an alternative to expecting CCP to rebalance the game for your rifter you could just disengage and warp away from the supercap fleet.


Ah yes, the old "just quit the game if you don't want to adapt to mandated botting"-argument.

Didn't get any better the last 50 pages though. You might want to think of a better one.


Originally by: Arnakoz

i still contend that botting isn't the main stay of large alliances' income.


http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=losses

For Legion of xXDEATHXx it is.

All kills achieved through means that no human ever got caught with.
In an embarassing display of GM collusion/incompetence, they're still online. Another corp only had some of the bots banned after vuk himself had petitioned.

Time for IA to get involved tbh.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.03.05 09:07:00 - [1572]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus


Ah yes, the old "just quit the game if you don't want to adapt to mandated botting"-argument.



lol "if you dont like it, quit"
Such good marketting

I think we tipped the balance of him talking to us again...

Ver Selam
Posted - 2011.03.05 09:37:00 - [1573]
 

Why is this ****ing thread still kicking.

Sito Jaxa
Posted - 2011.03.05 13:50:00 - [1574]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 05/03/2011 08:31:05
Originally by: Sito Jaxa

As an alternative to expecting CCP to rebalance the game for your rifter you could just disengage and warp away from the supercap fleet.


Ah yes, the old "just quit the game if you don't want to adapt to mandated botting"-argument.

Didn't get any better the last 50 pages though. You might want to think of a better one.


Originally by: Arnakoz

i still contend that botting isn't the main stay of large alliances' income.


http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=losses

For Legion of xXDEATHXx it is.

All kills achieved through means that no human ever got caught with.
In an embarassing display of GM collusion/incompetence, they're still online. Another corp only had some of the bots banned after vuk himself had petitioned.

Time for IA to get involved tbh.


It is so easy to counter a bot supported alliance. You just have to know how to hit them where it hurts. Crying and waiting for ccp has got to be the least effective method at your disposal.

I'm not saying 'quit the game if you don't like it,' I'm advocating adapting your tactics to the situation. Maybe you need better strategists.


Arnakoz
Posted - 2011.03.05 16:23:00 - [1575]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus

http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=losses

For Legion of xXDEATHXx it is.

All kills achieved through means that no human ever got caught with.
In an embarassing display of GM collusion/incompetence, they're still online. Another corp only had some of the bots banned after vuk himself had petitioned.

Time for IA to get involved tbh.


eh, okay. i'll play the devil's advocate:
so they have lost a lot badgers. what exactly does that indicate? each kill i looked at had a different fit, even for the same characters. which if a bot was auto-fitting, it wouldn't randomly try different fits. it only indicates to me that they want to move items despite war, but not lose $$ freighters in the process.
that is exactly what i did MANUALLY when i was in atlas space being hounded by PL. we produced badgers and had a ton of them, and had a ton of stuff to move around; at first we would manually pilot stuff, but soon enough we didn't care about the limited risk compared to our sanity, and started just auto-piloting the trips. it may sound stupid, but we each only lost a load once out of every 10-20 trips. i personally never lost a single one. but i'm sure our kill boards looked about the same as these guys'.

as for the ravens, all this tells me is that they mass produce ravens and figure (income - loss) is greater than no income. so they rat regardless. or at the least its a group of noobs that think they are entitled and protected in their space.

lastly, some may bot, but based on the limited number of names that have more than a couple stupid losses i wouldn't say its many.
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=pilot_losses
which goes back to my point - even 10 to 16 bots doesn't stack up against the income from the moons and probable T2 bpos they own . its at best supplemental and does not amount free supercaps.

Batolemaeus
Caldari
Free-Space-Ranger
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2011.03.05 16:26:00 - [1576]
 

Edited by: Batolemaeus on 05/03/2011 16:32:15
Originally by: Arnakoz

so they have lost a lot badgers. what exactly does that indicate?


