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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.02.21 20:53:00 - [1051]
 

Edited by: Othran on 21/02/2011 20:55:33
Edited by: Othran on 21/02/2011 20:53:49
Originally by: Sullen Skoung

Its lowsec? KILL THEM
lol



Go right ahead. Bot undocks, bot loses ship, bot autopilots off in pod.

10 minutes later when bot APs back in pod :

Bot undocks, bot loses ship, bot autopilots off in pod.

10 minutes later when bot APs back in pod :

Bot undocks, bot loses ship, bot autopilots off in pod.

Rinse/repeat until bored senseless and sec status trashed for a bunch of cheap T1 haulers with nothing in them but mission hauling items.

Don't try taking the **** about things which you have no idea about mmm? It only makes you look foolish.

Edit - and if anyone wants to be dumb enough to pod them go right ahead. Won't make any difference to the courier bot.

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.21 20:57:00 - [1052]
 

Originally by: Othran


Don't try taking the **** about things which you have no idea about mmm? It only makes you look foolish.


Dont remember trying to... I madea suggestion not claiming to be the god of all pvp.
learn to read before you speak. "It only makes you look foolish"


FeralShadow
NME1
Posted - 2011.02.21 21:04:00 - [1053]
 

Originally by: Siona Windweaver
Quote:
The problem I have with 'Botting is fine/understandable as long as PvE in EVE is so boring/****' argument is that it just puts off the solution (get better PvE in EVE) until later.

Sorry, but I'm not going to argue the 'immorality' of botting just as much as I'm not going to argue the 'understandable' aspect of botting. I don't care about your wounded sense of morality, nor do I care for your spurious justifications.

In the end the only thing that counts is this: botting is killing EVE.

It really is as simple as that. If you have to bot to, basically, participate, the game is broken. Fine. We know that. We've known that for a long long time. But right now, the, and lets be honest here, vast amount of botting, not just in the drone regions but everywhere, is killing the game.

Over the last year or so, perhaps even longer, botting has become endemic. This isn't a matter of discussion whether it is 5% or 15% of the PCU botting, as each bot causes massive damage to the game, it's player driven economy, not least to EVE brand value (We're now getting messages away from EVE-O or SHC like this: "EVE? Ohh, that game is botted to hell and back! I won't play against bots!").

And I don't want to wait until CCP finally gets around to reiterating on PvE, which we all know won't be until several expansions from now. I want CCP to do something NOW. They'll never be able to remove botting entirely, I'm not delusional about that, but right now CCP isn't doing nearly enough about botting, in fact, I don't see any signs that CCP is doing anything at all (one day ban? That's plain silly!).

I'll take any damage banning as many bots as possible will do to the EVE economy. Prices of minerals and T2 go sky high? Fine, that then is where they should be, as bot minerals and ice shouldn't have been in the game entirely. Toppling large alliances because they'll lose their bot income? Fine, very good in fact, they shouldn't have that Isk anyway. Mass permanent bans for bots and all accounts on that IP? Fine, I relish the thought. Mass permanent bans for everyone condoning botting or supporting it? Fine, I relish the thought. Is much as 1/3 of the PCU getting banned over botting or botting related things? Fine, I don't want those bots in my game anyway.

I don't mind any of that, I don't frankly care about protestations to the opposite of the possible effect that may or may not have on EVE. Because, in the end, botting, and the proliferation of botting is already killing EVE. I don't give a rat's arse about possible effects down the road if already the game is ****ed.

The only thing I see confirmed is that after years of this ****, Dr Eggnog still doesn't seem to have a clue about what is really going on in the EVE economy. But I'll gladly trade-in what little satisfaction that confirmation gives me if CCP starts permanently banning ****loads of bots and botting accounts, who are, let's face it, trivially easy to find, RIGHT NOW, and keep on doing so forever more.

It is their job, you know! Providing a level playing field in their game, as much devoid of cheaters as possible, to the customers paying them for their service! Why do CCP's customers consistently have to tell CCP to do their ****ing job already? What is it with these people?



A well thought out post from Bartholomeus Crane.


Hell yes. QFT.