That their bots don't account for slingbubbles at the pos they safe up on if a hostile/neutral enters local, and that they definitely aren't operated by humans as they would never warp into something repeatedly anchored UNDER THEIR OWN EYES.
They're also active 23/7.

So yes, they're all bots.

Originally by: Sito Jaxa

I'm not saying 'quit the game if you don't like it,'


Actually, that's precisely what you're advocating. It's either break the EULA and stay competitive, or don't and be at a considerable strategic and economical disadvantage to the point of not being able to fight battles due to the lack of supercaps.

James Tiberius Kirk
Posted - 2011.03.05 17:32:00 - [1577]
 

Edited by: James Tiberius Kirk on 05/03/2011 17:36:41
Originally by: EN24News
Hai guyz! I found 60 bots, reported them all of them, here's indisputable proof

Originally by: CCP Sreegs
*we're doing everything we can*

Originally by: EN24News
All of them are active 23/7 again


Does not compute.

Devil's Call
Caldari
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.03.05 17:52:00 - [1578]
 


Nina Mercedez
Posted - 2011.03.05 17:56:00 - [1579]
 

Originally by: Devil's Call
STOP THE BOT! CANT STOP THE BOT!


I can almost be bothered to click that, and see what **** presents itself. Not quite, though.

Caldari Citizen20090217
Posted - 2011.03.05 17:58:00 - [1580]
 

Originally by: Devil's Call
STOP THE BOT! CANT STOP THE BOT!

I'll see your "stop the Rock" song and raise you this

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.03.05 20:13:00 - [1581]
 

seeing all these devs post about giving a proper answer at the fanfest, i hope it won't be some tiny thing.
cause if it's the case things will go worse.

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.03.05 20:43:00 - [1582]
 

Edited by: Kogh Ayon on 05/03/2011 20:49:14
Originally by: Arnakoz
Originally by: Batolemaeus

http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=losses

For Legion of xXDEATHXx it is.

All kills achieved through means that no human ever got caught with.
In an embarassing display of GM collusion/incompetence, they're still online. Another corp only had some of the bots banned after vuk himself had petitioned.

Time for IA to get involved tbh.


eh, okay. i'll play the devil's advocate:
so they have lost a lot badgers. what exactly does that indicate? each kill i looked at had a different fit, even for the same characters. which if a bot was auto-fitting, it wouldn't randomly try different fits. it only indicates to me that they want to move items despite war, but not lose $$ freighters in the process.
that is exactly what i did MANUALLY when i was in atlas space being hounded by PL. we produced badgers and had a ton of them, and had a ton of stuff to move around; at first we would manually pilot stuff, but soon enough we didn't care about the limited risk compared to our sanity, and started just auto-piloting the trips. it may sound stupid, but we each only lost a load once out of every 10-20 trips. i personally never lost a single one. but i'm sure our kill boards looked about the same as these guys'.

as for the ravens, all this tells me is that they mass produce ravens and figure (income - loss) is greater than no income. so they rat regardless. or at the least its a group of noobs that think they are entitled and protected in their space.

lastly, some may bot, but based on the limited number of names that have more than a couple stupid losses i wouldn't say its many.
http://rawr.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=86385&view=pilot_losses
which goes back to my point - even 10 to 16 bots doesn't stack up against the income from the moons and probable T2 bpos they own . its at best supplemental and does not amount free supercaps.


The badgers were run by a macro which will carry drone loots every 20-30 minutes back to station. It does not matter if they had the same fittings, the badgers were fitted and prepared

Janis Ezra
Posted - 2011.03.05 23:40:00 - [1583]
 

Edited by: Janis Ezra on 05/03/2011 23:41:26
Be happy CCP is doing nothing against bots.
With an active anti bot policy, all big alliances and corporations would be dead, they need 23/7 ratters/miners. And as you can see in various famous blogs about botting, there are more then you think. A single 23/7 ratter could restock a whole corp.
No alliances = no competition = no PvP = game dead.

Plus the fact that CCP likes the juicy income from bots. Adapt or die.

coolzero
Gallente
Posted - 2011.03.06 00:09:00 - [1584]
 

Originally by: Janis Ezra
Edited by: Janis Ezra on 05/03/2011 23:41:26
Be happy CCP is doing nothing against bots.
With an active anti bot policy, all big alliances and corporations would be dead, they need 23/7 ratters/miners. And as you can see in various famous blogs about botting, there are more then you think. A single 23/7 ratter could restock a whole corp.
No alliances = no competition = no PvP = game dead.

Plus the fact that CCP likes the juicy income from bots. Adapt or die.


infact i think they should be more happy when that happens and big allinaces will be gone..

their goal was to get more people into 0.0 but its pretty useless to do now if you a small alliance looking for a bit of a 0.0 space to make a living in but if your a honest alliance that wont support(and be sopported by) bots ....you WILL be steamrolled bij a mass ammount of titans by alliance(s) that get to buy all ships becuase they get mass ammounts of isk by bots.

as i see it when they get rid of bots 0.0 will become much more atractive to live in for smaller groups/alliances as they would have a fair chance to make a living there.


Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.03.06 01:17:00 - [1585]
 

In today's world the only real way to fight off bots is to create an automated detection system. However, if the bots or bot owners can figure out how the system is detecting them then they rewrite the bot to avoid being detected. So if CCP just creates a simple program to detect botters that is based on the capabilities of actual humans then the bot will be rewritten until it matches the definition of "human" according to the detection program. If the situation becomes that of simple adjustments of the program overtime then it becomes like a back and forth battle between botters and CCP.

However, the fun begins when CCP takes the time to make a well written program that prevents the bot from figuring out how it is being detected. Such a program could take a considerable time to write. They would have to make sure it is complex enough that there wouldn't be a way for a bot or human to detect any of the indivdual components of the program. If it becomes possible for the botter to detect individual parts then the botter will eventually be able to write a bot to avoid all of the individual parts and CCP would have lost the battle.

My theory is that CCP is currently working on a program like this and are taking their time to get it right the first time, otherwise they are back at square one. The moment they start doing mass permabans is the moment the battle begins to avoid detection. If the first shot doesn't work good enough to kill the majority of harmful bots and avoid detection from the botters then it would have been a complete failure.

Bots nowadays are far too easy to detect even by human standards. Now of course all such easily detectable bots have been tagged so they will be the first heads on the chopping blocks. Make no mistake CCP wants that RMT money as they could hire quite a few more workers with it. So, I am sure CCP is keeping the nitty gritty secret so the botters/rmt don't get a leg up in the coming battle. I heard a rumor a while back that CCP had a plan for getting rid of the bots and that they were going to start it in Feburary or at least have it completed sometime during that past month. If CCP does in fact have such a plan, then I think it would be prudent to start it up BEFORE fanfest. During fanfest such a plan could be leaked to a botter/rmt individual quite easily. If such a thing were to happen then you would lose the advantage in this fight as that individual would now know your current progress and be able to counter it. There is a good amount of money in it, so you can go ahead and assume that such a thing would happen.

If there isn't a plan, then I would go ahead and start making one. If you don't want to make a plan then at least create a basic detection program to get rid of the obvious bots and try to generally get the capabilities of individual bot accounts down to the capabilities of a human. However, there is a good amount of money in CCP countering bots and taking the flow of RMT money through PLEX so I think I can assume they have a plan in the works.

Well, we will see what happens come fanfest, hopefully its good news. If botting/rmt doesn't ever come up during fanfest then I will simply check to see it battlestar galactica is any good. ugh

Nina Mercedez
Posted - 2011.03.06 01:46:00 - [1586]
 

Originally by: Elzon1
My theory is that CCP is currently working on a program like this and are taking their time to get it right the first time, otherwise they are back at square one. The moment they start doing mass permabans is the moment the battle begins to avoid detection. If the first shot doesn't work good enough to kill the majority of harmful bots and avoid detection from the botters then it would have been a complete failure.