Paul Mustaka Hekard
Posted - 2011.02.21 21:05:00 - [1054]
 

Some sort of response from CCP (I mean a credible one; not the platitudes given so far) would be great. It would also be nice to see one of their response that isn't in the form of yellow deletion notice.

All hail the mighty censor! Hire some fracking PR folks for Christ's sake. You guys are letting the conversation spiral into conspiracy-theory by not dealing with it directly. Unless you really do have some good legal reasons for not wanting to be on the record regarding botting......Evil or Very Mad

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.21 21:08:00 - [1055]
 

Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 21/02/2011 21:09:09
Originally by: Alexi Komanov
I wish CCP would just tighten their collective belts and remove all the bots. Yes I know it's not that easy, yes I know the bots will be back but at least it would give us a breather. Unfortunately, thats not going to happen, CCP just loves money too much and if they remove all the bots thats at least half of their subscriptions down the drain, leaving us back at pre-trinity levels of subscribers.

EVE is going to be choked out by bots, as playing the game becomes dependent on using a bot. That is when EVE will die, sure there will still be people playing but they will be 80% bots and CCP will still be making money so they just wont give a damn. EVE will be dead for the rest of us, to bad CCP won't care.



CCP could do one thing that wouldn't involve even having to investigate reports of botters to cut their numbers drastically.

End the PLEX system. Get rid of it. Replace it with an actual RMT store to buy, yes, game time, and yes, ISK, along with Incarna "dress up barbie" items they clearly plan to introduce. Take the PLEX item out of the game COMPLETELY, awarding equivalent store points to everyone holding them at the time of removal.

The bot problem exploded with the introduction of PLEX, which means the botters don't even have to leave the game to use their ill gotten ISK to fuel their operation. The PLEX item buyable from the in game market makes sustaining and growing a bot operation FAR too easy.

Not to mention, purchasing PLEX for ISK is a ripoff. Set the cost of ISK at such a level that it floats with the economy (ie, your $35 nets you a variable level of ISK, indexed to the in game economy).

CCP might as well suck it up and start actually selling ISK. ISK bought for PLEX is STILL coming from the botters, farmers, and RMT'ers, it's just laundering it through CCP, don't fool yourself into thinking it's not.


Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:04:00 - [1056]
 

Reading this thread and seeing my favorite game going down to drain really makes me sad.

It seems that all important opinnions, reasons and statements have been said on the posts above already and there is nothing much we can add. It would be good time to start hearing some response and real actions from CCP.

With real actions I mean something what will permanently remove most of the bots from this game - with and without of RMT connections.

To put lil more weight to this statement I am going to cancel the subscription of all my alt accounts in end of march 2011 if no real community approved actions towards the goals have been started.

I challenge other players in the community to do the same thing and leave only their mains up until this really ****** up situation will be properly fixed.

And finally a small note to CCP management: You really could make good PR with real anti bot campain if you just choose to play your cards well and are ready to fully commit into it.

Famble
Minmatar
Three's a Crowd
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:09:00 - [1057]
 

After reading some of this thread I decided to Google "eve bots". The results were quick and the first link landed me on a very professional site with a well described botting program. Reading it's features was extremely impressive and I won't lie... tempting. Anyway, I couldn't ever bring myself to do it for a lot of reasons but what I found most surprising was how quickly I just went from being breifly tempted to simply not wanting to play anymore.

I may not be very active in the community and certainly not in the know about current events but in 90 seconds of independent research I am now patently convinced that botting is definitely NOT a good thing for Eve!

I truly hope I'm around when they fix this problem :(

Hoya en Marland
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:39:00 - [1058]
 

Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Reading this thread and seeing my favorite game going down to drain really makes me sad.

Same here dude... all this is very disheartening to witness.

Perhaps it's not too late for CCP to finally awake and think about some serious and urgent actions before bad publicity starts breaking through. If people begin to recognize EVE as game ruled by bots, macros and RMT-based alliances then it's pretty much over. Honestly, I doubt that CCP has courage for cleaning up this mess.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:44:00 - [1059]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 21/02/2011 22:45:38
Originally by: Paul Mustaka Hekard
Some sort of response from CCP (I mean a credible one; not the platitudes given so far) would be great. It would also be nice to see one of their response that isn't in the form of yellow deletion notice.