You don't like the theory that CCP really don't want to confront the issue, and would rather see the topic die, and the few whiners leave (or get fed up whining, and maybe even join the botters), whilst they continue to accumulate revenue from the botters?

Elzon1
Caldari
Shadow Boys Corp
Bloodbound.
Posted - 2011.03.06 03:09:00 - [1587]
 

Originally by: Nina Mercedez
You don't like the theory that CCP really don't want to confront the issue


I would like to see all bots banned. Seeing such obvious bots around and not really doing anything substantial against it would seem embarassing to most.

Originally by: Nina Mercedez
and would rather see the topic die, and the few whiners leave (or get fed up whining, and maybe even join the botters)


Absolutely not, I would like to see people play this game honestly and hopefully have some fun as the game develops more advanced and interesting mechanics. I guess its still a running joke that EVE is still in beta and I don't mind that being the case as long as CCP keeps pushing the boundaries of gaming.

Originally by: Nina Mercedez
whilst they continue to accumulate revenue from the botters?


If you mean CCP then you fail to realize that CCP would gain more money from the isk demand from RMT than they would from the subscription fees from the bots. Its only that people have found a way to get isk discounted as compared to PLEX so as to get more bang for their buck. When the majority of botting isk supply runs dry then those who want isk for money will have to find another supply, namely PLEX (money to CCP). When that happens the isk price of PLEX will drop due to the increase in PLEX supply. With the demand for PLEX being fairly fixed and the demand for isk being much greater the price should drop considerably. This phenomena was seen with the unholy rage incident. If CCP can manage to keep bots out of the game the new PLEX price should remain fairly low.

Of course, this lends the possibility that honest players may begin to see dollar signs and try to "honestly" do RMT. However, if the PLEX price drops low enough simply getting a crappy low paying job in real life would make you considerably more money per hour. As it stands a decent bot can make upwards of 20mil per hour, multiply that by 23 hours and thats 460mil... nothing special right? Wrong, thats only one bot and a decent comp setup could yield 10 bots. So with 10 bots thats 4.6 bil per day, not bad. Now take 4.6bil and divide that by 32mil, thats 143.75. Now take 143.75 and multiply that by 2 and that gives you 287.5. 287.5 is the number of dollars someone could earn with 10 bots running on a single comp in a single day. Multiply that by 30 and thats 8,625 USD per month. Income like that is hard to pass up even if its not your main source of income. This is why CCP would like RMT to stop so that they can have this money to devlop their game, not just make some nerd out there wealthy. It would be to CCP's benefit to be able to get rid of the botters, they just need to have a well cordinated plan and implement it. I can only hope that time is coming soon.

Sito Jaxa
Posted - 2011.03.06 03:59:00 - [1588]
 

Originally by: Batolemaeus
Edited by: Batolemaeus on 05/03/2011 16:32:15
Originally by: Sito Jaxa

I'm not saying 'quit the game if you don't like it,'


Actually, that's precisely what you're advocating. It's either break the EULA and stay competitive, or don't and be at a considerable strategic and economical disadvantage to the point of not being able to fight battles due to the lack of supercaps.


Where do you get that the only way to fight a bot alliance is to become a bot alliance? Learn2strategonize.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:09:00 - [1589]
 

^ Botters getting worried?

Ozwald Rens
Posted - 2011.03.06 04:13:00 - [1590]
 

Quote:


B-D) 82 bots were reported, 20 of them were banned for one day


I think that is the real issue at hand here. CCP does not seem to *want* to take proper action against bots. This is completely beyond me, and it will cost them financially faster than they'd think.

1) Anything less than a permanent ban for botting - for the botting account and related accounts - is laughable. Botting is not something that you do "by accident".

2) In the current state of botting, it is super easy for CCP to identify almost all botters quickly as there are clear and easy patterns to spot.


By the way: the real victims of botting are all players that are still stupid enough to pay for the game instead of botting themselves.


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