That IS the response. Theyre trying to tell you they dont care. Especially after world of twilight comes out, they will continue to care less and less about this game

Originally by: Jack Gilligan
Edited by: Jack Gilligan on 21/02/2011 21:09:09
Originally by: Alexi Komanov
I wish CCP would just tighten their collective belts and remove all the bots. Yes I know it's not that easy, yes I know the bots will be back but at least it would give us a breather. Unfortunately, thats not going to happen, CCP just loves money too much and if they remove all the bots thats at least half of their subscriptions down the drain, leaving us back at pre-trinity levels of subscribers.



Sadly you do that and youll lose a huge chunk of your sub base as they go running, screaming "Korean MT farm"
Like I did from STO

Jimmy Jazz
Warp Asylum Ltd
Posted - 2011.02.21 22:50:00 - [1060]
 

Originally by: Hoya en Marland
If people begin to recognize EVE as game ruled by bots, macros and RMT-based alliances then it's pretty much over. Honestly, I doubt that CCP has courage for cleaning up this mess.


Thing is they (people who don't play the game) are already recognising this. I've got a number of friends, avid gamers and sci-fi fans, who won't touch EVE and one of the primary reasons is the reputation for bots being condoned. They didn't get this from me, but from reading about the game on independent sites.

CCP may well be making a rod for their own back with this, because none of those guys are going to touch any other CCP products (DUST, WOD) and I'd guess a fair few EVE players are now questioning whether they will.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:00:00 - [1061]
 

Edited by: Kengutsi Akira on 21/02/2011 23:03:12
Originally by: Jimmy Jazz
Originally by: Hoya en Marland
If people begin to recognize EVE as game ruled by bots, macros and RMT-based alliances then it's pretty much over. Honestly, I doubt that CCP has courage for cleaning up this mess.


Thing is they (people who don't play the game) are already recognising this. I've got a number of friends, avid gamers and sci-fi fans, who won't touch EVE and one of the primary reasons is the reputation for bots being condoned. They didn't get this from me, but from reading about the game on independent sites.

CCP may well be making a rod for their own back with this, because none of those guys are going to touch any other CCP products (DUST, WOD) and I'd guess a fair few EVE players are now questioning whether they will.


hold on ill get the post I put up earlier on this thought...

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira

Dont know that they would honestly. I play a lot of other MMOs and, honestly, EVE isnt widely known and if it is known, its reputation is that of Mos Eisley. The hive of scum and villany. Also, its an old game. Most likely people would chalk it up to the scum killing the game or that it died off because it was old.
I really dont think the rest would come out and if it did, most MMO players would be like "bots? so what every game has em. Theyre not a big deal" not knowing it is a big deal in THIS game cause of the single shard and the way the economy works.
Hell, the CEO of the company that put out Hellgate was snatched up days after that game and that company meteored into the ground, like nothing had happened lol. He works for Cryptic. Bill Roper. The man with the **** midas touch. Everything he touches turns to ****.
I mean its not like ppl kill an MMO an noone ever plays their games anymore, ****, SOE killed SWG (basically) and they got DCUO now, which doesnt look like its failed to sell copies. SADLY, most ppl are sheep in this industry and buy games for the name not the company. Look at the sales of STO when it came out vs what it is now. They had big opening sales but theres noone in the game now cause its crap. They bought into the name of the game, not the company.


FFS, with what they did to SWG, and SOE makes another game an ppl still buy it.

Ephemeron
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:34:00 - [1062]
 

It's interesting to note that botting really took off when CCP introduced PLEX - paying game money for monthly subscription.

Before that, a person with 20 bots would have to spend $300 a month and risk losing real money when there are bans or disruptions in bot operations.

Now ANYONE with enough hardware can run 20 bots with $0 subscription costs. The bots pay for themselves.

It is precisely this mechanic that caused botting to grow geometrically, restrained only by the hardware limits to run multiple accounts. And they have absolutely no risk of losing money when getting banned. Banning doesn't stop them at all.

Every time you sell a PLEX in game, you are sponsoring botting.

Gimpslayer
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:45:00 - [1063]
 

Do the Right Thing.

So easy to say. So hard to do.

Too bad for us gamers that CCP is a spineless jellyfish. Clearly, they have known about this. Clearly, no position yay/nay is adopted by them. Erego, SPINELESS JELLYFISH THEY BE.


I'm gonna vote with my pocketbook, because $ is the only thing these SPINELESS JELLYFISH understand.

Botters suck privacy parts, both in game and out.


Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.21 23:49:00 - [1064]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
It's interesting to note that botting really took off when CCP introduced PLEX - paying game money for monthly subscription.

Before that, a person with 20 bots would have to spend $300 a month and risk losing real money when there are bans or disruptions in bot operations.

Now ANYONE with enough hardware can run 20 bots with $0 subscription costs. The bots pay for themselves.

It is precisely this mechanic that caused botting to grow geometrically, restrained only by the hardware limits to run multiple accounts. And they have absolutely no risk of losing money when getting banned. Banning doesn't stop them at all.

Every time you sell a PLEX in game, you are sponsoring botting.


When did they introduce plex? I started playing in 2006-7 and you could buy GTCs with Isk then but the botting issue was nowhere near as bad as it is now...

Jack Gilligan
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.02.22 00:13:00 - [1065]
 

Originally by: Famble
After reading some of this thread I decided to Google "eve bots". The results were quick and the first link landed me on a very professional site with a well described botting program. Reading it's features was extremely impressive and I won't lie... tempting. Anyway, I couldn't ever bring myself to do it for a lot of reasons but what I found most surprising was how quickly I just went from being breifly tempted to simply not wanting to play anymore.

I may not be very active in the community and certainly not in the know about current events but in 90 seconds of independent research I am now patently convinced that botting is definitely NOT a good thing for Eve!

I truly hope I'm around when they fix this problem :(


Disgusting isn't it? There are seemingly as many sites selling bots as there are ISK. And a 10 minute search on the subject shows you that bots exist that can run multiple clients on a single PC, can mine, rat, move loot to POSs or stations, that can properly chain belts, you name it, there is a bot that will automate it.

What I don't understand is that no action is taken against them. To work like they do they HAVE to sniff the client. Blizzard successfully sued WoWGlider, the most popular WoW bot into oblivion. Or is it that CCP is willing to tolerate bots because the demand for PLEXs stimulates supply? As I've said, the worst thing you can do as a player right now if you oppose bots is to buy PLEX. You are victimizing yourself twice, first your PLEX is getting you botted ISK, and the stuff you buy with that ISK is inflated in price because of the supply of ISK dumped on the market by the bots.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.22 00:21:00 - [1066]
 

Originally by: Sullen Skoung
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 21/02/2011 20:11:34
Edited by: Sullen Skoung on 21/02/2011 19:48:38
Originally by: Consortium Agent


So, instead of simply complaining about the problem, I suggest we take action. Hence why I wrote reportbots.com.


Wouldnt it be ironic as hell if you got banned for interrupting gameplay or something stupid like that?

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

4. put pressure on CCP to take action against bots or face massive negative media fallout.



Funny thing about that, as has already been said, Bots are in EVERY MMO.
Most MMOs however dont have the player run economy (hah) that we do so bots arent an issue, and so noone cares about them. So unless youre already in this game, and know the issue is a problem, then reading about how EVE is bot riddled isnt gonna matter.
On the other hand, also, as previously stated, making the issue more well known will drive people that would be interested in the game away.
"Yes, but that will put pressure on CCP"
Yes, but that will damage EVE in the process. Google the term "Pyrrhic victory"
Better yet; here:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Pyrrhic victory
Quote:
–noun
a victory or goal achieved at too great a cost.

Originally by: Alexi Komanov
Unfortunately, thats not going to happen, CCP just loves money too much


God forbid they act like a corporation


Game developers are supposed to be artists first, business second.

If you put the art as a second tier priority, you are a failure as a human.

At one point CCP understood this, which is how they got my loyalty.

These days, though...

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.22 00:25:00 - [1067]
 

What MMO company prioritizes Art > money?
Blizzard? Wait no...

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.22 00:37:00 - [1068]
 

Edited by: Kuronaga on 22/02/2011 00:54:15
No one anymore, it seems.


Seriously I wish they would either fix botting or make it legal, I'm sick of playing at a disadvantage.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.22 01:24:00 - [1069]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 22/02/2011 00:54:15
No one anymore, it seems.



Not trying to be a **** but given the only example I put forth was Blizzard and you said "not anymore" I have to ask "When DID Blizzard value art over money?"

Maybe their first ever game or something but even then, Im betting you there was a price tag attached to it

Kireiina
Posted - 2011.02.22 01:47:00 - [1070]
 

Edited by: Kireiina on 22/02/2011 01:48:41
Botting is destroying any value in actually playing this game, and CCP are noticeable only in their lack of any effort or concern about the problem.

Given they have access to better information I'd say they realize the majority of their much loved player count are alts or bots and they don't want to rock the boat before they can finish using Eve revenue to fund WoD and Dust development. Not to mention doing anything on Eve, like discouraging botting, would take developers away from the titles with a future.


Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.22 02:13:00 - [1071]
 

Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 22/02/2011 00:54:15
No one anymore, it seems.



Not trying to be a **** but given the only example I put forth was Blizzard and you said "not anymore" I have to ask "When DID Blizzard value art over money?"

Maybe their first ever game or something but even then, Im betting you there was a price tag attached to it


I didnt say not anymore, I said no one anymore. Blizzard has never shown me any sterling example of artistic brilliance so I never opted to argue for their sake.

Early CCP did, and despite them making stupid decisions along the way they did and still do actually listen to their players far more then other MMORPG companies do.

For a long time it seemed like CCP didn't even give a damn about subscriber rate. It feels like a lot of that has changed lately.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.22 02:30:00 - [1072]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga
Originally by: Kengutsi Akira
Originally by: Kuronaga
Edited by: Kuronaga on 22/02/2011 00:54:15
No one anymore, it seems.



Not trying to be a **** but given the only example I put forth was Blizzard and you said "not anymore" I have to ask "When DID Blizzard value art over money?"

Maybe their first ever game or something but even then, Im betting you there was a price tag attached to it


I didnt say not anymore, I said no one anymore. Blizzard has never shown me any sterling example of artistic brilliance so I never opted to argue for their sake.




yah I misread that. Sorry, I have a migrane

Quote:

Early CCP did, and despite them making stupid decisions along the way they did and still do actually listen to their players far more then other MMORPG companies do.

For a long time it seemed like CCP didn't even give a damn about subscriber rate. It feels like a lot of that has changed lately.


Except for this issue it seems

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.02.22 03:27:00 - [1073]
 

Most precisely.

It's making me re-think a lot of what I think of this company.

It's really depressing, this has been my favorite development studio for a long time, for pretty much all of the reasons that contradict this thread.

Wish I knew what happened.

Kengutsi Akira
Posted - 2011.02.22 05:04:00 - [1074]
 

Originally by: Kuronaga

Wish I knew what happened.


the want of this:

$

AKA greed

Miep Miep
Posted - 2011.02.22 07:40:00 - [1075]
 

so... still no post from cpp?
speaking of the bot problem -> 3 day ban
botting- > 1 day ban. lol

Sullen Skoung
Posted - 2011.02.22 08:07:00 - [1076]
 

Originally by: Miep Miep
so... still no post from cpp?
speaking of the bot problem -> 3 day ban
botting- > 1 day ban. lol


thats about it sadly

Von Hinten
Posted - 2011.02.22 08:31:00 - [1077]
 

Funny:

most bots scan local for words like "bot" "botter" "macro" all 5-10 minutes. Type this to a local chat where you suppose botters and watch 10 ppl log out 5mins later synchron:p
....

and log in 30min later synchron too :(

Shoopa Whoopa
Posted - 2011.02.22 09:04:00 - [1078]
 

Originally by: Ephemeron
Every time you sell a PLEX in game, you are sponsoring botting.


Basicly, yeah.

I suppose all the PLEX sellers won't be too happy to learn that 330M they get for $15 allows a single bot to earn around 30 Billion ISK per month.
Basicly, earning 100 ($1500) times as much for nothing.

I guess Interpol would also like to hear about people RMTing for an (tax fraudulent) income of (possibly much) more than $1000 per month.

Umega
Solis Mensa
Posted - 2011.02.22 09:15:00 - [1079]
 

Originally by: Von Hinten
Funny:

most bots scan local for words like "bot" "botter" "macro" all 5-10 minutes. Type this to a local chat where you suppose botters and watch 10 ppl log out 5mins later synchron:p
....

and log in 30min later synchron too :(


I've noticed this too.

If CCP isn't going to take swifter, more concrete standards on the issue.. they basicly are telling us, they want the cash bot subs produce for the company. Reguardless that it ****s over the entire economy of EVE, which is the foundation of this game. Reguardless if it ****s over nullsec into an arms race of cycling top 3 alliances.. which really does create a large stignant mass of space that borders on boredom.

Until CCP hands over the tools to us to handle the problem ourselves.. like delayed local in null, and a growing stiff mining/bounty taxes in NPC corps to eventually force them into wardec'able corps in highsec..

We should do our part til then. Instead of mentally fap'ing off to our beautiful posting and arguing about what CCP should do...

Flood CCP with legit petitions first off.

Secondly, if I knew how.. I'd make a site. Solely dedicated to plastering the names of suspected and confirmed macros for all to see.. and the main characters that control them. Lets expose who is doing what.. Expose which of the major alliances, and just how much they are using bots to fuel their war machines. Smear them through the mud.. its drama.. drama creates interest, interest that note-worthy blogs and interweb articles pick up on and report. Then..

Like 18 months..

You can expect CCP to act swiftly and do something about it.

Til then.. best pray EVE doesn't go sour like every single MMO that has ignored severe bot problems.. and EVE's bot problems are even more serious to its envirnoment than the other games...

This is not a player driven economy because of bots.

Nullsec is not what it could be.. because bots fuel and create the super-cap fleets that exist today. Imagine.. Imagine the effects on supers if bot miners/ratters were entirely removed.. the 'bring supers or go home' problem solved, without actually nerfing the ships. Because losing one would end up hurting a whole, whole lot more than it does now.

Von Hinten
Posted - 2011.02.22 09:22:00 - [1080]
 

Edited by: Von Hinten on 22/02/2011 09:23:42
Originally by: Umega
Originally by: Von Hinten
Funny:

most bots scan local for words like "bot" "botter" "macro" all 5-10 minutes. Type this to a local chat where you suppose botters and watch 10 ppl log out 5mins later synchron:p
....

and log in 30min later synchron too :(


I've noticed this too.

If CCP isn't going to take swifter, more concrete standards on the issue.. they basicly are telling us, they want the cash bot subs produce for the company. Reguardless that it ****s over the entire economy of EVE, which is the foundation of this game. Reguardless if it ****s over nullsec into an arms race of cycling top 3 alliances.. which really does create a large stignant mass of space that borders on boredom.

Until CCP hands over the tools to us to handle the problem ourselves.. like delayed local in null, and a growing stiff mining/bounty taxes in NPC corps to eventually force them into wardec'able corps in highsec..

We should do our part til then. Instead of mentally fap'ing off to our beautiful posting and arguing about what CCP should do...

Flood CCP with legit petitions first off.

Secondly, if I knew how.. I'd make a site. Solely dedicated to plastering the names of suspected and confirmed macros for all to see.. and the main characters that control them. Lets expose who is doing what.. Expose which of the major alliances, and just how much they are using bots to fuel their war machines. Smear them through the mud.. its drama.. drama creates interest, interest that note-worthy blogs and interweb articles pick up on and report. Then..

Like 18 months..

You can expect CCP to act swiftly and do something about it.

Til then.. best pray EVE doesn't go sour like every single MMO that has ignored severe bot problems.. and EVE's bot problems are even more serious to its envirnoment than the other games...

This is not a player driven economy because of bots.

Nullsec is not what it could be.. because bots fuel and create the super-cap fleets that exist today. Imagine.. Imagine the effects on supers if bot miners/ratters were entirely removed.. the 'bring supers or go home' problem solved, without actually nerfing the ships. Because losing one would end up hurting a whole, whole lot more than it does now.


Did that, got answer telling me that thex have not the ressources to investigate. gave them 300 botters + links to sites where corps adtvertises for bot freindly 0.0.

oh, and if you post name of botters you will get banned for harrassment, sad, but true.


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